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  • D Bone D BoneD Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    You seriously think we are a RT away??? lol

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      Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

      Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

      That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

      It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

      The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

      This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

      It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

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      C CLEVELandMILIDH wrote on last edited by
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      @calfoxwc said:

      Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

      Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

      That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

      It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

      The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

      This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

      It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

      Good QB's make a living making over aggressive blitzing defenses pay, its not the O-lines fault when they bring 8 guys everyplay. Until he proves he can pass the ball or make a play under duress the line will continue to have an impossible task.

      1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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        @calfoxwc said:

        Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

        Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

        That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

        It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

        The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

        This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

        It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

        Good QB's make a living making over aggressive blitzing defenses pay, its not the O-lines fault when they bring 8 guys everyplay. Until he proves he can pass the ball or make a play under duress the line will continue to have an impossible task.

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        B bringbackbrownie2 wrote on last edited by
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        @clevelandmilidh said:

        Good QB's make a living making over aggressive blitzing defenses pay, its not the O-lines fault when they bring 8 guys everyplay. Until he proves he can pass the ball or make a play under duress the line will continue to have an impossible task.

        Ya Colt is inaccurate whenever he has to drop back. I say put him in the shotgun more often even though it isn't used much in the WCO. By the time McCoy drops back he always dumps it off for no gain or leaves a WR open for a big hit..

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          Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

          Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

          That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

          It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

          The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

          This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

          It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

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          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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          @calfoxwc said:

          Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

          Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

          That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

          It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

          The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

          This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

          It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

          you are blind, ignorant and stubborn. that's obvious reading some of your posts on the political forum.

          how is it stupid to say the browns are bad??? are u Fing kidding me? stupid, why? cuz we don't agree with an old man doing circles in his backyard cutting the lawn sippin on lemonade with blinders on? get real.

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            D dawg08 wrote on last edited by
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            If I was Jueron I would quit! His "D" has no chance having to be on the field all day long!

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              Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

              Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

              That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

              It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

              The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

              This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

              It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

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              @calfoxwc said:

              Baloney. The Browns need a RT.

              A couple of decent guards would help, too.

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                Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

                Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

                That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

                It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

                The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

                This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

                It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

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                D dawg08 wrote on last edited by
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                @calfoxwc said:

                Baloney. The Browns need a RT. The Browns can't pass protect with this team for diddley, so it's all short throws. Norwood or Cribbs, and Little are the only possibilities...

                Colt threw a few off passes... but he HAS NO FREAKIN TIME TAKING THE SNAP UNDER CENTER.

                That's why they may as well just have him in the shotgun the rest of the freakin game.

                It's stupid to say all the Browns are bad... the defense kicks ass. Google "goal line stand" maybe...

                The Niners are just a very, very, very talented football team. Go look up their draft picks.

                This defense is superior to Mangini's... and the playcalling is perfectly fine by me.

                It's the lack of blocking and weapons that kill the offense. That, and Colt frantically trying to make any play have a chance.

                Your not serious, right?

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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  Baloney. The Browns need a RT.

                  A couple of decent guards would help, too.

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                  D dawg08 wrote on last edited by
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                  @intbal said:

                  A couple of decent guards would help, too.

                  Add a couple WR's, running back, a QB... Should I go on?

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                    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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                    Dan Fouts is stupid.

                    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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                      This offense seriously sucks ass, we can call it the WCO but we are lying to ourselves.

                      Unless Mccoy pulls a Tebow or starts tebowing right now for the fourth quater this is pathetic.

                      In Cleveland failure is an artform.
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                        This offense seriously sucks ass, we can call it the WCO but we are lying to ourselves.

                        Unless Mccoy pulls a Tebow or starts tebowing right now for the fourth quater this is pathetic.

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                        chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                        @represent said:

                        This offense seriously sucks ass, we can call it the WCO but we are lying to ourselves.

                        Unless Mccoy pulls a Tebow or starts tebowing right now for the fourth quater this is pathetic.

                        11-5...here we come, right?

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                          @represent said:

                          This offense seriously sucks ass, we can call it the WCO but we are lying to ourselves.

                          Unless Mccoy pulls a Tebow or starts tebowing right now for the fourth quater this is pathetic.

                          11-5...here we come, right?

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                          R Represent wrote on last edited by
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                          @choco said:

                          11-5...here we come, right?

                          If shurmur puts this kid in the shotty more who the xxxx knows

                          In Cleveland failure is an artform.
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                            chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                            thats not gonna help him be able to burn a blitz.

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                              Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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                              It's proven that this shit ass WCO is no effective. Colt McCoy has been a different player in the no huddle offense week in and week out. Good coaches know when to hold em and when to fold em, it's time to fold em on this system.

                              I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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                                miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                most disturbing piece of shit product thrown on the field in browns v2.0 yet.

                                thanks lerner for hiring a tub of shit retread and his lackies.

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                  Mik - be smart enough to keep this forum about Browns football. BTW, you don't have the nads to go over and argue stupid stuff on the other board,

                                  then why complain like a sissy?

                                  Yes, I'm serious. It's the oline. The plays don't work, many times, because of the right side of the oline. Bleachreport says exactly what I've been saying...

                                  it isn't like I made it up to get attention.

                                  For instance. the Niners. They drafted their LT, FIRST ROUND, 2007.

                                  They drafted their LOG... FIRST ROUND, 2010

                                  They drafted their C/ROG in the THIRD ROUND, 2005

                                  They drafted their ROT in the FIRST FREAKIN ROUND in 2010.

                                  Excuse me, but that says you must pay attention to your offensive line. And, it's a huge reason for the Niners' success on offense.

                                  Let me ask you guys this:

                                  Even with a solid oline - and a first rounder at qb, and rb, (I think it was), a first rounder at TE, et c etc... and this oline....

                                  how do you figure they only scored 20 points on the Browns... and how the freakin do you think that the Browns kicked their arses on the goal line stand?

                                  Did Gore all of a sudden turn into a bust at rb? Or, do you think that the offensive line forgot how to block?

                                  The answer is: The Niners offensive line and Gore ran straight into our excellent defense that was playing on all cylinders on that goal line stand.

                                  It's about matchups. Colt and his wr's and his right side oline does not match up well with most, if not all, defenses they face. It isn't all on Colt, anymore

                                  than the goal line stand was all on Smith, the Niners qb.

                                  Seriously? Do you think that Colt was a bum and "held onto the ball too long" when Pashos completely whiffed on his block and McCoy got nailed

                                  in that first series?

                                  When Dan Fouts says Colt had absolutely no chance on that play.... I believe that before I believe the hc is a bum, the fo are bums, all the players on offense are bums,

                                  all the coaches are bums, Lerner is a bum, the popcorn sellers are bums, the whole world....

                                  It's baloney. It's more complex than just whining. Colt made some mistakes.... big freakin deal. A lot of qb's make mistakes under pressure.

                                  I have great confidence that if Colt isn't the guy, it will be decided without ignoring the right side of the offensive line failures.

                                  The Browns WILL draft a RT, or sign a good one. Just like the Niners did. FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT BOTH ENDS OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE AND ROG.

                                  And they have the skills players. And they certainly are winning games. Come ON.

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                                    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                    i agree OL. but to say the browns aren't bad?

                                    c'mon man!

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                                      rich4eagleR rich4eagle wrote on last edited by
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                                      This thread is hilarious, mostly because most of the posters have no clue as to what is the problem

                                      it is the end zone

                                      we have no PEOPLE who threaten the end zone play by play

                                      but we have zillions invested in five OL's the last 11 years

                                      and twenty uselss DL's

                                      Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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                                        Mik - be smart enough to keep this forum about Browns football. BTW, you don't have the nads to go over and argue stupid stuff on the other board,

                                        then why complain like a sissy?

                                        Yes, I'm serious. It's the oline. The plays don't work, many times, because of the right side of the oline. Bleachreport says exactly what I've been saying...

                                        it isn't like I made it up to get attention.

                                        For instance. the Niners. They drafted their LT, FIRST ROUND, 2007.

                                        They drafted their LOG... FIRST ROUND, 2010

                                        They drafted their C/ROG in the THIRD ROUND, 2005

                                        They drafted their ROT in the FIRST FREAKIN ROUND in 2010.

                                        Excuse me, but that says you must pay attention to your offensive line. And, it's a huge reason for the Niners' success on offense.

                                        Let me ask you guys this:

                                        Even with a solid oline - and a first rounder at qb, and rb, (I think it was), a first rounder at TE, et c etc... and this oline....

                                        how do you figure they only scored 20 points on the Browns... and how the freakin do you think that the Browns kicked their arses on the goal line stand?

                                        Did Gore all of a sudden turn into a bust at rb? Or, do you think that the offensive line forgot how to block?

                                        The answer is: The Niners offensive line and Gore ran straight into our excellent defense that was playing on all cylinders on that goal line stand.

                                        It's about matchups. Colt and his wr's and his right side oline does not match up well with most, if not all, defenses they face. It isn't all on Colt, anymore

                                        than the goal line stand was all on Smith, the Niners qb.

                                        Seriously? Do you think that Colt was a bum and "held onto the ball too long" when Pashos completely whiffed on his block and McCoy got nailed

                                        in that first series?

                                        When Dan Fouts says Colt had absolutely no chance on that play.... I believe that before I believe the hc is a bum, the fo are bums, all the players on offense are bums,

                                        all the coaches are bums, Lerner is a bum, the popcorn sellers are bums, the whole world....

                                        It's baloney. It's more complex than just whining. Colt made some mistakes.... big freakin deal. A lot of qb's make mistakes under pressure.

                                        I have great confidence that if Colt isn't the guy, it will be decided without ignoring the right side of the offensive line failures.

                                        The Browns WILL draft a RT, or sign a good one. Just like the Niners did. FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT BOTH ENDS OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE AND ROG.

                                        And they have the skills players. And they certainly are winning games. Come ON.

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                                        chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        Yes, I'm serious. It's the oline. The plays don't work, many times, because of the right side of the oline. Bleachreport says exactly what I've been saying...

                                        lmao...do you even realize that the bleacherreport is composed of articles written largely by fans and not professional sports analysts (no offense mikey 🙂 )?

                                        its a chicken or the egg arguement cal....i can easily look up several OLs that are comprised of players from all rounds and undrafteds on successful teams. what you are completely missing is that there are ways to help the OL by way of schemes and playcalls. have you noticed that we are facing 8 or 9 in the box almost exculsively, or that we see as many as 7 coming on the blitz? tell me any OL that can blcok 7 Cal....

                                        so then ask yourself why we see such frequent blitzing....one reason could be that shumur is a complete nincompoop and doesnt adjust his system/scheme to max protect...he just puts alex smith on the right end and has him chip then do a pattern. the guard play has been generally unimpressive...that ill agree with....but to imply that these guys have al of a sudden forgot how to block is simply the easy way out when one cannot see why they're missing blocks. either the blocking schemes are poorly conceived or incorrectly taught....and that is a coaching problem. RB's are missing their pickups and frequently whiffing. add to all this a struggling QB who doesn't understand the system with a pop gun cannon for an arm and it further adds to the ability for defenses to cheat up with no fear of getting burned.

                                        cribbs TD was a miracle and more a terrible play by the CB rather than a good play by the QB. that ball was once again underthrown and should have been picked off....actually i cant remember a single deep pass (25+ yds) by noodles this year that was not either underthrown or a jump ball. sadly, there is only one way to fix this this year....noodles has to start beating the blitz...cause until he does, defenses are gonna blitz the living hell outta him knowing he'll rarely make them pay. i dont care if we field a line of all 1st rounders....there is no way in hell they can routinely block the number of defenders that are blitzing.

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                                          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                          rich: if you have no time because there is no blocking and you're getting sacked..how do you have time to throw?

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