Which Statement Is More True?
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The system makes the players.....
The players make the system.....
That seems to be what the problem is in Cleveland
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The system makes the players.....
The players make the system.....
That seems to be what the problem is in Cleveland
The system makes the players.....
The players make the system.....
That seems to be what the problem is in Cleveland
It depends on the system. The lesser talented players can certainly be labeled as a product of the system. However there are plenty of players that fit all systems. In Colt McCoy's case I'd say he's a "product of the system" because his intangibles aren't all that great. The kid is a gamer but in my opinion it stops there. He's suited for the WCO but even then he's not the ideal candidate.
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Mccoy slings wounded ducks.. where is andrew luck???
Mccoys arm is poop... after seeing his site growing up colt I now question his sexuality
Mccoy slings wounded ducks.. where is andrew luck???
Mccoys arm is poop... after seeing his site growing up colt I now question his sexuality
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
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Mccoy slings wounded ducks.. where is andrew luck???
Mccoys arm is poop... after seeing his site growing up colt I now question his sexuality
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
I'll tell you right now with 2 wins we are already out of contention for Andrew Luck... Fact.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
I'll tell you right now with 2 wins we are already out of contention for Andrew Luck... Fact.
I'll tell you right now with 2 wins we are already out of contention for Andrew Luck... Fact.
actually we arent.. We have our pick and falcons pick. Alanta hasnt looked too good either. We will trade up with Minesota and take him
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Mccoy slings wounded ducks.. where is andrew luck???
Mccoys arm is poop... after seeing his site growing up colt I now question his sexuality
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
How do you know Luck will do what you are saying?
Jeff George had balls, and arm, to throw it anywhere at anytime, and he never did crap in the NFL.
It takes the receivers willing and able to catch the ball, just as much as it takes the qb to throw it. WE HAVE A QB WILLING TO THROW IT,BUT OUR RECEIVERS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Jeff george was a prick. Had all the talent in the world but was a head case.
Andrew luck is a good kid, good arm and hasn't come out with a gay book and website, growing up luck yet
Jeff george was a prick. Had all the talent in the world but was a head case.
Andrew luck is a good kid, good arm and hasn't come out with a gay book and website, growing up luck yet
Just because he's a good kid, good arm.........blah blah blah, doesnt' mean hes' the next Joe Montana. He cold be the next Andre Ware
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People thought Ryan Leaf would be a good NFL QB. not too mention Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Dan McGuire..............
Just because EVERYONE thinks you are the stuff doesn't mean diddly
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You can't compare andrew luck with any of those jokers.
I can tell u andrew luck has a much better chance of being a franchise qb, than charlie frye, spurgynn wynn, brady quinn or colt mccoy..
There aren't no sure things when drafting, but he is as close as one in years
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man drafting any player is such a crap shoot. a lot of these guys were sure things: joey harrington, heath shuler, todd marinovich, kijhana carter, blair thomas.....on and on. then you get the guys who are 6th rounders and turn out to be hall of fame. isn't there an adam curry thread goin on right now?
it's just too bad the browns have made more than their fair share of bad picks recently.
if someone could do this shit and be dead on everytime, he'd be the richest dude in america.
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I'm not ready to blame our WR's. If you watch a guys like Aaron Rodgers and Brady, watch them sometimes throw passes up letting the WR's go to make a catch, or make a play. I think Colt is gun shy right now. He is not showing me much of anything good to be honest. It's like he going backward and not forward. I don't think he has the arm strength either and I don't think he is tall enough for the NFL. I hope and pray he proves me wrong, I really do, I want to see a QB do well here.
But on the other hand I agree with what was said, our play calling doesn't look like a WCO.. Not even close. I don't see fast slants... Shoot did we even run ONE screen play? I have seen some great screens ran this year, but not from us. We have two dynamic TE's in Watson and Moore.. why aren't we going to them more. Our play calling and offensive scheme SUCKS... Shurmur is calling horrible games IMO. And where is Hillis.. Why isn't he running outside the tackles more or getting passes out in the flats.. (I do wish he would pick his feet up more and he wouldn't get tripped up like he does).
I wanted to see a different team, and we are not..
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
For once I agree with you. I want someone who isn't going to make a crazy drive to come back in the 4th quarter I want a guy who is going to play the whole game. I want someone who is going to throw accurate passes to covered recievers and put it where only they can get it, not someone who will only throw it there first read if they are 10 yards wide open.
Might as well suck for luck.
How do you know Luck will do what you are saying?
Jeff George had balls, and arm, to throw it anywhere at anytime, and he never did crap in the NFL.
It takes the receivers willing and able to catch the ball, just as much as it takes the qb to throw it. WE HAVE A QB WILLING TO THROW IT,BUT OUR RECEIVERS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE A QB WILLING TO THROW IT,BUT OUR RECEIVERS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i strongly disagree...i see a QB that has checked down to the RB before he finishes a 3 step drop. he doesn't even look at the WR's unless its a called slip screen....we could have hall of famers on the outside and they wouldn't get the ball thrown their way.
furthermore he never steps up in the pocket...simply scrambles outside if he hasn't already dumped the ball off for hardesty to drop.
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I still say draft a WR, OL, and DL before anything else. Colt hasn't looked great this year but he has been better than what we have dealt with for the past 11 years. We still have many holes to fill, yet we are tied for 2nd in the division at 2-2. Don't forget that this same Titans team destroyed the Ravens too. It's amazing how last week everyone is on the playoff bandwagon and now after today's loss everyone thinks we are the worst team in the league! Quit overreacting! We are only a 7 or 8 win team at best. We are rebuilding with new coaches, offensive schemes, defensive schemes, and a ton of young players. We have signed a few young guys long term and will continue to do so going forward. If Heckert continues to draft well the Browns will be fine. Just stop expecting results over night.
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Geez what happened? Are we out of koolaid? Cmon guys its too early to say they suck!! They have too suck longer than this before you can say they suck!! Its not too late, we can still make the playoffs!!!!!
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