Occupy Wall Street... Screw That! Lets Occupy The Net!
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Oh, Steve. One look in here reminds me why I haven't bothered.
How's your health, man? Doing better?
Doing well, Heck, thanks. Lost some weight and eliminated most simple carbohydrates.
Unfortunately I've pissed off my cat Rusty who regularly shared my frequent bag of late night cheeseburgers...
C'est la vie.
WSS
Doing well, Heck, thanks. Lost some weight and eliminated most simple carbohydrates.
Unfortunately I've pissed off my cat Rusty who regularly shared my frequent bag of late night cheeseburgers...
C'est la vie.
WSS
Well, good to see it hasn't made you any less grumpy. Cheers.
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Doing well, Heck, thanks. Lost some weight and eliminated most simple carbohydrates.
Unfortunately I've pissed off my cat Rusty who regularly shared my frequent bag of late night cheeseburgers...
C'est la vie.
WSS
Well, good to see it hasn't made you any less grumpy. Cheers.
Well, good to see it hasn't made you any less grumpy. Cheers.
Grumpy???
Hey I'm not the guy getting apoplectic over this goofy protest.
C'mon bud, you agent seriousy riding that bandwagon are ya?
WSS
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Well, I see the collective intransigence in here has driven away yet another person who seems to have a clue what's going on. Congrats, fellas!
As for the protests - and you're not luring me back in here, no way - I think it's the left wing version of the Tea Party. It's an expression of legitimate angst without a real sense of what to do about it. It also includes lunatics. But I'd say these people are far more connected to reality than the Tea Party ever was. They mostly screeched about phantoms, like tax hikes that didn't exist, birth certificates, nonsense about the health care plan that wasn't true.
You'll see your share of misinformation floating around the OWS protests too, but at least they're based in something real - a sense that the current system isn't working very well for very many people, and extremely well for a few; the problems of growing inequality and a declining middle class. Now, the answer isn't as simple as "Wall Street did it." But that's a lot closer to the truth than "Obama did it." Of course, you probably still think we're in this mess because of the Community Reinvestment Act and unions, but I can't help you there.
Just like I said at least a year or two ago, it's going to be a long time before we get out of this. If Romney ends up being president - and God, I hope they nominate him - he's going to end up doing a lot of the things Republicans are now pretending to be against, but will instantly flip to supporting once their hide is on the line - payroll tax cuts, infrastructure projects, aid to the states, etc. And those won't exactly fix things either. We're going to be stuck in the mud for years no matter who is in charge.
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Well, I see the collective intransigence in here has driven away yet another person who seems to have a clue what's going on. Congrats, fellas!
As for the protests - and you're not luring me back in here, no way - I think it's the left wing version of the Tea Party. It's an expression of legitimate angst without a real sense of what to do about it. It also includes lunatics. But I'd say these people are far more connected to reality than the Tea Party ever was. They mostly screeched about phantoms, like tax hikes that didn't exist, birth certificates, nonsense about the health care plan that wasn't true.
You'll see your share of misinformation floating around the OWS protests too, but at least they're based in something real - a sense that the current system isn't working very well for very many people, and extremely well for a few; the problems of growing inequality and a declining middle class. Now, the answer isn't as simple as "Wall Street did it." But that's a lot closer to the truth than "Obama did it." Of course, you probably still think we're in this mess because of the Community Reinvestment Act and unions, but I can't help you there.
Just like I said at least a year or two ago, it's going to be a long time before we get out of this. If Romney ends up being president - and God, I hope they nominate him - he's going to end up doing a lot of the things Republicans are now pretending to be against, but will instantly flip to supporting once their hide is on the line - payroll tax cuts, infrastructure projects, aid to the states, etc. And those won't exactly fix things either. We're going to be stuck in the mud for years no matter who is in charge.
Well, I see the collective intransigence in here has driven away yet another person who seems to have a clue what's going on. Congrats, fellas!
I'm far too stubborn to just go away. Working this much can be a pain in the ass (I've gotta prep lesson plans for 9 hours of teaching tomorrow, and I just got home).
Anyways, yes. There are clearly a bunch of people here who don't know what the hell is going on; the tea party wasn't any different, so stop being like the lefties you so hated (myself included) who nitpicked the dipshits. Stop the libs vs. conservatives bullshit. There's a problem here and we're all on the wrong end of it.
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Well, I see the collective intransigence in here has driven away yet another person who seems to have a clue what's going on. Congrats, fellas!
As for the protests - and you're not luring me back in here, no way - I think it's the left wing version of the Tea Party. It's an expression of legitimate angst without a real sense of what to do about it. It also includes lunatics. But I'd say these people are far more connected to reality than the Tea Party ever was. They mostly screeched about phantoms, like tax hikes that didn't exist, birth certificates, nonsense about the health care plan that wasn't true.
You'll see your share of misinformation floating around the OWS protests too, but at least they're based in something real - a sense that the current system isn't working very well for very many people, and extremely well for a few; the problems of growing inequality and a declining middle class. Now, the answer isn't as simple as "Wall Street did it." But that's a lot closer to the truth than "Obama did it." Of course, you probably still think we're in this mess because of the Community Reinvestment Act and unions, but I can't help you there.
Just like I said at least a year or two ago, it's going to be a long time before we get out of this. If Romney ends up being president - and God, I hope they nominate him - he's going to end up doing a lot of the things Republicans are now pretending to be against, but will instantly flip to supporting once their hide is on the line - payroll tax cuts, infrastructure projects, aid to the states, etc. And those won't exactly fix things either. We're going to be stuck in the mud for years no matter who is in charge.
But I'd say these people are far more connected to reality than the Tea Party ever was. They mostly screeched about phantoms, like tax hikes that didn't exist, birth certificates, nonsense about the health care plan that wasn't true.
You'll see your share of misinformation floating around the OWS protests too, but at least they're based in something real - a sense that the current system isn't working very well for very many people, and extremely well for a few; the problems of growing inequality and a declining middle class. Now, the answer isn't as simple as "Wall Street did it." But that's a lot closer to the truth than "Obama did it." Of course, you probably still think we're in this mess because of the Community Reinvestment Act and unions, but I can't help you there.
Just like I said at least a year or two ago, it's going to be a long time before we get out of this. If Romney ends up being president - and God, I hope they nominate him - he's going to end up doing a lot of the things Republicans are now pretending to be against, but will instantly flip to supporting once their hide is on the line - payroll tax cuts, infrastructure projects, aid to the states, etc. And those won't exactly fix things either. We're going to be stuck in the mud for years no matter who is in charge.
Heck, you are floating mis information about the OWS crowd, you need to get your facts straight before claiming that OWS crowd has grass roots.
This whole occupy mob has paid protesters who will stay as long as the funds are still available. This movement is the White Houses answer to the Tea Party and the goal is to get the hard left out in force to push the progressive agenda.
As for Romney he is nothing more than another liberal wrapped in a republican uniform. He will lean more towards the middle and he does not appear to be anywhere on the the right of center.
My question is to all of those who support the OWS crowd; is why will you support them and not the Tea Party? Do you believe everything that you are told by the media?
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You have to be smoking something illegal to think the Tea Party is the same
as a bunch of soros/seiu funded losers who are getting free food, and have no principles
about what they believe in - they just hate ...and want handouts to everybody, from the rich.
they are even SAYING violent overthrow towards a socialist country.
Heck is a peabrain, and it's odd that nobody was "driven off" for the eight years
that Bush was pres. But now that they supported a phoney, lousey lieing loser ....
they can't handle the truth.
Still think Obamao gets re-elected Heck? Rof,l !
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Yeah, I do, actually.
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Like this, Steve:
"the unions and government regulations and taxes started killing US manufacturing."
No. This is horseshit. First of all, the United States is still the largest manufacturer in the world. Others are catching up, but this is still true. So nothing has been killed for the reasons you imagine. The jobs you're talking about that have been lost have been lost to global competition and they ain't coming back. They weren't lost because unions existed. (Unions have been decimated for years and are absent from entire industries - how come those jobs left too?) They weren't lost because of regulations. They weren't lost because of Wall Street. They're lost because there are people in India and China and Mexico and Indonesia who will do them at a lower cost to their employer.
Take away all the unions and regulations you like. You're not going to beat 90 cents an hour.
So you flog the union and regulation horse because that's what your side does as a reflex. And the left blames Wall Street as their reflex. It's the same angst, same hopelessness, reacting to the same events, but neither side is right. The reality is that there's simply no use for many of these American workers anymore, because unless you've got a skill that's needed in the 21st century economy you're a dinosaur.
But I could show you this ten different ways, you'd still blame the unions and regulations when the sun comes up. And that's why people leave the board.
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Like this, Steve:
"the unions and government regulations and taxes started killing US manufacturing."
No. This is horseshit. First of all, the United States is still the largest manufacturer in the world. Others are catching up, but this is still true. So nothing has been killed for the reasons you imagine. The jobs you're talking about that have been lost have been lost to global competition and they ain't coming back. They weren't lost because unions existed. (Unions have been decimated for years and are absent from entire industries - how come those jobs left too?) They weren't lost because of regulations. They weren't lost because of Wall Street. They're lost because there are people in India and China and Mexico and Indonesia who will do them at a lower cost to their employer.
Take away all the unions and regulations you like. You're not going to beat 90 cents an hour.
So you flog the union and regulation horse because that's what your side does as a reflex. And the left blames Wall Street as their reflex. It's the same angst, same hopelessness, reacting to the same events, but neither side is right. The reality is that there's simply no use for many of these American workers anymore, because unless you've got a skill that's needed in the 21st century economy you're a dinosaur.
But I could show you this ten different ways, you'd still blame the unions and regulations when the sun comes up. And that's why people leave the board.
But I could show you this ten different ways, you'd still blame the unions and regulations when the sun comes up. And that's why people leave the board.
He says he's busy now that I assume he's working.
I wasn't here all summer and rarely now.
But if I need to spout the democrat party line to keep people like Kos on the board then what's the point? If you don't like me (or anyone else) and have more fun on your monochrome progressive page it's up to you.
Topic: Republicans. Threat or menace? Discuss.
Of course you still seem to give a pass to any kind of ridiculous rhetoric as long as it's from the left. Oh well.
And if you don't think the unions etc have had a negative effect on the job scene around here then oh well.
But right to work states aren't paying 90 cents.
And it's not worth 70 K to load trucks.
Or 90 to teach school.
But you know that, it's just tough to say out loud.
WSS
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This is your usual dodge, and I'm not getting into it with you again. You claimed unions and regulation killed manufacturing. I just made the case that that's not true. Which you can't counter, so you start talking about teachers and truck loaders instead of manufacturing.
Let's not do this again.
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So Heck, since you've decided to champion your buddy today, go back into the thread and read his first entry. Fanny. Freddy. No bailout. Social security will be gone by the time he retires.
do you think this represents the attitude of the occupied wall street movement?
Would you not attack a right winger for saying the same thing?
But instead you're anger with me for making fun of the movement.
I went to a few protests when I was back in college too!
Even though it was ultimately not much more than an excuse to have a party, at least we had a vague idea of what we wanted changed.
WSS
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And back the "championing your buddy" stuff too. And the total topic change. This took all of 12 hours.
Good to hear you're well.
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And back the "championing your buddy" stuff too. And the total topic change. This took all of 12 hours.
Good to hear you're well.
And back the "championing your buddy" stuff too. And the total topic change. This took all of 12 hours.
Good to hear you're well.
Thanks.
And as usual....
Anyway the topic was and is that I think these protestors are clueless.
If you don't fine.
Then YOU changed the subject to how mean old WSS runs off the thoughtful posters like Kos.
Great. If you think he and the OWS gang are right on the money then I apologize for wastingyour time.
Hopefully the bankers will feel sorry and make everything fair and the world will be sunny and bright.
And you're probably right about Romney but I don't expect him to save me.
That's the difference.
WSS
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You haven't changed a bit.
First a logical fallacy, then ignoring what I wrote about the protests and inventing a cartoon instead, then a thoroughly ridiculous comment, and then another one where you imagine yourself to be the only person who understands that a president can't make everything right. Really? Wow. You really are seeing the world clearly. We could all learn from you.
I really enjoyed writing one thing in five months, having it be about the protests and how they're somewhat misguided and over-simplified, then being accused of changing the subject from the protests (huh?) and thinking that "the OWS gang are right on the money."
Sorry for pointing out how your opinions about unions and regulation killing American manufacturing are untrue and political, but don't worry - you can keep them anyway! As I'm sure you will.
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You haven't changed a bit.
Thanks. Nor have you amigo.
First a logical fallacy, then ignoring what I wrote about the protests and inventing a cartoon instead, then a thoroughly ridiculous comment
. It's an expression of legitimate angst without a real sense of what to do about it. It also includes lunatics. But I'd say these people are far more connected to reality than the Tea Party ever was
OK Unsolicited attack on the lefts target of the month. Support for the demands of the protestors whatever they might be. Check
, and then another one where you imagine yourself to be the only person who understands that a president can't make everything right. Really? Wow. You really are seeing the world clearly. We could all learn from you.
Probably so.
I really enjoyed writing one thing in five months, having it be about the protests and how they're somewhat misguided and over-simplified, then being accused of changing the subject from the protests (huh?) and thinking that "the OWS gang are right on the money."
Somewhat? See above
Sorry for pointing out how your opinions about unions and regulation killing American manufacturing are untrue and political, but don't worry - you can keep them anyway! As I'm sure you will.
Yes. And as long as your team is on the union payroll youll pretend they have little or no responsibility in the downfall of the industrial states that are not right to work.
Come down to Akron Ill buy you a beer and we can drive by the rubber shops.
They build tires down south and not for 90 cents an hour The world no longer needs as much manpower and there are more people. Simple enough. Semi or unskilled labor isnt worth as much. Unions keep the cost artificially high and the jobs move elsewhere. Indonesia China Mexico and Georgia..
If Romney ends up being president - and God, I hope they nominate him - he's going to end up doing a lot of the things Republicans are now pretending to be against, but will instantly flip to supporting once their hide is on the line - payroll tax cuts, infrastructure projects, aid to the states, etc. And those won't exactly fix things either. We're going to be stuck in the mud for years no matter who is in charge
Now well attack the supposed Republican nominee. Check.
Make sure to mention the word flip. OK. But again I dont get misty over Romney like your guys did over Obama. Your campaign oversold the guy and when he didnt meet the challenge he looks bad.
And if Romney doesnt bring us to the land of milk and honey the Reps will blame you guys.
Like you did the first couple years in which you had a blank check.
But Romney will suffer less for compromise than would one of the candidates to the right. The expectations on them are too high.
But as to jobs I'd rather (if we're going to add to the deficit) create 3 12 dollar anhour jobs than one 35 an hour job.
WSS
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Now we’ll attack the supposed Republican nominee. Check.
I don't think that was really an attack on him. A candidate flipping on their campaign promises? That's an attack? When's the last time a candidate did what he said he was going to do?
And if Romney doesn’t bring us to the land of milk and honey the Reps will blame you guys.
Like you did the first couple years in which you had a blank check.
Yep. And I remember when I was in high school, all the gung ho republicans blamed a bunch of stuff on Clinton during the W. years. Aaaaand I remember people in my family blaming Bush. This whole damn thing is a farce. Any change we see between the parties is just an illusion, outside of the polarizing issues that they key on to sustain their power (abortion, gay marriage, gun control), each party's stance on the economy is just the same. It's a circle jerk between big government and big corporations.
Anywho...
Heck, how, in your opinion, should we approach the issue of the lack of education of the majority of our population?
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Well, for 1 thing romney is not president yet. I have not heard em say that he was against spending for the infrastructure or the lower payroll tax. And as for flip floppin I suppose it all depends on who your candidate is. Did he reevaluate his positions and come up with a better understanding of the plan? Is he too damn stubborn to see the light? Does he hold true to his convictions and beliefs? It all depends on the way you choose to spin it.
Here I would call it an attack because the governor hasn't done anything as president yet.
You see my point is that no 1 expects Romney to come in and make a
big splash. His supporters don't seem all that zealous to me. I think people would be more disappointed if a tea party candidate comes in and can't get anything done. Just like they are with obama, or should be. He can blame his own campaign for that. They tapped into the unrealistic hopes and dreams of the population and then failed to deliver.
WSS
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Now we’ll attack the supposed Republican nominee. Check.
I don't think that was really an attack on him. A candidate flipping on their campaign promises? That's an attack? When's the last time a candidate did what he said he was going to do?
And if Romney doesn’t bring us to the land of milk and honey the Reps will blame you guys.
Like you did the first couple years in which you had a blank check.
Yep. And I remember when I was in high school, all the gung ho republicans blamed a bunch of stuff on Clinton during the W. years. Aaaaand I remember people in my family blaming Bush. This whole damn thing is a farce. Any change we see between the parties is just an illusion, outside of the polarizing issues that they key on to sustain their power (abortion, gay marriage, gun control), each party's stance on the economy is just the same. It's a circle jerk between big government and big corporations.
Anywho...
Heck, how, in your opinion, should we approach the issue of the lack of education of the majority of our population?
Anywho...
Heck, how, in your opinion, should we approach the issue of the lack of education of the majority of our population?
I'd be here all day trying to answer that one.
It's been extremely difficult to figure out ways to improve educational outcomes. The only programs that seem to pay dividends are the ones that focus on the earliest years of development, from ages 1 through 5. And even some of those gains get erased over time, or they're difficult to duplicate on a large scale.
It's a really, really tough problem to solve. And it hasn't been for a lack of trying.
However, we're getting lapped here. One of the main reasons so many people are out of work right now is that they're not educated enough, and don't possess the skills you need in the new world economy. After all, people with a college degree or more? Their unemployment rate is 4.5%, which is essentially full employment. So that's not where the recession really is. The recession is for people on the lower end of the education spectrum. Their unemployment rate is 14.3%. And a lot of that is caused by globalization, but education is obviously a part of that.
There used to be good jobs for those people to do. Not so much anymore. The hard working middle class guy of 1975 or 1985 now competes with a Mexican guy and a Chinese guy and an Indian guy - all of whom will work just as hard, may even have a higher education, and will do all of that for less pay.
It's what comparative advantage economics is all about. If we're going to be the big dog in the new economy, we have to have the best educated workforce, and the best infrastructure. But that's not what we have. And our political system is essentially broken.
Have a nice weekend.
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China Mexico and India have better infrastructure than the US?
Are the Indians and Chinese ahead of our kids in education?
If so is it because the teachers get paid a great deal of money?
If not, why does anyone suppose that is?
WSS
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