Article from KC Chiefs site on Pioli

Fooleeze

See this already bothers me. Rumors that he wants Bernie and Jim Brown less involved in the organization. . . Those are the legends of Browns past, why make your candidacy contingent on pushing away some of the most important pieces of the Browns history? They're not in a position to make decisions, what harm are they to have around?

PlayoffsIN09

Get it done Lerner!!!

KardiacKid26

@shepwrite said:
Pioli is the dude, period. He's been turning down jobs until he was ready to take control and make his own masterpiece and now he feels that he's ready. If I'm Lerner, I make Pioli the number one guy in charge of everything... and bring in McDaniels.

I found someone that agrees with me.

Squintz

@fooleeze said:
See this already bothers me. Rumors that he wants Bernie and Jim Brown less involved in the organization. . . Those are the legends of Browns past, why make your candidacy contingent on pushing away some of the most important pieces of the Browns history? They're not in a position to make decisions, what harm are they to have around?

It's like a buddy of mine as he dates a new chick. Why would he date a gal with a couple of kids from a couple of ex-husbands that are always around and chiming in when he can find a different girl that's just as hot without any ex's involved?

I love what Bernie and Jim have done for this organization and respect that they should be around. But they need to stop leaking crap to the media and meddling with management. They should be more like my man Reggie Rucker and voice his opinion without having to be coddled by the organization.

OconRecon

I like it. If its his show, then there is accountability.

If anyone heard Colin Cowherd today, this style is right up the ally of a strong willed and successful leader in sports. He says it continues to be true that strong gets it done, not the desire to please everyone. If Bernie and Jim need to be told respectfully to be quiet, then so be it. Time to win. By the way, he says this is Romo's problem. Trying to please all of the personalities.

(Colin was great today by the way).

dencyguy

@fooleeze said:
See this already bothers me. Rumors that he wants Bernie and Jim Brown less involved in the organization. . . Those are the legends of Browns past, why make your candidacy contingent on pushing away some of the most important pieces of the Browns history? They're not in a position to make decisions, what harm are they to have around?

They're harm to have around because even if they don't sign the checks, they're ready-made distractions. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that Brown and Kosar are seen regularly in Lerner's box, not officially advising him, mind you, just...talking...about things. Then let's imagine that there was a particularly lazy/unethical local beat writer, someone like, I dunno, Tony Grossi who can't think of anything to write and just wrote his monthly "Jim Tressel to coach the Browns" column, and he needs something. So he gets in touch with Jim Brown, who calls the coach soft and says that the team needs to clean house.

Grossi, of course, makes that his headline, and makes sure to point out that Brown "has Lerner's ear" and "is one of his inner circle of advisors." And Pioli and whoever the coach is have to deal with the subsequent distraction--what are you going to do to please Brown? Has Lerner told you that you'll not be back if you don't toughen up?--for at least a couple of weeks.

The problem with legends is that the verb in their description changes from "they were important to the team" to "they are important to the team." Team, not fans. The fact that Jim Brown is the best RB ever, and that Kosar almost got the team to the Super Bowl a couple of times, doesn't and shouldn't mean that they have a decision making or influencing role on the team.

Other people have pointed it out before, but the greatest thing Bear Bryant ever did for his successors was having the decency to die rather than hang around for decades to second-guess every third down play call they made.

Dennis

? Aloysius

@fooleeze said:
See this already bothers me. Rumors that he wants Bernie and Jim Brown less involved in the organization. . . Those are the legends of Browns past, why make your candidacy contingent on pushing away some of the most important pieces of the Browns history? They're not in a position to make decisions, what harm are they to have around?

If you're the GM, do you want former players whispering to the owner about your personnel moves? Does that at all help to establish a functional & well-managed front office, something the last GM was fired for not doing?

I don't have any problem with having Pioli & the new head coach be the only voices representing our squad. Though it's nice to hear Bernie on the radio, does he really tell us anything valuable? Like you said, he's not involved in personnel decisions, nor should he be.

IIRC, Bernie was on the radio before the '07 draft saying that we already had a great QB in Charlie Frye. As bad as that player evaluation was, it was even worse that he'd step on the GM's toes & call for him not to make what turned out to be an entirely necessary move.

Geech

That is a fantastic post, Dency. Very eloquently (and elegantly) put.

5 star post.

-Al

rich4eagle

@kardiackid26 said:
I found someone that agrees with me.

Yep, Weiss was the Dude........Belichicks offensive genius

and yep Romeo was the dude ..........Belichicks defensive genius

Yep Mangini was the dude.......Belichicks all genius

and yep Parcells never won a playoff game without Belichick at his side

So what is this that makes Pioli ...........hands down the man.......did he do Belichicks coffee better than the rest of these guys or is just another coffee bringer

I find it funny that Pioli who has NEVER lead any franchise anywhere is NOW de Man

YtownBrownsBacker

None here know much about Pioli except what they are reading, me included. Didn't we just lose a guy that was a media hermit and didn't like his ego to be challenged.

I have a problem with ultimate control or forget it.

I'm for asking Ernie Accorsi to be a part time adviser. Let's talk to Casserly also.

Kosarfan

Trying to get the team on track is not necessarily disrespecting former players. Give the guy the latitude he wants and lets get on with the fixing. Obviously the old ways - prior to the new Browns - have done squat for our current team. I will always be a fan of what the former guys did, especially Kosar, but I also want a future for this team to look forward to and watch, rather than basque in the past. Does'nt do much for me to talk about the teams of the '80's or before, when the game has changed so much. I'd much rather be talking about a winning season and high hopes rather than remember when ....

I'm sure anyone on this forum who has read the BS from the Squeeler trolls here, would too.

OconRecon

@rich4eagle said:
So what is this that makes Pioli ...........hands down the man.......did he do Belichicks coffee better than the rest of these guys or is just another coffee bringer
I find it funny that Pioli who has NEVER lead any franchise anywhere is NOW de Man

Alternative to Pioli?

WPB Dawg Fan

@rich4eagle said:
Yep, Weiss was the Dude........Belichicks offensive genius
and yep Romeo was the dude ..........Belichicks defensive genius

Yep Mangini was the dude.......Belichicks all genius

and yep Parcells never won a playoff game without Belichick at his side

So what is this that makes Pioli ...........hands down the man.......did he do Belichicks coffee better than the rest of these guys or is just another coffee bringer

I find it funny that Pioli who has NEVER lead any franchise anywhere is NOW de Man

So basically what you are saying is you are in love with Belicheck....who did absolutely NOTHING before he went to New England....and crapped his pants here in Cleveland....but after going to NE somehow suddenly became the ONLY man in the organization that knows EVERYTHING....and the rest are all baristas at best???

Brilliant!!!

titleist585

@rich4eagle said:
Yep, Weiss was the Dude........Belichicks offensive genius
and yep Romeo was the dude ..........Belichicks defensive genius

Yep Mangini was the dude.......Belichicks all genius

and yep Parcells never won a playoff game without Belichick at his side

So what is this that makes Pioli ...........hands down the man.......did he do Belichicks coffee better than the rest of these guys or is just another coffee bringer

I find it funny that Pioli who has NEVER lead any franchise anywhere is NOW de Man

Who would you bring in Rich?

? Masters

@titleist585 said:
Who would you bring in Rich?

He needs more than 3 years to figure that out

Gips

@playoffsin09 said:
Get it done Lerner!!!

I second this notion!

I like the way the man handles himself he knows exactly what he needs and isnt mincing words and is uncompremising about it this is the guy we need right along with a young HC.. get er done randy!

Fooleeze

Thanks for the responses about Bernie & Jim. I guess I would feel better if instead of pushing those guys away, if he talked to them and brought them into the fold. Got them involved with the organization and with them. But that's just my opinion.