Bench Mccoy.....
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Why is everyone whining?
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I don't know what you Colt "supporters" have seen to lead you to any optimism. He has been terrible despite not having the numbers to match his awful play. He is young however and has only played 14 games so I also wouldn't give up on him. He misses on throws ALL the time and that is solely on him. WR's can't catch balls thrown nowhere near them and he is getting the balls off so it isn't the O-line. He has been grossly inaccurate and he has a very weak arm. I am hoping the accuracy is just a slump as he was very accurate in college and I hope his arm gets stronger as he continues to work out and get bigger. Those are all what ifs though.
It would be nice to see Hillis come back and play like he did last year to take some of the pressure of Colt, but unfortunately he can't seem to stay healthy.
As far as people saying Manning, Brady, and Montana looking as bad as Colt if they had his playcalling/teammates ... that is an epic fail. A GREAT QB makes every one around him better. If we had Brady or a healthy Manning we are instantly a contender with the rest of this team.
If you don't think so look at the Colts this year with no Peyton. It is very hard in the NFL to be good for a very long time without a franchise QB. If you look at the teams who have made the playoffs on some sort of regular basis for the past decade all have studs at QB (San Diego, Pats, Packers,Colts, Steelers, Eagles)
Best recipe for a SB is a great QB and a great D
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Cam Newton was the worst thing to happen to the Browns organization since Art Modell.
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jnuh...i didn't want to believe it either,but the interior OL is getting thrown around like rag dolls. after rewatching the seahags game, its obvious the problems it is causing.
pashos and joe are doing a fine job of pushing the ends wide, but the only way that helps is if the interior holds there ground....which is how a pocket is formed. however, pinkston is getting pushed straight back into mccoy half the passing snaps. lauvauo (?) is even worse. when the pocket collaspses, what exactly do you want mccoy to do? you think the protection is adequate when he's got guys in his face during a 3 step drop?
im not absolving noodles of some of the bad play, but if you think its ALL on him then your a dumbass. football is a series of cause and effects. why was he so accurate last year? did he just forget how to stand in the pocket and throw a football? when the OL held and he was able to stand tall,step into his throws, he looked completely different...the throws were accurate,on time,and had zip. if your gonna sit there and contend that every throw is bad and his fault, then its obvious your just not paying attention. you know better than that.
he's got tight windows to throw into, but the receivers are getting separation....just not alot. we do not regularly have guy running wide open, but when we do he often misses them. having some passing lanes may help this, but that will come with better OL play. most OL have half a foot on colt, so he's only seeing a portion of the field. and im sure this doesn't help either......
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/SPNM1LMMEN.DTL
we're young...these are the growing pains of a young team. if youre willing to give the other players slack for making rookiemistakes,you samn well better give it to colt as well. read back in this thread and you'll see where i was blasting him, but start laying the blame on the team and not one man.
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jnuh...i didn't want to believe it either,but the interior OL is getting thrown around like rag dolls. after rewatching the seahags game, its obvious the problems it is causing.
pashos and joe are doing a fine job of pushing the ends wide, but the only way that helps is if the interior holds there ground....which is how a pocket is formed. however, pinkston is getting pushed straight back into mccoy half the passing snaps. lauvauo (?) is even worse. when the pocket collaspses, what exactly do you want mccoy to do? you think the protection is adequate when he's got guys in his face during a 3 step drop?
im not absolving noodles of some of the bad play, but if you think its ALL on him then your a dumbass. football is a series of cause and effects. why was he so accurate last year? did he just forget how to stand in the pocket and throw a football? when the OL held and he was able to stand tall,step into his throws, he looked completely different...the throws were accurate,on time,and had zip. if your gonna sit there and contend that every throw is bad and his fault, then its obvious your just not paying attention. you know better than that.
he's got tight windows to throw into, but the receivers are getting separation....just not alot. we do not regularly have guy running wide open, but when we do he often misses them. having some passing lanes may help this, but that will come with better OL play. most OL have half a foot on colt, so he's only seeing a portion of the field. and im sure this doesn't help either......
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/SPNM1LMMEN.DTL
we're young...these are the growing pains of a young team. if youre willing to give the other players slack for making rookiemistakes,you samn well better give it to colt as well. read back in this thread and you'll see where i was blasting him, but start laying the blame on the team and not one man.
jnuh...i didn't want to believe it either,but the interior OL is getting thrown around like rag dolls. after rewatching the seahags game, its obvious the problems it is causing.
pashos and joe are doing a fine job of pushing the ends wide, but the only way that helps is if the interior holds there ground....which is how a pocket is formed. however, pinkston is getting pushed straight back into mccoy half the passing snaps. lauvauo (?) is even worse. when the pocket collaspses, what exactly do you want mccoy to do? you think the protection is adequate when he's got guys in his face during a 3 step drop?
im not absolving noodles of some of the bad play, but if you think its ALL on him then your a dumbass. football is a series of cause and effects. why was he so accurate last year? did he just forget how to stand in the pocket and throw a football? when the OL held and he was able to stand tall,step into his throws, he looked completely different...the throws were accurate,on time,and had zip. if your gonna sit there and contend that every throw is bad and his fault, then its obvious your just not paying attention. you know better than that.
he's got tight windows to throw into, but the receivers are getting separation....just not alot. we do not regularly have guy running wide open, but when we do he often misses them. having some passing lanes may help this, but that will come with better OL play. most OL have half a foot on colt, so he's only seeing a portion of the field. and im sure this doesn't help either......
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/SPNM1LMMEN.DTL
we're young...these are the growing pains of a young team. if youre willing to give the other players slack for making rookiemistakes,you samn well better give it to colt as well. read back in this thread and you'll see where i was blasting him, but start laying the blame on the team and not one man.
While I think your a fking douche, you're spot on with the assessment of the o line. Any qb would have an issue throwing on this team. We can't even run the ball to mix it up or give him a break. In the highlights video McCoy had protection and a back that could pick up yards.
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I don't know what you Colt "supporters" have seen to lead you to any optimism. He has been terrible despite not having the numbers to match his awful play. He is young however and has only played 14 games so I also wouldn't give up on him. He misses on throws ALL the time and that is solely on him. WR's can't catch balls thrown nowhere near them and he is getting the balls off so it isn't the O-line. He has been grossly inaccurate and he has a very weak arm. I am hoping the accuracy is just a slump as he was very accurate in college and I hope his arm gets stronger as he continues to work out and get bigger. Those are all what ifs though.
It would be nice to see Hillis come back and play like he did last year to take some of the pressure of Colt, but unfortunately he can't seem to stay healthy.
As far as people saying Manning, Brady, and Montana looking as bad as Colt if they had his playcalling/teammates ... that is an epic fail. A GREAT QB makes every one around him better. If we had Brady or a healthy Manning we are instantly a contender with the rest of this team.
If you don't think so look at the Colts this year with no Peyton. It is very hard in the NFL to be good for a very long time without a franchise QB. If you look at the teams who have made the playoffs on some sort of regular basis for the past decade all have studs at QB (San Diego, Pats, Packers,Colts, Steelers, Eagles)
Best recipe for a SB is a great QB and a great D
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And this usually happens for those teams overnight. Or take the Redskins route and sign 30 free agents.
Only a Browns fan would be bitching that their pussy hurts, for being 3-3.
I wasn't bitching that we are 3-3 ... But we are 3-3 because we beat 3 teams with a total of 2 combined wins. It isn't like we are beating even decent teams.
I was bitching because McCoy has been "blah" to say the least. He hasn't showed much at all this entire season. And he doesn't seem to be on his way to being a franchise QB. If you guys want to continue to blame everyone else on the offense though have fun. I just feel that if he was gonna be a great QB you would atleast see glimpses of that here and there. Instead we see a guy who can't hit the side of a barn.
It just seems like some of you who are so pro Colt just make excuses for him regardless to what he is actually doing. Right now he sucks there is no other way to look at it. Maybe that will change down the line and I hope it does. Right now though he is in the bottom 5 of starting QBs in this league.
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And this usually happens for those teams overnight. Or take the Redskins route and sign 30 free agents.
Only a Browns fan would be bitching that their pussy hurts, for being 3-3.
I wasn't bitching that we are 3-3 ... But we are 3-3 because we beat 3 teams with a total of 2 combined wins. It isn't like we are beating even decent teams.
I was bitching because McCoy has been "blah" to say the least. He hasn't showed much at all this entire season. And he doesn't seem to be on his way to being a franchise QB. If you guys want to continue to blame everyone else on the offense though have fun. I just feel that if he was gonna be a great QB you would atleast see glimpses of that here and there. Instead we see a guy who can't hit the side of a barn.
It just seems like some of you who are so pro Colt just make excuses for him regardless to what he is actually doing. Right now he sucks there is no other way to look at it. Maybe that will change down the line and I hope it does. Right now though he is in the bottom 5 of starting QBs in this league.
I wasn't bitching that we are 3-3 ... But we are 3-3 because we beat 3 teams with a total of 2 combined wins. It isn't like we are beating even decent teams.
I understand what you are saying, but I still hate this argument. Would you have rather had the Browns lose to the 3 teams with a combined 2-17 record? Then we would be worse, right? The NFL isn't like college football. Record is all that matters in determining standings. Only one of the last few tiebreakers takes strength of schedule into effect (and the following year's draft picks).
McCoy hasn't looked great. Accuracy is supposed to be his strength and he has been very inaccurate so far. But I am willing to watch him start an entire season before I call him a bust..
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I wasn't bitching that we are 3-3 ... But we are 3-3 because we beat 3 teams with a total of 2 combined wins. It isn't like we are beating even decent teams.
I understand what you are saying, but I still hate this argument. Would you have rather had the Browns lose to the 3 teams with a combined 2-17 record? Then we would be worse, right? The NFL isn't like college football. Record is all that matters in determining standings. Only one of the last few tiebreakers takes strength of schedule into effect (and the following year's draft picks).
McCoy hasn't looked great. Accuracy is supposed to be his strength and he has been very inaccurate so far. But I am willing to watch him start an entire season before I call him a bust..
I understand what you are saying, but I still hate this argument. Would you have rather had the Browns lose to the 3 teams with a combined 2-17 record? Then we would be worse, right? The NFL isn't like college football. Record is all that matters in determining standings. Only one of the last few tiebreakers takes strength of schedule into effect (and the following year's draft picks).
McCoy hasn't looked great. Accuracy is supposed to be his strength and he has been very inaccurate so far. But I am willing to watch him start an entire season before I call him a bust..
I 100% agree I rather win those games then lose them. And I feel like beating teams you "should" beat is a huge step in the right direction. All I was getting at is don't get excited and think we are a good team because we are .500 because the only reason we are .500 is because we beat 3 teams who are terrible. And in those 3 wins it isn't like we dominated we struggled in 2 of them and could have easily lost them.
As far as McCoy I am not willing to prematurely say he is a bust just yet. I really hope he pans out. I just don't see anything in him as of yet. All I am saying is he looks terrible and is a bottom 5 QB. That is just the sad reality of it. Granted the O-line/playcalling isn't helping ... but if he were good he would still make plays. Maybe not on a consistent basis but here and there. And most importantly he would overcome the obstacles that are being thrown his way. Life has delt Colt lemons and he ain't making lemonade...He instead is making low completion percentage pie. The only thing that keeps me even a little bit optimistic is how bad Brees was in his first couple of years.
I wouldn't bench him because we don't have anyone better. I really want us to have a real QB though because that is the number one way in this league to win consistently.
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And this usually happens for those teams overnight. Or take the Redskins route and sign 30 free agents.
Only a Browns fan would be bitching that their pussy hurts, for being 3-3.
I never said it has to happen over night. But in 12 years we have fielded neither dominate D or a franchise QB. I feel like the D is on a very good track right now. And this front office is doing a great job via the draft. And as badly as I want the franchise QB I would still rather see them add 3 defensive players to this team in Aprils draft with our 2 first rounders and our second. CB, LB, and either another LB or DE. If we get as good of players as we have been getting in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years we will have very tough D. And it could potentially cover up how bad the O is.
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And this usually happens for those teams overnight. Or take the Redskins route and sign 30 free agents.
Only a Browns fan would be bitching that their pussy hurts, for being 3-3.
I never said it has to happen over night. But in 12 years we have fielded neither dominate D or a franchise QB. I feel like the D is on a very good track right now. And this front office is doing a great job via the draft. And as badly as I want the franchise QB I would still rather see them add 3 defensive players to this team in Aprils draft with our 2 first rounders and our second. CB, LB, and either another LB or DE. If we get as good of players as we have been getting in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years we will have very tough D. And it could potentially cover up how bad the O is.
I never said it has to happen over night. But in 12 years we have fielded neither dominate D or a franchise QB. I feel like the D is on a very good track right now. And this front office is doing a great job via the draft. And as badly as I want the franchise QB I would still rather see them add 3 defensive players to this team in Aprils draft with our 2 first rounders and our second. CB, LB, and either another LB or DE. If we get as good of players as we have been getting in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years we will have very tough D. And it could potentially cover up how bad the O is.
I'm calling it right now. McCoy is going to have a good game so everyone will just shut the fook up already.
Browns 17 - 69er's 13
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I never said it has to happen over night. But in 12 years we have fielded neither dominate D or a franchise QB. I feel like the D is on a very good track right now. And this front office is doing a great job via the draft. And as badly as I want the franchise QB I would still rather see them add 3 defensive players to this team in Aprils draft with our 2 first rounders and our second. CB, LB, and either another LB or DE. If we get as good of players as we have been getting in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years we will have very tough D. And it could potentially cover up how bad the O is.
I'm calling it right now. McCoy is going to have a good game so everyone will just shut the fook up already.
Browns 17 - 69er's 13
I'm calling it right now. McCoy is going to have a good game so everyone will just shut the fook up already.
Browns 17 - 69er's 13
I hope so ... but I still won't let the 1 good game cloud my thoughts of the 6 bad games
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He's a low 3rd round pick....why exactly are u expecting Tom Brady?
He has shown glimpses...u just choose to ignore them
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We suck. I hope Shurmer's plane crashes.
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Right now id love to see seneca Wallace in if only so we have an 'excuse' to be an embarrassment. In all honesty, though I think he'd do better than colt. Lots better.
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Zombo should'a gave the douche award to McCoy, worst QB in the league.....bye far
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maybe special teams or the defense can put up some points to prevent the shutout...
the offense (Losers Inc) need to get their asses and brains wired together....
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