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  • W why cant we win

    i agree why cant we sign someone that has fire and drive and gets in the players faces this guy is garbage maybe mccoy can do better if he was help back by this horrible play calling

    @why-cant-we-win said:

    i agree why cant we sign someone that has fire and drive and gets in the players faces this guy is garbage maybe mccoy can do better if he was help back by this horrible play calling

    Well, just being firey isn't the answer. A ton of stoic coaches have been successful. You may have heard of Paul Brown, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Bill Walsh, even good old Bill Belichick.

    But absolutely, better coaching, better play calling, better quarterbacking, better blocking, better tackling, etc. etc. are all needed.

    Who knows if this stoic coach can get all that done.

  • i really hate to say. but i agree. i didn't think he was a good choice from the beginning. and i also think mccoy isn't the answer for us as well..

  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @usfbrown said:

    Exactly. This team sucks ass top to bottom. I feel bad for Cribbs. He's been with this team so long and has done his part and his reward is nothing.

    well see I disagree with you somewhat though man. I think McCoy does have the tools to succeed, but I mean this seriously when I say that Tom Brady wouldn't be doing anything with this play-calling. I mean you can look at his numbers and say "wow he sucks", but what the hell do you want the guy to do when everyone is crowding the box and yet the play call is directly into that 10 man front? i mean 4 guys going into 10 guys is going to screw over even the best of QB's, it's simply not possible to succeed. Like I said, Little looked really good today when he actually had a chance and so did MoMass.

    @jrb12711 said:

    well see I disagree with you somewhat though man. I think McCoy does have the tools to succeed, but I mean this seriously when I say that Tom Brady wouldn't be doing anything with this play-calling. I mean you can look at his numbers and say "wow he sucks", but what the hell do you want the guy to do when everyone is crowding the box and yet the play call is directly into that 10 man front? i mean 4 guys going into 10 guys is going to screw over even the best of QB's, it's simply not possible to succeed. Like I said, Little looked really good today when he actually had a chance and so did MoMass.

    Teams will crowd the box on the Browns until we prove we can beat them over the top, which we haven't been able to do on a regular basis. Yup, running 5 yard crossing routes into a 10 man front doesn't work.

    After looking at the rewind, it about made me sick to see on one of the sacks McCoy took the Raiders sent the house on the left side (note to Ghoolie, Joe Thomas can't block four guys at once). There was an easy touchdown to be had if either of the two Browns wrs had merely broken off their route to look for a pass- there was nothing behind them but end zone. Note to Colt and Shurmur- take a hint from what made Kosar so good- throw the ball into the area the blitzers have just vacated.

    Personally I wouldn't have waited until we got back to Cleveland to fire the special teams coach- the KO return for a touchdown, and that ridiculously easy fake field goal TD cost us the game.

  • Whats even worse we had one of the top special teams guys in the NFL and we let him walk (seeley)

    San Fran is one of the tops in the league..They should have offered this guys whatever he wanted.

    I guess since he doesn't have the same agent as Holmgren,Shumer,Heckert and Jauron there was no

    way they could have kept him.Did anyone notice that the Cowboys basically shut down the most

    prolific offense and QB in the NFL..When is the last time you saw Brady look that bad..Oh yeah I

    remember now..The last coach to put a home loss on NE in the regular season was WHO..Oh yeah right.

    SO MANGINI BASICALLY GETS BAGGED SO WE CAN RUN WCO..4TH WORSE SCORING OFFENSE IN THE NFL..JUST GREAT...PATHETIC

  • Damn guys, some of you want to fire the coach after only five games? We're never going to win constantly firing the head coach and starting over again. I think Lerner is still paying Crennel and Mangini NOT to coach. The only coaching change I would be in favor of right now is if Walrus wanted to come down out of his comfy luxury box and head down to the sidelines and coach this team with Shurmur moving to OC for a year or two, but that is never going to happen.

    We had something going in the right direction with Mangini. Yeah, he sucked at running the draft, but had we simply given Mangini a good OC, kept Ryan at DC, kept Sealy at special teams, Heckert doing the drafting, and Holmgren mentoring/advising Mangini where might we be now?

    I wasn't excited about the Shurmur hire, but didn't really have a reason to be against it, other than he is another no head coaching experience guy.

  • mikeyP72 said:

    Lions go from 0-16 to a good team. It is definitely the organization that is failing not just the players. Shurmur is in over his head and needs to hire an O/C.

    Eat some humble pie douche bag you are NOT good enough to head coach and call plays.

    Andy Reid wannabe.

    How long did the transition from 0-16 to 5-1 take?

    How long are you giving the Browns?

    How many extra picks did Detroit get in the trade with Dallas?

    :neutral_face:

  • I can sympathise with you all for hatin' on Shurmur right now. His play calling is probably worse that Dabol's right now. Just horrible. And you guys are right. When teams are able to turn themselves around and are playing decent competative football after down right suckage the year before, WHY CAN'T WE EXPECT THE SAME THING? Why are we the ones that have to be satisfied with "were rebuilding" year after freakin' year. Granted were changing front offices, were changing coaches... Something has to give, something must need to be done.

    What I'm not hearing is what does Holmgren have to say? What I heard before the season is that we are in the long haul with Shurmur. I was expecting to see a very fast, and explosive WCO.... We saw some of that in the pre-season. Since then, it's been garbage... Absolute dung heapage of a team and offense. Our Defense is at least keeping us somewhat close in games.

    I'm as frustrated as you all.. but I'm tired of crap... I'm tires of garbage. If we are limiting our play calling because of McCoy and his noodle arm, than sit his arse down and put someone else in who can run this offense... Seneca for crying out loud has to be a better option than McCoy...

    I could go on for forever, but I certainly can sympathise with those that are getting very frustrated year after year.

  • I also like seneca and will probably call for him to start on about 3 more games.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • He's still gotta go

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I'm all in for Wallace. Who gives a shit at this point? The offense is just horrid. Give me someone, anyone other than Colt. Let's see how bad the offense is with someone else. Hey, if it doesn't work.......so what.....we suck either way.

  • the problem is is that mangini was trying to build an afc east team....to give us a chance in the afc north....respect the run, smash mouth big men on both lines top line defense.

    then holmgren comes in deems it an evaluation year...tears everything down and wants a speedy slant wco team when there is no players to compliment that system.

    what is he just dumb or is lerner just dumb, or both?

    totally just threw away three years. it's like a builder coming into to a job after another has been fired and rip down the foundation. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

    chocoC 1 Reply

  • the said thing is i'll probably live to see a political revolution in this country...

    but never see the browns win a super bowl.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    the problem is is that mangini was trying to build an afc east team....to give us a chance in the afc north....respect the run, smash mouth big men on both lines top line defense.

    then holmgren comes in deems it an evaluation year...tears everything down and wants a speedy slant wco team when there is no players to compliment that system.

    what is he just dumb or is lerner just dumb, or both?

    totally just threw away three years. it's like a builder coming into to a job after another has been fired and rip down the foundation. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

    @miktoxic said:

    then holmgren comes in deems it an evaluation year...tears everything down and wants a speedy slant wco team when there is no players to compliment that system.

    and the icing on the cake? bring in your lackey who is a borderline success as an OC, let him retain that job and give him the HC duties as well. so we not only have a lack of personnel to run the system effectively, we have a guy leading them who has no clue the proper way to convert to the system. the shurmur hire is a complete and utter failure on holmgrens part...i cant really blame shurmur....he's just dealing with the cards he was dealt. But fatass' lack of vision, understanding and leadership has directly led to the situation we are in now.

    so maybe this thread should be "Mike Holmgren must go", cause he totaly screwed the pooch with poor decisions since he came here. not firing mangini from the start...strike one. hiring his lackey nephew as a rookie HC instead of a qualified candidate...strike 2. not hiring an OC so said rookie HC could focus on his new job....strike 3.

    the only good thing he has done thus far is bring in heckert. beyond that, holmgren has severely disappointed and underwhelmed. when you look back at his past, its easy to see his success in this league was predicated by the superior GMs he had....its not like holmgren himself found mr farve...ron wolf did. when walrus was acting GM/VP in seattle, they sucked. it was when he was demoted to only HC and a GM was brought in that he found success. great coach, failure as a front office figurehead.

  • Can the Walrus stop doing FO tricks and actually start coaching and Shurmur be relegated to the OC position ? I dont see any other way how this team can improve if Shurmur is still there !!!

  • i will give up my browns pledge pin if holmgren says he's headed to the sidelines. xxxx that!!!!

  • Back again week after week. I will continue to bump this thread until they bring us the head of pat shurmur on a plate

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    Back again week after week. I will continue to bump this thread until they bring us the head of pat shurmur on a plate

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Back again week after week. I will continue to bump this thread until they bring us the head of pat shurmur on a plate

    Thank You. Please keep doing that.

    T 1 Reply

  • Keep wishing...we're stuck with him....for a while

  • R roach

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Back again week after week. I will continue to bump this thread until they bring us the head of pat shurmur on a plate

    Thank You. Please keep doing that.

    @roach said:

    Thank You. Please keep doing that.

    You're welcome

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Zombo said:

    I agree with the masses. Fire Shurmur by 11 am tomorrow and move on. A real leader recognizes his mistake and cures it quickly. Time to recognize, Holmgren.

    Z

    Surely u mean time to recognize, LERNER !!!!!

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