A Little Perspective On This "nightmare" Season
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What is the turn around that mangini lead? He went 1-11 in before winning 4 in a row year one then took all that momentum to an 0-3 start the next year finishing twice at 5-11. I'm not telling you this like you don't know. He was and is so overrated!! He is perfect right where he is on ESPN just speculating like the rest of us.
blind as a bat my friend. in your eyes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a horse.
the record didn't show it but the all around performance of last year's team, even if we didn't win, was sooooo much better than this heap of dog shit we're putting on the field so far this year. lack of discipline, hillis not getting the ball, mccoy looking like a deer in the headlights.......shurmur looks like someone with no clue. granted he's a rookie coach with no experience running the whole shebang but why did he have to come here to 'learn'?
note the pres., gm, head coach all have the same agent? you don't think there's something weird about that? hire all your friends and collect a fat check on your last gig before retiring and opening up a dunkin donuts franchise. way to go holmgren!
blind as a bat my friend. in your eyes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a horse.
the record didn't show it but the all around performance of last year's team, even if we didn't win, was sooooo much better than this heap of dog shit we're putting on the field so far this year. lack of discipline, hillis not getting the ball, mccoy looking like a deer in the headlights.......shurmur looks like someone with no clue. granted he's a rookie coach with no experience running the whole shebang but why did he have to come here to 'learn'?
note the pres., gm, head coach all have the same agent? you don't think there's something weird about that? hire all your friends and collect a fat check on your last gig before retiring and opening up a dunkin donuts franchise. way to go holmgren!
But you're comparing Mangini's 2nd yr to Shurmur's 1st. And in all reality, it's not that much different... especially considering that Mangini had HC experience and a yr coming off of a 4-0 finish riding momentum...
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What is the turn around that mangini lead? He went 1-11 in before winning 4 in a row year one then took all that momentum to an 0-3 start the next year finishing twice at 5-11. I'm not telling you this like you don't know. He was and is so overrated!! He is perfect right where he is on ESPN just speculating like the rest of us.
blind as a bat my friend. in your eyes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a horse.
the record didn't show it but the all around performance of last year's team, even if we didn't win, was sooooo much better than this heap of dog shit we're putting on the field so far this year. lack of discipline, hillis not getting the ball, mccoy looking like a deer in the headlights.......shurmur looks like someone with no clue. granted he's a rookie coach with no experience running the whole shebang but why did he have to come here to 'learn'?
note the pres., gm, head coach all have the same agent? you don't think there's something weird about that? hire all your friends and collect a fat check on your last gig before retiring and opening up a dunkin donuts franchise. way to go holmgren!
blind as a bat my friend. in your eyes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a horse.
the record didn't show it but the all around performance of last year's team, even if we didn't win, was sooooo much better than this heap of dog shit we're putting on the field so far this year. lack of discipline, hillis not getting the ball, mccoy looking like a deer in the headlights.......shurmur looks like someone with no clue. granted he's a rookie coach with no experience running the whole shebang but why did he have to come here to 'learn'?
note the pres., gm, head coach all have the same agent? you don't think there's something weird about that? hire all your friends and collect a fat check on your last gig before retiring and opening up a dunkin donuts franchise. way to go holmgren!
McCoy probably looks like a Deer in headlights because he's operating a real NFL offense, not whatever the hell Daboll was running last year. Yes, the Browns beat the Pats and Saints... but also got blown out by the Squeelers TWICE, and lost to the Bungles, Jaguars, and the Bills. They also were 1-4 after their first 5 games and didn't get win #3 until week 9.
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i know i know. i'm saying with mangini had less to play with and got more out of the group he had (at least up to this point) than shurmur seems to. i don't see the same attributes from last year's team that made me excited about this year......albeit the firing of the HC from last year.
it's just my opinion and i could be totally wrong (lord knows it wouldn't be the first time). then i'll be the biggest crow eating MFer on this board.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Man up? Dude, you have Holmgrens spooge all over your face, dripping down your chin.
A few things.......... if your fkucking point is that the Browns don't have talent........Duh!!
And, if we Don't have talent, who's falt is that? Eh Spooge face?
McCoy is "essentially" a rookie. That's what Steeler fans said about Queerdell Stewart in Year 3 because he was playing multiple positions before that. YOu soulnd like the same idiot.
Hey, hows come Cinci's rookie QB isn't have the same problems?
2 - 3 with wins against teams who have no QB and who are battling for teh 1st pick overall in 2012? IMPRESSIVE................
This team is worse than last year's team. Fans have a right to bitch.
Finally, that no writers or experts picked us to do anything ather than finish 4 - 12 should piss you off. WHO's Fault is that?
Hey, wait, befor you leave, take this towell, you still have a little bit on your forehead.
Oh I see. You want to hire a magician who can transform a team from crap to SB champions in two drafts. Good luck with that dufus.
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OP, you are basically spot on. I really can't agrue with you. It is a good level headed assessment of the Browns' current state.
Here is my problem, your post is all too familiar. You could regurgitate that post about every two years.......changing a few names of course. That is what burns my ass. Maybe they got it right this time but history tells us they do not. Give me a reason to believe. Win more games then you should this year. Do something to give me hope.
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No. When pat shurmur wins a few games ill give him a chance. Right now he's looking like a frigging clown. Maybe that makes you more manly, to suffer in silence, macho man, but I am completely sick of it.
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Actually, the offense last year was better.
A lot less short plays(which don't make sense when you don't have the reciever to turn out yards after the catch), a lot less penalties, a lot more running to keep defenses honest.
I think Haden is going to be a damn good player, but the rest of the defense is dookie as well.
Yes, there is still plenty of football to play, but how can you possibly tell people to feel good about the product being put on the field? It's hard to watch on TV. I'd be tempted to trot out to mid field, drop my pants and take a dump during the time out if I paid for a ticket.
We want them to succeed, but at some point, you just have to see some ray of hope. What is there that makes you hopeful for the future on this team? Because I got nothing.
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OP, you are basically spot on. I really can't agrue with you. It is a good level headed assessment of the Browns' current state.
Here is my problem, your post is all too familiar. You could regurgitate that post about every two years.......changing a few names of course. That is what burns my ass. Maybe they got it right this time but history tells us they do not. Give me a reason to believe. Win more games then you should this year. Do something to give me hope.
OP, you are basically spot on. I really can't agrue with you. It is a good level headed assessment of the Browns' current state.
Here is my problem, your post is all too familiar. You could regurgitate that post about every two years.......changing a few names of course. That is what burns my ass. Maybe they got it right this time but history tells us they do not. Give me a reason to believe. Win more games then you should this year. Do something to give me hope.
True, But you just don't know how a regime is going to turn out. I know it's awful to give a FO a chance and they turn out to be crap. But this FO is actually drafting decently, something that hasn't happened in Cleveland 2.0
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Im not trying to be a jerk, but here are my observations.
1. Our defense under the old regime was good. Our defense under the new regime is good.
2. Our penalties under EM was minimal. Our penalties under Shurmur has increased.
3. Our offense under EM's OC Brian daboll was horrid. The bar was set so low that any improvement should not be difficult- The playcalling was bad but the effort was great. Our offense under the new regime does not seem awesome - the playcalling is better - but there is hardly any effort.
4. Colt has regressed under the new regime. Although EM did not develop Colt when Colt was called and given limited time - He played really well- We all had our hopes up. Now we are doubting if he can be the guy or is he a career backup.
5. Our schedule under both the EM years were difficult. This year the schedule seems more favorable but it seems more like we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
6. Under the old regime we saw toughness and we were looking more like the AFC North calibre team. Now we dont seem to have an identity.
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