Problem Is Not Receivers It's Mccoy
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My concern is this. I see a QB like Andy Dalton, and he is looking better than McCoy. Sorry. But he does look better IMO. Colt seems to have the jitters in the pocket. If he's not rolling out, he's not comfortable in a pocket.
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Well, I've been perusing this board since last year and since you're all freaking out I figured I'd step in and offer an outside opinion. I'm a Longhorn alum, so obviously I'm a Colt fan. So yes, I will be a bit biased, but I think overall I'm giving you a fair assessment.
Face facts. You're the Browns. Your team is awful and has been awful for a LONG time. Great fans. Great atmosphere there. Team stinks. The Browns aren't going to magically become the Green Bay Packers overnight. The Browns have been battling systemic organizational issues for years. It isn't just the coaches or the players. It goes all the way to the top. Thankfully, you guys started turning that around with Holmgren. Someone who actually knows what he's doing. Of course, Holmgren would tell you the same thing. You don't build a consistent, winning football team in a year or two. It just doesn't happen. Everything has to change from the coaching staff, to the personnel, to the front office, etc.
So, let's review what we're looking at here with the 2011 Browns. You've got a new coach. You've got a new system. You had a lot less time to implement that system over the off-season because of the lockout. While other squads already knew the plays, the assignments, etc., your team didn't. They have to get up to speed. It's the WCO, too. Not some simplified nonsense. It's a system that requires timing more than anything and you get timing through lots and lots of practice and repetition. Things your players didn't get enough of because of the lockout. So it's going to be a process getting them to where they need to be. You aren't going to have overnight success. It just won't happen.
Now, personnel. Wow. Where to start? Honestly, your best receiver is a TE. Watson is legit. Everyone else out there? Definitely suspect. Even Massaquoi. I wouldn't want any other receiver on your team as a starter. They lack speed, quicks, and from what I've seen they're lazy a lot of the time on their routes. Oh, and never pass the ball to Hardesty again. Thanks.
I saw someone in this thread mention that the Browns have one of the best O-lines in football. Wow, again. Whatever that guy is smoking, we all need some. Forget handling assignments for a moment. The Browns' O-line is a comedy of errors through four games this year. How many false start penalties do they have? It isn't just one or two guys, either. It's the entire line. It's like they take turns screwing up. When it actually comes down to handling their assignments and getting their guy blocked, that doesn't always work out so well either. Colt is often running for his life back there. The reason the Browns don't have the highest sacks given up total in the NFL right now is because Colt is so mobile and able to escape pressure. Imagine a Peyton Manning standing back there trying to play pure pocket-passer football. He'd be lucky to have all his appendages attached after four games.
Your running game last year under Hillis was pretty solid. However, Hillis fans stupidly voted him up and now he's suffering under the Madden Curse like every player before him that's had the cover. Hardesty is an abject failure so far. Something has to change here.
Now, on to your defense. Holy hell. I'm a fan of Haden and Ward. Thought they were great additions. Still, they ain't there yet. It's one thing to be out of position a bit or get beat by a receiver every now and then, but Jesus H. Christ. You had Titans receivers wide open all day. I'm talking like 20-30 yards wide open. And who was that Browns DB that decided it'd be better to queef on Jared Cook while he was rumbling down the sidelines instead of actually pushing him out of bounds? He should have been fired before the game was even over. Atrocious.
So, let's recap. Your O-line, receivers, running game, and defense are all sub-par. The entire team is running a new system under a new coach with less than ample time during the off-season to learn what they need to. Yet, according to some of you football geniuses, it's the QB who is mainly to blame for your problems? Seriously, Clark?
Yeah, Colt isn't where he needs to be yet. He's a second year guy who has had to switch systems in a short amount of time. He's going to have rough spots. All new QBs to the NFL do. However, some of those QBs have the pieces around them to make the transition easier. See: Sanchez in New York. See: Rodgers in Green Bay (also getting to sit behind Favre for years probably helped, too). Colt doesn't have that luxury. He's on a really bad team and he's desperately trying to make plays while also not screwing up and putting his team in a hole. That's tough on any QB, especially a 2nd year guy.
My suggestion would be to hold your water and accept that the Browns are a year or three away from being a seriously good team. If you want instant gratification, the NFL ain't for you. Unfortunately, that seems like what the Browns have been chasing after for a long time. We're doing badly, blame the QB, get a new one. Damnit, we're still doing badly! Blame the QB, get a new one! What in the hell hootinany is this?! We're still doing badly?! Blame the QB, get a new one goddamnit!!! Oh, and switch coaches a time or three in that period while we're at it.
That is never going to get you a team that wins year in and year out, consistently gets to the playoffs, and potentially brings you home a title. You finally got a guy in Holmgren who can bring some professionalism and stability to your organization. Chill, let the team develop, and enjoy the wins when they come. Flying off the handle when your team, as bad as it is, is still tied for 1st place in the division is asinine and childish.
Well, I've been perusing this board since last year and since you're all freaking out I figured I'd step in and offer an outside opinion. I'm a Longhorn alum, so obviously I'm a Colt fan. So yes, I will be a bit biased, but I think overall I'm giving you a fair assessment.
Face facts. You're the Browns. Your team is awful and has been awful for a LONG time. Great fans. Great atmosphere there. Team stinks. The Browns aren't going to magically become the Green Bay Packers overnight. The Browns have been battling systemic organizational issues for years. It isn't just the coaches or the players. It goes all the way to the top. Thankfully, you guys started turning that around with Holmgren. Someone who actually knows what he's doing. Of course, Holmgren would tell you the same thing. You don't build a consistent, winning football team in a year or two. It just doesn't happen. Everything has to change from the coaching staff, to the personnel, to the front office, etc.
So, let's review what we're looking at here with the 2011 Browns. You've got a new coach. You've got a new system. You had a lot less time to implement that system over the off-season because of the lockout. While other squads already knew the plays, the assignments, etc., your team didn't. They have to get up to speed. It's the WCO, too. Not some simplified nonsense. It's a system that requires timing more than anything and you get timing through lots and lots of practice and repetition. Things your players didn't get enough of because of the lockout. So it's going to be a process getting them to where they need to be. You aren't going to have overnight success. It just won't happen.
Now, personnel. Wow. Where to start? Honestly, your best receiver is a TE. Watson is legit. Everyone else out there? Definitely suspect. Even Massaquoi. I wouldn't want any other receiver on your team as a starter. They lack speed, quicks, and from what I've seen they're lazy a lot of the time on their routes. Oh, and never pass the ball to Hardesty again. Thanks.
I saw someone in this thread mention that the Browns have one of the best O-lines in football. Wow, again. Whatever that guy is smoking, we all need some. Forget handling assignments for a moment. The Browns' O-line is a comedy of errors through four games this year. How many false start penalties do they have? It isn't just one or two guys, either. It's the entire line. It's like they take turns screwing up. When it actually comes down to handling their assignments and getting their guy blocked, that doesn't always work out so well either. Colt is often running for his life back there. The reason the Browns don't have the highest sacks given up total in the NFL right now is because Colt is so mobile and able to escape pressure. Imagine a Peyton Manning standing back there trying to play pure pocket-passer football. He'd be lucky to have all his appendages attached after four games.
Your running game last year under Hillis was pretty solid. However, Hillis fans stupidly voted him up and now he's suffering under the Madden Curse like every player before him that's had the cover. Hardesty is an abject failure so far. Something has to change here.
Now, on to your defense. Holy hell. I'm a fan of Haden and Ward. Thought they were great additions. Still, they ain't there yet. It's one thing to be out of position a bit or get beat by a receiver every now and then, but Jesus H. Christ. You had Titans receivers wide open all day. I'm talking like 20-30 yards wide open. And who was that Browns DB that decided it'd be better to queef on Jared Cook while he was rumbling down the sidelines instead of actually pushing him out of bounds? He should have been fired before the game was even over. Atrocious.
So, let's recap. Your O-line, receivers, running game, and defense are all sub-par. The entire team is running a new system under a new coach with less than ample time during the off-season to learn what they need to. Yet, according to some of you football geniuses, it's the QB who is mainly to blame for your problems? Seriously, Clark?
Yeah, Colt isn't where he needs to be yet. He's a second year guy who has had to switch systems in a short amount of time. He's going to have rough spots. All new QBs to the NFL do. However, some of those QBs have the pieces around them to make the transition easier. See: Sanchez in New York. See: Rodgers in Green Bay (also getting to sit behind Favre for years probably helped, too). Colt doesn't have that luxury. He's on a really bad team and he's desperately trying to make plays while also not screwing up and putting his team in a hole. That's tough on any QB, especially a 2nd year guy.
My suggestion would be to hold your water and accept that the Browns are a year or three away from being a seriously good team. If you want instant gratification, the NFL ain't for you. Unfortunately, that seems like what the Browns have been chasing after for a long time. We're doing badly, blame the QB, get a new one. Damnit, we're still doing badly! Blame the QB, get a new one! What in the hell hootinany is this?! We're still doing badly?! Blame the QB, get a new one goddamnit!!! Oh, and switch coaches a time or three in that period while we're at it.
That is never going to get you a team that wins year in and year out, consistently gets to the playoffs, and potentially brings you home a title. You finally got a guy in Holmgren who can bring some professionalism and stability to your organization. Chill, let the team develop, and enjoy the wins when they come. Flying off the handle when your team, as bad as it is, is still tied for 1st place in the division is asinine and childish.
I agree with most of what you say, but you being a Colt homer..you just put almost all the blame on everyone else but Colt
I will say this, I never once have ever said anything about our front ofice or our coach, no I didnt understand the hiring, but not a whole lot of people knew who Tressal was either when he too over Ohio State
The people who hammer Colt on this site, they hammer him because he lacks what it taes to be a great QB in the NFL... No Arm, undersized, does not read defense as well as we thought. Look if you want a sub-par/ok QB then Colt is your guy. Trust me I wish Colt had everything that makes a great QB.
I do diss agree about our Defense, I think our Defense is one bad ass linebacker away from being a top 5 Defense, and another CB
O-line, nobody said one of the best in football this year, last year with Steinach Top 5 O-line
WR- Little will be a beast in the NFL, but yes we need a Megatron on our team, but dosnt everybody???
RB- They need to fix Hillis crap, and run a two back system, Hardesty dropping the ball, everybody does, just not 5 times in a game
Recap- Browns are not good, I think people knew that, but saw our weak schedule and thought we could make a run, if all the pieces fell into place. Problem with weak schedule not as weak as eveyone thought.
That being said...I really think I am going to end up enjoying the past baseball season with the tribe than this years Browns
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My concern is this. I see a QB like Andy Dalton, and he is looking better than McCoy. Sorry. But he does look better IMO. Colt seems to have the jitters in the pocket. If he's not rolling out, he's not comfortable in a pocket.
My concern is this. I see a QB like Andy Dalton, and he is looking better than McCoy. Sorry. But he does look better IMO. Colt seems to have the jitters in the pocket. If he's not rolling out, he's not comfortable in a pocket.
I've watched every one of your games, this season (which hasn't been easy, living in San Marcos, Texas) and I don't think Colt looks jittery in the pocket. He looked pretty comfortable orchestrating that come back drive that ended with an end-zone catch by Massaquoi. Honestly, the problem with this team is not McCoy, and its a shame that so many fans on this board are throwing him under the bus.
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My concern is this. I see a QB like Andy Dalton, and he is looking better than McCoy. Sorry. But he does look better IMO. Colt seems to have the jitters in the pocket. If he's not rolling out, he's not comfortable in a pocket.
I've watched every one of your games, this season (which hasn't been easy, living in San Marcos, Texas) and I don't think Colt looks jittery in the pocket. He looked pretty comfortable orchestrating that come back drive that ended with an end-zone catch by Massaquoi. Honestly, the problem with this team is not McCoy, and its a shame that so many fans on this board are throwing him under the bus.
I've watched every one of your games, this season (which hasn't been easy, living in San Marcos, Texas) and I don't think Colt looks jittery in the pocket. He looked pretty comfortable orchestrating that come back drive that ended with an end-zone catch by Massaquoi. Honestly, the problem with this team is not McCoy, and its a shame that so many fans on this board are throwing him under the bus.
Colt is definitely looking uncomfortable and jumpy in the pocket, he has been overlooking reads and scans right past open targets to hit his primary which i do not like..
As tom brady once said, primary target? My primary target is the guy that is open..
Im not blaming colt here as there is all kinds of issues from the O-line to slow unaware WRs and RBs and TEs that cant hold on to the ball right down to poor personnel decisions and no vertical passing nor screens planned in by the coach.
Shurmur does not seem to know what this team does best but the fans do..
Its simple give the ball to hillis, pass the ball to hillis, give the ball to hillis, pass the ball "vertically" to moore and watch what happens..
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Well, I've been perusing this board since last year and since you're all freaking out I figured I'd step in and offer an outside opinion. I'm a Longhorn alum, so obviously I'm a Colt fan. So yes, I will be a bit biased, but I think overall I'm giving you a fair assessment.
Face facts. You're the Browns. Your team is awful and has been awful for a LONG time. Great fans. Great atmosphere there. Team stinks. The Browns aren't going to magically become the Green Bay Packers overnight. The Browns have been battling systemic organizational issues for years. It isn't just the coaches or the players. It goes all the way to the top. Thankfully, you guys started turning that around with Holmgren. Someone who actually knows what he's doing. Of course, Holmgren would tell you the same thing. You don't build a consistent, winning football team in a year or two. It just doesn't happen. Everything has to change from the coaching staff, to the personnel, to the front office, etc.
So, let's review what we're looking at here with the 2011 Browns. You've got a new coach. You've got a new system. You had a lot less time to implement that system over the off-season because of the lockout. While other squads already knew the plays, the assignments, etc., your team didn't. They have to get up to speed. It's the WCO, too. Not some simplified nonsense. It's a system that requires timing more than anything and you get timing through lots and lots of practice and repetition. Things your players didn't get enough of because of the lockout. So it's going to be a process getting them to where they need to be. You aren't going to have overnight success. It just won't happen.
Now, personnel. Wow. Where to start? Honestly, your best receiver is a TE. Watson is legit. Everyone else out there? Definitely suspect. Even Massaquoi. I wouldn't want any other receiver on your team as a starter. They lack speed, quicks, and from what I've seen they're lazy a lot of the time on their routes. Oh, and never pass the ball to Hardesty again. Thanks.
I saw someone in this thread mention that the Browns have one of the best O-lines in football. Wow, again. Whatever that guy is smoking, we all need some. Forget handling assignments for a moment. The Browns' O-line is a comedy of errors through four games this year. How many false start penalties do they have? It isn't just one or two guys, either. It's the entire line. It's like they take turns screwing up. When it actually comes down to handling their assignments and getting their guy blocked, that doesn't always work out so well either. Colt is often running for his life back there. The reason the Browns don't have the highest sacks given up total in the NFL right now is because Colt is so mobile and able to escape pressure. Imagine a Peyton Manning standing back there trying to play pure pocket-passer football. He'd be lucky to have all his appendages attached after four games.
Your running game last year under Hillis was pretty solid. However, Hillis fans stupidly voted him up and now he's suffering under the Madden Curse like every player before him that's had the cover. Hardesty is an abject failure so far. Something has to change here.
Now, on to your defense. Holy hell. I'm a fan of Haden and Ward. Thought they were great additions. Still, they ain't there yet. It's one thing to be out of position a bit or get beat by a receiver every now and then, but Jesus H. Christ. You had Titans receivers wide open all day. I'm talking like 20-30 yards wide open. And who was that Browns DB that decided it'd be better to queef on Jared Cook while he was rumbling down the sidelines instead of actually pushing him out of bounds? He should have been fired before the game was even over. Atrocious.
So, let's recap. Your O-line, receivers, running game, and defense are all sub-par. The entire team is running a new system under a new coach with less than ample time during the off-season to learn what they need to. Yet, according to some of you football geniuses, it's the QB who is mainly to blame for your problems? Seriously, Clark?
Yeah, Colt isn't where he needs to be yet. He's a second year guy who has had to switch systems in a short amount of time. He's going to have rough spots. All new QBs to the NFL do. However, some of those QBs have the pieces around them to make the transition easier. See: Sanchez in New York. See: Rodgers in Green Bay (also getting to sit behind Favre for years probably helped, too). Colt doesn't have that luxury. He's on a really bad team and he's desperately trying to make plays while also not screwing up and putting his team in a hole. That's tough on any QB, especially a 2nd year guy.
My suggestion would be to hold your water and accept that the Browns are a year or three away from being a seriously good team. If you want instant gratification, the NFL ain't for you. Unfortunately, that seems like what the Browns have been chasing after for a long time. We're doing badly, blame the QB, get a new one. Damnit, we're still doing badly! Blame the QB, get a new one! What in the hell hootinany is this?! We're still doing badly?! Blame the QB, get a new one goddamnit!!! Oh, and switch coaches a time or three in that period while we're at it.
That is never going to get you a team that wins year in and year out, consistently gets to the playoffs, and potentially brings you home a title. You finally got a guy in Holmgren who can bring some professionalism and stability to your organization. Chill, let the team develop, and enjoy the wins when they come. Flying off the handle when your team, as bad as it is, is still tied for 1st place in the division is asinine and childish.
I agree with most of what you say, but you being a Colt homer..you just put almost all the blame on everyone else but Colt
I will say this, I never once have ever said anything about our front ofice or our coach, no I didnt understand the hiring, but not a whole lot of people knew who Tressal was either when he too over Ohio State
The people who hammer Colt on this site, they hammer him because he lacks what it taes to be a great QB in the NFL... No Arm, undersized, does not read defense as well as we thought. Look if you want a sub-par/ok QB then Colt is your guy. Trust me I wish Colt had everything that makes a great QB.
I do diss agree about our Defense, I think our Defense is one bad ass linebacker away from being a top 5 Defense, and another CB
O-line, nobody said one of the best in football this year, last year with Steinach Top 5 O-line
WR- Little will be a beast in the NFL, but yes we need a Megatron on our team, but dosnt everybody???
RB- They need to fix Hillis crap, and run a two back system, Hardesty dropping the ball, everybody does, just not 5 times in a game
Recap- Browns are not good, I think people knew that, but saw our weak schedule and thought we could make a run, if all the pieces fell into place. Problem with weak schedule not as weak as eveyone thought.
That being said...I really think I am going to end up enjoying the past baseball season with the tribe than this years Browns
I agree with most of what you say, but you being a Colt homer..you just put almost all the blame on everyone else but Colt
I will say this, I never once have ever said anything about our front ofice or our coach, no I didnt understand the hiring, but not a whole lot of people knew who Tressal was either when he too over Ohio State
The people who hammer Colt on this site, they hammer him because he lacks what it taes to be a great QB in the NFL... No Arm, undersized, does not read defense as well as we thought. Look if you want a sub-par/ok QB then Colt is your guy. Trust me I wish Colt had everything that makes a great QB.
I do diss agree about our Defense, I think our Defense is one bad ass linebacker away from being a top 5 Defense, and another CB
O-line, nobody said one of the best in football this year, last year with Steinach Top 5 O-line
WR- Little will be a beast in the NFL, but yes we need a Megatron on our team, but dosnt everybody???
RB- They need to fix Hillis crap, and run a two back system, Hardesty dropping the ball, everybody does, just not 5 times in a game
Recap- Browns are not good, I think people knew that, but saw our weak schedule and thought we could make a run, if all the pieces fell into place. Problem with weak schedule not as weak as eveyone thought.
That being said...I really think I am going to end up enjoying the past baseball season with the tribe than this years Browns
Defense is far from being top 5 and your snap assessments of Colt are funny.
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here we go again. give a qb 2 years with 2 different coaches. terrible defenses, no o-line, and terrible WRs
but its gotta be the QB...its always the QBs fault in cleveland. no wonder the browns pick in the top 10 every year
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Its funny how people just can not llok at the Browns without there Blinders on. I have said this a 10000000 times
Fact: every team in the NFL pass on Colt TWICE some three times!!! Why is that????
You want a third string QB who has no arm and can not read defenses or look over the O-line. ( please do not give me that Brday was a 6th round pick bullshit either)
Colt will be a great back-up in this league
If he went anywhere else besides Texas, people would not be some "Colt is great, hes our future" The reason he was winning QB in CFB history is because Yexas was loaded everywhere on Offense, Defense, and Special teams...
Colt will be our QB for the next couple years, he will be ok..Our Front Office will keep getting us players, and when we are ready to make our super bowl run. Colt will not be our QB..
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I agree with most of what you say, but you being a Colt homer..you just put almost all the blame on everyone else but Colt
I will say this, I never once have ever said anything about our front ofice or our coach, no I didnt understand the hiring, but not a whole lot of people knew who Tressal was either when he too over Ohio State
The people who hammer Colt on this site, they hammer him because he lacks what it taes to be a great QB in the NFL... No Arm, undersized, does not read defense as well as we thought. Look if you want a sub-par/ok QB then Colt is your guy. Trust me I wish Colt had everything that makes a great QB.
I do diss agree about our Defense, I think our Defense is one bad ass linebacker away from being a top 5 Defense, and another CB
O-line, nobody said one of the best in football this year, last year with Steinach Top 5 O-line
WR- Little will be a beast in the NFL, but yes we need a Megatron on our team, but dosnt everybody???
RB- They need to fix Hillis crap, and run a two back system, Hardesty dropping the ball, everybody does, just not 5 times in a game
Recap- Browns are not good, I think people knew that, but saw our weak schedule and thought we could make a run, if all the pieces fell into place. Problem with weak schedule not as weak as eveyone thought.
That being said...I really think I am going to end up enjoying the past baseball season with the tribe than this years Browns
Defense is far from being top 5 and your snap assessments of Colt are funny.
Defense is far from being top 5 and your snap assessments of Colt are funny.
and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
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Defense is far from being top 5 and your snap assessments of Colt are funny.
and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
zzzzzzzz....the dumbest comment ive ever read..................ever (and the dumbest thumbnail pic ever)
Signnnnn hereeeeeeee
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choco needs to stop chocing his chicken and pay more attention.
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your right......clueless on most of you browns fans
enjoy your two 15 minute breaks at work tomorrow
see, told ya....i went to college...and graduated. be sure to ask your mom what she's cooking you for dinner, and dont forget to wash the car so your dad will let ya borrow it.
choco needs to stop chocing his chicken and pay more attention.
i almost dont know how to respond to such a witty comment....the hours it must've taken you to come up with such a solid and unique put-down.
perhaps if you weren't a blind homer, you'd see what i see. im not the only one who has these complaints, youre just to awestruck to be objective, and think holgren can do no wrong cause he rode the coattails of great football minds in the past. this is further supported by your little one-liner quips that offer....wait for it....absolutely no substance. the reason for that is obvious....
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Defense is far from being top 5 and your snap assessments of Colt are funny.
and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
he looked fine on several drives and had the commentators giving him props on ESPN too. you sir are what we call a hater. and I bet we play and you're winded about 5 minutes in. Keep it coming guy.
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Awestruck? The Browns suck. I'm not the one who thinks they should be winning every game
(You do, you think they are a good team that should win every game. You are actually contradictory. If Holmgren sucks, then the product on the field sucks, and should not have won a game this year. But wait.. if they are talented, then H&H must be doing something right. So it's the coach that sucks? So how's that Holmgren's fault from a talent perspective? So which is it? Oh wait it's all McCoy's fault. He can't get the ball to his world-class receivers, who were picked before H&H. So it is H&H's fault, right?)
I'm just saying two years isn't long enough to flush the toilet of the shit that was here and replace it with fresh water. It takes a little longer.
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Awestruck? The Browns suck. I'm not the one who thinks they should be winning every game
(You do, you think they are a good team that should win every game. You are actually contradictory. If Holmgren sucks, then the product on the field sucks, and should not have won a game this year. But wait.. if they are talented, then H&H must be doing something right. So it's the coach that sucks? So how's that Holmgren's fault from a talent perspective? So which is it? Oh wait it's all McCoy's fault. He can't get the ball to his world-class receivers, who were picked before H&H. So it is H&H's fault, right?)
I'm just saying two years isn't long enough to flush the toilet of the shit that was here and replace it with fresh water. It takes a little longer.
:blink: :blink:Awestruck? The Browns suck. I'm not the one who thinks they should be winning every game
(You do, you think they are a good team that should win every game. You are actually contradictory. If Holmgren sucks, then the product on the field sucks, and should not have won a game this year. But wait.. if they are talented, then H&H must be doing something right. So it's the coach that sucks? So how's that Holmgren's fault from a talent perspective? So which is it? Oh wait it's all McCoy's fault. He can't get the ball to his world-class receivers, who were picked before H&H. So it is H&H's fault, right?)
I'm just saying two years isn't long enough to flush the toilet of the shit that was here and replace it with fresh water. It takes a little longer.
:blink: :blink:How do we know how good are wide-outs are???
Momass- I think is fine just playing wrong spot on field, needs to be number 2 or 3
Robo- Well we do not need to go there we know
Cribbs- just saying when you throw near him he catches the ball, really do not know where to put him, but he makes plays
Little- What do we know about him?? Our QB cant throw him the ball, he is to quick to check down....
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and your assessment that noodles looks comfy back there is even moreso a joke. you watched the games? sure ya did.great...he looked good on one drive. its all the other drives where he looks like shit are the real issue and the source of our concern.
i thought texans knew something about football. are you all homers that are blinded by good college performance?
he looked fine on several drives and had the commentators giving him props on ESPN too. you sir are what we call a hater. and I bet we play and you're winded about 5 minutes in. Keep it coming guy.
he looked fine on several drives and had the commentators giving him props on ESPN too. you sir are what we call a hater. and I bet we play and you're winded about 5 minutes in. Keep it coming guy.
and he also looked terrible on countless more. you sir...are a homer. look at u...hangin on a browns site cause we drafted your favorite college QB. you provide a real objective opinion...following the golden boy around like a little puppy. thats so sweet of you.
sure, im a bit upset at his regression. i thought he looked pretty damn good last year....this year has been steady decline. a good part to most of that is shurmur and the system...but that doesn't hide the fact noodles can barely throw a football.
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Awestruck? The Browns suck. I'm not the one who thinks they should be winning every game
(You do, you think they are a good team that should win every game. You are actually contradictory. If Holmgren sucks, then the product on the field sucks, and should not have won a game this year. But wait.. if they are talented, then H&H must be doing something right. So it's the coach that sucks? So how's that Holmgren's fault from a talent perspective? So which is it? Oh wait it's all McCoy's fault. He can't get the ball to his world-class receivers, who were picked before H&H. So it is H&H's fault, right?)
I'm just saying two years isn't long enough to flush the toilet of the shit that was here and replace it with fresh water. It takes a little longer.
:blink: :blink:Awestruck? The Browns suck. I'm not the one who thinks they should be winning every game
-- neither did I...its the rest of the geniuses here predicting 11-5. i figured 6-7 wins..(You do, you think they are a good team that should win every game. You are actually contradictory. -- you think that cause you cant follow logic and are putting words in my mouth. see below genius. If Holmgren sucks, then the product on the field sucks, and should not have won a game this year. -- what? even the shitiest teams win a game here or there. we just happened to beat 2 teams that are a combined 0-8. going winless has only happened twice...ever. But wait.. if they are talented, then H&H must be doing something right. So it's the coach that sucks? So how's that Holmgren's fault from a talent perspective? -- what did i say....holmgren made a mistake hiring his rookie nephew to coach this team. you'll never find a negative post from me on this board about heckert. however, noodles was fatass' hand picked QB...so there ya go. So which is it? Oh wait it's all McCoy's fault. He can't get the ball to his world-class receivers (apologist), who were picked before H&H. So it is H&H's fault, right?) -- you got a serious reading comprehension problem son...since ive said it several times, i wont say it again. im not sure you'd even understand.mitchell never sees the field, little looks promising. i do believe it was fatass and heckert that said our receivers were fine...right? hmmm....
I'm just saying two years isn't long enough to flush the toilet of the shit that was here and replace it with fresh water. It takes a little longer. -- it was for mangini...wasn't it. pot meet kettle...
:blink: :blink:you actually wanna try and mount an argument that i have used, cause im not sure just where you came up with most of this bullshit. somehow i contradicted myself on a subject about talent being fatass and heckert's thing? try and find that post...
if this is the best you can do....dont even reply, or at minimum quote a post of mine and address the points. cause this horribly structured....post....that brings up shit ive never even said is some of the most pathetic reasoning ive ever read. please tell me your smarter than this man....cause this is so bad its really not even funny.
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he looked fine on several drives and had the commentators giving him props on ESPN too. you sir are what we call a hater. and I bet we play and you're winded about 5 minutes in. Keep it coming guy.
and he also looked terrible on countless more. you sir...are a homer. look at u...hangin on a browns site cause we drafted your favorite college QB. you provide a real objective opinion...following the golden boy around like a little puppy. thats so sweet of you.
sure, im a bit upset at his regression. i thought he looked pretty damn good last year....this year has been steady decline. a good part to most of that is shurmur and the system...but that doesn't hide the fact noodles can barely throw a football.
and he also looked terrible on countless more. you sir...are a homer. look at u...hangin on a browns site cause we drafted your favorite college QB. you provide a real objective opinion...following the golden boy around like a little puppy. thats so sweet of you.
sure, im a bit upset at his regression. i thought he looked pretty damn good last year....this year has been steady decline. a good part to most of that is shurmur and the system...but that doesn't hide the fact noodles can barely throw a football.
The way you talk about football tells me all I need to know about you. If you dont think Colt can throw a football, you're either Retarded or throwing your words around like they dont mean anything. Neither of which is respectable, to me. But hey, my post count isn't very high, so what the hell do I know? I didnt attend The University of Texas, so I dont consider myself a homer, but I do think Colt is a fantastic QB and its annoying to see people dogging him when anyone with a football IQ over 5 can take one look at gametape and see that he's not the biggest leak on the sinking boat. Best of luck on your season gentlemen.
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I'm not a Browns fan, but every year I watch them and it annoys the living hell out of me...
The Browns coming up with an obvious, one step solution to their problems, that will inevitably fail to change anything.
Colt isn't going to be able to complete many long balls, you could help that by drafting gifted recievers, if every draft you didn't pass them up or every couple of years trade them away. The WCO is predicated on short passes and the recievers making plays. What do you think your reciever core can do with the ball? Nadda. You could help McCoy see down field if he didn't feel he had to fear for his life, but your offensive line is crap, you don't run the ball much and when you do it's obvious it's coming; so no real threat of that.
You know, I recall another quarterback who went to the browns and could never develop because he was doomed with a craptacular Oline, nice kid, could have been something special... believe his name was Ottoman, or sofa, or something like that. Well hell, it doesn't matter because Cleveland can't keep a quarterback or a coach or a winning record for more than two years. Their dingus fans think single drafts will save them and when people don't develop quick enough, they get the boot, thus assuring the endless cycle of crap remains in place.
You know what's funny? That team down on the southern part of the state in the past 6 years has had 2 conference championships, completely out-drafted and out-coached Cleveland and even though they tore it all down, after Lewis lost his guys last year, they're already rebuilding toward a solid team.
If Mike xxxxing Brown is besting you in terms of recruiting, you suck as an organization.
How do you pass up on AJ Green?!?! How Does Robo-slomo get a starting spot?
How can your defense not stop anybody from running the ball?
How can you since coming back as an expansion in 1999 not have one good year with a solid Oline?
Replace Colt, when the next guy fails we can just keep looking forward to the next bust.
And if it is just that every QB cleveland snatches up is laughably bad, then who the hell is scouting the upcoming talent? I don't buy that excuse. You've had 12 years to get a good quarterback, maybe it's not a single skill player. Maybe Cleveland just blows.
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