Problem Is Not Receivers It's Mccoy
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Its funny how people just can not llok at the Browns without there Blinders on. I have said this a 10000000 times
Fact: every team in the NFL pass on Colt TWICE some three times!!! Why is that????
You want a third string QB who has no arm and can not read defenses or look over the O-line. ( please do not give me that Brday was a 6th round pick bullshit either)
Colt will be a great back-up in this league
If he went anywhere else besides Texas, people would not be some "Colt is great, hes our future" The reason he was winning QB in CFB history is because Yexas was loaded everywhere on Offense, Defense, and Special teams...
Colt will be our QB for the next couple years, he will be ok..Our Front Office will keep getting us players, and when we are ready to make our super bowl run. Colt will not be our QB..
Huh?
Texas was loaded everywhere when Vince Young was QB, true. When Colt was QB? Hardly.
I know. I watched all the games Colt played from his very first one against North Texas to his last one against Alabama. Our defense stunk with hardly any NFLers in Colt's entire career. His O-line was awful every season after his first. He did have two great receivers in Jordan Shipley and Quan Cosby. One of whom was drafted in the 3rd round (I think) and the other who went undrafted. World beaters right there, I tell ya!
Some of you folks don't understand that there's more to football than measurements. Jeff George and Ryan Leaf were perfect QBs on paper. Didn't know how to win or have a feel for the game. Colt is a winner and he's a natural. Look at how many SB victories Mr. Perfect Passing QB Manning has in his 15 year career. One. In a year where he played like dog-shit through the entire playoffs.
You guys get better players in Cleveland and get Shurmur's system established and Colt will start looking amazing. Book it.
Huh?
Texas was loaded everywhere when Vince Young was QB, true. When Colt was QB? Hardly.
I know. I watched all the games Colt played from his very first one against North Texas to his last one against Alabama. Our defense stunk with hardly any NFLers in Colt's entire career. His O-line was awful every season after his first. He did have two great receivers in Jordan Shipley and Quan Cosby. One of whom was drafted in the 3rd round (I think) and the other who went undrafted. World beaters right there, I tell ya!
Some of you folks don't understand that there's more to football than measurements. Jeff George and Ryan Leaf were perfect QBs on paper. Didn't know how to win or have a feel for the game. Colt is a winner and he's a natural. Look at how many SB victories Mr. Perfect Passing QB Manning has in his 15 year career. One. In a year where he played like dog-shit through the entire playoffs.
You guys get better players in Cleveland and get Shurmur's system established and Colt will start looking amazing. Book it.
You hit the nail on the head with your last bit, bro. Its about getting the system established. Look at Brady and the system that he works in. He is an amazing athlete, but his success is a big product of the system that he works in. Being a system QB has done wonders for Brady. He is a quiet dude who goes to practice and puts in work and understands the system that he works with. His mechanics and timing with his receivers is fantastic. When you've got Ochocinco on your team and he's putting up meager games of 2 catches for 28 yds, 3 for 56, etc., that shows you that its not only about the ability of the reciever to create yards, after contact, but also the responsibility to know how to find the ball by running your assignment correctly. The Browns could have this, but it will take time and repetition. The good thing is, they have a QB who has the ethic and intelligence to make his system work. All of you fans who want the next drew brees, phillip rivers, or aaron rodgers aren't likely going to get him. . .NEWSFLASH. What you do have is an intelligent quarterback with fantastic mechanics, solid work-ethic, ability to move around outside the pocket and the intangibles to lead his team. Look who he's working with. At UT, Colt roomed with Ship and dragged his ass out of bed in the early morning to practice and find rhythm. He has done the same thing at Cleveland for you. He found the playbook, organized practices, broke in rookie receivers, and kept his mouth shut when he wasn't getting the nod for the starting job. And now you wanna replace him? THAT kind of attitude is what breeds losing. Its easy to look at the chips that you're playing with as the problem, but good teams make the most out of their personnel by focusing on things like consistency, technique, and mindset.
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For a second year QB who didn't have the benefit of an offseason with the coaching staff to learn this offense, I'd say he's about where I'd expect. The WCO depends on a lot of timing and that takes time to develop (like offseason kind of time). McCoy may not be the QB of the future but I think comparing him to Brady Quinn who couldn't hit a 10-yard stick route is pretty harsh.
I think everyone needs to relax and let the coaching staff sort this out.
I don't recall anyone complaining when the coaching staff kept his menu of plays brief...let him play to his strengths and he beat New Orleans, New England and had the Jets on the ropes last year.
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different coaching staff and system when we beat those teams last year.
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Please read my post about QB drafting over the past 12 years
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Please read my post about QB drafting over the past 12 years
Please read my post about QB drafting over the past 12 years
Yeah, we read it. It just didn't really convince anyone of anything.
For every 1st round QB success story there's at least one guy who was a dismal failure.
Also, I think QB success has a lot less to do with the QBs talent and a lot more to do with where he gets drafted. Are more talented QBs going to do better? Of course. Those will be guys that, if they get in a good situation, will be all-time greats. Still, where they end up decides a lot of how good they'll end up being.
Take Aaron Rodgers for example. Everyone felt bad for him when he got drafted because he fell to the bottom of the 1st round. However, it was the best thing to ever happen to him. He got to sit behind Brett Favre for YEARS. He went to a winning organization who knew how to bring home championships. So, when he finally got his chance, he was in the perfect situation to succeed. Imagine how well he'd be doing if he'd gotten drafted 1st overall by say, the Raiders. Or the Bungles. Or, gasp, the Cleveland "Lets Change QBs every other year" Browns. Would he have a Super Bowl ring? Would he be throwing for ungodly numbers every game? Doubtful.
Besides, your argument doesn't really work for Colt anyway. He's a 1st round talent that fell to the 3rd round because he got injured in the most high-profile game of his career and because he's a couple of inches shorter than the prototypical QB. If Colt doesn't get hurt against Alabama in the title game, he probably goes on to dominate them like Vince did to USC. (Garret Gilbert, a freshman with 0 game experience was passing all over Alabama and almost brought Texas back for the win and he isn't even playing for Texas anymore because he was so awful) He gets drafted somewhere else. Maybe somewhere where the fans aren't so crazy as to want to throw him on the scrap heap after 1 season and four games.
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Funny thread, throw the QB under the bus, when he has nothing to make plays...............Classic Cleveland for 20 years ............and then go woof woof
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
(WillnAustin) Also? If Colt can't throw the ball, then why does he lead the NCAA in all-time completion percentage?
(King Ghoolie) Bernie Kosar was deadly accurate, too. Why, because he threw for 3 yards on 3d and 11. McCoy is Noodles. ON that we all have to agree.
Ghoolie, I am going to disagree...sort of.
First, Colt McCoy had the highest completion pct in college because of the offense that he ran. Yes, he had the precision but it's much easier to be precise on a slant to Quan Cosby in the Fiesta Bowl than a 20 yard deep out.
Second, I don't completely buy the notion that McCoy has a "noodle" arm. His velocity is much better than a Chad Pennington who played for many years because he made up for his lack of arm strength with other traits. McCoy doesn't have a CONSISTENTLY strong arm. That I will grant you. At least once a game however, I think he has been able to (with proper mechanics) drive the ball down the field. Am I the only one who remembers #10 trying throw downfield in 2009 only to see the damned ball go out of bounds because he couldn't keep it in the field of play? I think Colt is a step above that. If Colt McCoy fails in the NFL it will not be because of arm strength. Right now, it seems to me that he's struggling with what he's seeing on the field. His release is quick but he's hesitating which, to me, means that he's not comfortable in the offense.
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Not many teams have a better O-line than the Browns, Colt's noodle arm is the reason he's pressured so much. No threat throwing outside the hashes. If thats all you can do, your gonna get hounded all day until you can prove you can stretch the field, and he hasn't yet.
Did you read what you just wrote? Colt's arm is why he is pressured so much? That is ludicrous and laughable. If he is getting pressured it is because his line is not protecting. It doesn't matter how strong an arm he has.
The problem with this offense is not Colt McCoy. He is not perfect, but he is not the major problem.
Having a Browns QB throw 61 times in a game is the problem. That should never happen. Even in the NWCO the QB should only be throwing at most 30-35 times a game.
Colts problems are totally correctable. 1. He sometimes seems to throw late 2. He sometime throws too much into traffic. The latter problem may be because no one can get open.
Did you read what you just wrote? Colt's arm is why he is pressured so much? That is ludicrous and laughable. If he is getting pressured it is because his line is not protecting. It doesn't matter how strong an arm he has.
The problem with this offense is not Colt McCoy. He is not perfect, but he is not the major problem.
Having a Browns QB throw 61 times in a game is the problem. That should never happen. Even in the NWCO the QB should only be throwing at most 30-35 times a game.
Colts problems are totally correctable. 1. He sometimes seems to throw late 2. He sometime throws too much into traffic. The latter problem may be because no one can get open.
The #1 and #2 most blitzed QB's in the league right now are Drew Brees and Mike Vick. Both short and one doesn't have a all world canon. Colt's both short and weak armed.....coincidence?
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You people knocking McCoy are flat-out wrong.
The Browns O-line SUCKS. Get over it. The Browns have 2 first-rounders and 3 players who won't start at any other team in the league -- and the reason McCoy doesn't feel confident is because he shouldn't be. He will get leveled if he doesn't get rid of the ball in 2 seconds.. because the O-line can't block anyone.
This isn't random theory, this is objective fact. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats for the O-line.. the Browns O-line is not good.
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Funny thread, throw the QB under the bus, when he has nothing to make plays...............Classic Cleveland for 20 years ............and then go woof woof
Funny thread, throw the QB under the bus, when he has nothing to make plays...............Classic Cleveland for 20 years ............and then go woof woof
classic cleveland that you continue to follow and knock on this door when it's beneficial to you to either throw a dig at somone or some comment or to become queen of the browns parade for a day.
how about this: why don't you go fxk yourself? literally. sure you've got a couple of friends still on this board but when i say a couple...i mean a couple. you could disappear tomorrow and nobody would know or give a fxxk. you are obviously a one-way, selfish piece of shit whose family is praying you'll 'get lost in the woods' one day.
how many other teams' forums are you on professing to be a fan of their team only to reveal your ugly fat polish bald head underneath a mask of mitt romney?
GO FXXK YOURSELF X 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, or infinity!!!!
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You people knocking McCoy are flat-out wrong.
The Browns O-line SUCKS. Get over it. The Browns have 2 first-rounders and 3 players who won't start at any other team in the league -- and the reason McCoy doesn't feel confident is because he shouldn't be. He will get leveled if he doesn't get rid of the ball in 2 seconds.. because the O-line can't block anyone.
This isn't random theory, this is objective fact. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats for the O-line.. the Browns O-line is not good.
You people knocking McCoy are flat-out wrong.
The Browns O-line SUCKS. Get over it. The Browns have 2 first-rounders and 3 players who won't start at any other team in the league -- and the reason McCoy doesn't feel confident is because he shouldn't be. He will get leveled if he doesn't get rid of the ball in 2 seconds.. because the O-line can't block anyone.
This isn't random theory, this is objective fact. Go to NFL.com and look at the stats for the O-line.. the Browns O-line is not good.
Objective fact? Really??? In those stats for the O-line does it say how long Colt holds onto the ball? Or that he only throws 5 yards down field, or that he's afraid to stand in the pocket????? Make some plays down field and you won't have 8 guys rushing every play....We have a top 10 offensive line in the league, but when there's no threat to throw the ball, there gonna play the run and blitz the hell outta you. A good QB takes advantage of a blitz happy D and give's his receivers a chance downfield. Colt's scrambles outside and throws 2 yards past the line of scrimmage to a RB
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please stop talking about your little noodle
its game time
drinking game....taking shots everytime our WR's cant get open down field
and yes looks like i wont be able to drive anywhere tonite
yeah and who's buying the booze, the homeless guy on the skids outside the liquor store? cuz god knows you're not old enough. take it eeeeaaaazzzzyyyy slugger.
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LOL first pass play MoMass is wide open and he misses him, next play they send more than you can block and he doesn't look for a hot route.....buts thats the O-line and WR's fault right?
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"We have a top 10 offensive line in the league"
We have one of the top 10 worst offensive lines in the league. Mack is out today, so our line is one first-rounder and four scrubs who wouldn't start for anyone else.
What makes you presume MoMass ran the correct route? What makes you presume any receiver noticed the blitz and broke the assigned route off? What makes you assume that, even if a receiver noticed the blitz, that the hot route they switched to.. was run into an open space?
You're still wrong. But keep posting, you're very intimidating!
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"We have a top 10 offensive line in the league"
We have one of the top 10 worst offensive lines in the league. Mack is out today, so our line is one first-rounder and four scrubs who wouldn't start for anyone else.
What makes you presume MoMass ran the correct route? What makes you presume any receiver noticed the blitz and broke the assigned route off? What makes you assume that, even if a receiver noticed the blitz, that the hot route they switched to.. was run into an open space?
You're still wrong. But keep posting, you're very intimidating!
"We have a top 10 offensive line in the league"
We have one of the top 10 worst offensive lines in the league. Mack is out today, so our line is one first-rounder and four scrubs who wouldn't start for anyone else.
What makes you presume MoMass ran the correct route? What makes you presume any receiver noticed the blitz and broke the assigned route off? What makes you assume that, even if a receiver noticed the blitz, that the hot route they switched to.. was run into an open space?
You're still wrong. But keep posting, you're very intimidating!
LOL Macks playing....... and to the rest.....Ohh Lord LMFAO your probably right
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what is 'illegal shift' ?
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