Shurmur
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As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
How can you follow through with a plan when you have a coach calling a conservative game plan when he's getting the tar beat out of him? Keep the score down?
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As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
fxxk that!! you fxxkin holmgren douches have to realize he's waaaaay done/irrelevant/pasae.
it was alright to bash the mangini regime and now you homers want stability?
lerner has no balls, let alone holmgren and shurmur.
keep heckert and everyone else gets flushed down the toilet like the pieces of shit they are.
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we cant start over. keep moving forward. build on our semi-strong foundation (tentatively semi-strong) lol
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As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
How can you follow through with a plan when you have a coach calling a conservative game plan when he's getting the tar beat out of him? Keep the score down?
How can you follow through with a plan when you have a coach calling a conservative game plan when he's getting the tar beat out of him? Keep the score down?
I don't know the answer, but I do know changing regime's every year or two isn't the answer. I was never in favor of firing Mangini, and never had a warm feeling about Shurmur or Holmgren. I thought Heckert and Mangini would be excellent together.
I believe our offense is really being held back right now because of all the first year players that are starting. My theory is he wants to keep it as simple as possible so there not thinking and just playing. They won't come out and say it but I really think they think this season is a wash. No offseason and all the turnover in coaching and players, I really believe they just want to establish and execute the most basic WCO they can, and learn to perfect that, and build onto that next year. Lavaou, Pinkston, Hardesty, Marecic, Little, McCoy all have less that a year starting experience, its hard to do anything other than the most basic gameplan when half your lineup are basically rookies. The good thing is next year they'll have the experience from this year to build on in the same system together and expand it and have a full offseason to do so.
I've been very critical of McCoy lately, really unfairly on my part due to my frustrations. But I really do believe he can and will be a good QB. But due to the age and experience of everybody around him its gonna take time. If they keep this thing together, add a couple playmakers in the draft and add wrinkles and shifts and hotroutes and checks to the basic gameplan we have this year. Their experience this year trying to execute basic plays will be extremely valuable when all that is in place.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
As bad as we look right now, there's no way in hell I'm starting all over again. Forget about it, I want stability, lets actually follow through with a plan for once.
Amen...as bad as I hate whats goin on every sunday I'm tired of the rotating doorway that will have us at the bottom of the barrel guaranteed...
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so lets keep a horrible coach to maintain continuity, that way we continually...suck. great xxxxing plan....
so lets keep a horrible coach to maintain continuity, that way we continually...suck. great xxxxing plan....
Hows 6 coaches in 12 years working out for us. Believe it or not the same way players get better with experience so do coaches. You know how many great coaches have came and went through Cleveland because they "sucked" and go on to be excellent coaches. For the love of god, get behind somebody for once.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
and now all the old "i was never in favor firing mangini" mugs come on here and say "oh i never wanted that" when they were the ones screaming for his head.
how do you feel now, Aholes?
daboll (even though i don't like him) today looked like a genius play-caller. mangini on espn within 30 secs of analyzing a game makes holgren AND shurmur look like nose-pickin scrubs that got lucky by association.
c'mon geniuses, where you at? remember i got a list of all you mofos. start eatin' it.
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so lets keep a horrible coach to maintain continuity, that way we continually...suck. great xxxxing plan....
Hows 6 coaches in 12 years working out for us. Believe it or not the same way players get better with experience so do coaches. You know how many great coaches have came and went through Cleveland because they "sucked" and go on to be excellent coaches. For the love of god, get behind somebody for once.
Hows 6 coaches in 12 years working out for us. Believe it or not the same way players get better with experience so do coaches. You know how many great coaches have came and went through Cleveland because they "sucked" and go on to be excellent coaches. For the love of god, get behind somebody for once.
yeah. i was behind the regime last year. AND YOU??
why does it have to be your pick as a coach for us to get behind?
but i'll take it as YOU liked the shurmur hire. good job.
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Don't know what you been reading but I've NEVER once said fire Mangini, I supported him Daboll and Ryan when 90% of you were calling for their heads. And I'm not gonna call for Shurmurs head either, I want to see a plan followed through to the end. We've had a revolving door since the team came back in 99, thats gotten us nothing. Stability is the only thing thats gonna get this team on the right track right now.
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it hasn't....but you think a guy with enough common sense to try establishing the run in the 3rd Q after we're down 21 points is gonna suddenly become intelligent?
how many of those 6 coaches have had success once they left here?
it hasn't....but you think a guy with enough common sense to try establishing the run in the 3rd Q after we're down 21 points is gonna suddenly become intelligent?
how many of those 6 coaches have had success once they left here?
I don't think any of them have had another shot at another head coaching gig except Butch Davis, but that was college. That's not really the point though. If your only giving a new head coach two years to turn around an already bad team, its never gonna get better because your gonna continue to have a massive turnover of players to fit the next coaches schemes. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens can just insert a young first year head coach and win because they have a core franchise plan that they follow and they get a coach that believes in that plan. So they don't have the turnover in players, they stick to their belief's and find coaches with the same belief's.
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it hasn't....but you think a guy with enough common sense to try establishing the run in the 3rd Q after we're down 21 points is gonna suddenly become intelligent?
how many of those 6 coaches have had success once they left here?
I don't think any of them have had another shot at another head coaching gig except Butch Davis, but that was college. That's not really the point though. If your only giving a new head coach two years to turn around an already bad team, its never gonna get better because your gonna continue to have a massive turnover of players to fit the next coaches schemes. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens can just insert a young first year head coach and win because they have a core franchise plan that they follow and they get a coach that believes in that plan. So they don't have the turnover in players, they stick to their belief's and find coaches with the same belief's.
I don't think any of them have had another shot at another head coaching gig except Butch Davis, but that was college. That's not really the point though. If your only giving a new head coach two years to turn around an already bad team, its never gonna get better because your gonna continue to have a massive turnover of players to fit the next coaches schemes. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens can just insert a young first year head coach and win because they have a core franchise plan that they follow and they get a coach that believes in that plan. So they don't have the turnover in players, they stick to their belief's and find coaches with the same belief's.
yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
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I don't think any of them have had another shot at another head coaching gig except Butch Davis, but that was college. That's not really the point though. If your only giving a new head coach two years to turn around an already bad team, its never gonna get better because your gonna continue to have a massive turnover of players to fit the next coaches schemes. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens can just insert a young first year head coach and win because they have a core franchise plan that they follow and they get a coach that believes in that plan. So they don't have the turnover in players, they stick to their belief's and find coaches with the same belief's.
yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
Since Lerner doesn't have a core belief or even a clue about football, I'm gonna say yes. Holmgren has very stong belief's in what he want's and has put people in place to execute them. Whether the plan will be successful will have to wait and see, but atleast there is a plan and everybody in the organization know's what he want's and is on the same page.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I don't think any of them have had another shot at another head coaching gig except Butch Davis, but that was college. That's not really the point though. If your only giving a new head coach two years to turn around an already bad team, its never gonna get better because your gonna continue to have a massive turnover of players to fit the next coaches schemes. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens can just insert a young first year head coach and win because they have a core franchise plan that they follow and they get a coach that believes in that plan. So they don't have the turnover in players, they stick to their belief's and find coaches with the same belief's.
yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
hated the Holmgren hire he was a great coach and a terrible GM.. Told my buddies when he hired Pat, " this is the hire that gets Holmgren fired."
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yeah but those owners want to win. they weren't just given a team by birthright, decided they couldn't do anything right themselves, hire some fat floozy who had one foot out the door already and let them have free reign to hire family and friends.
no. they have everything invested in their team and WANT to win and they've been there forever.
so you think that lerner hiring holmgren was a good move?
Since Lerner doesn't have a core belief or even a clue about football, I'm gonna say yes. Holmgren has very stong belief's in what he want's and has put people in place to execute them. Whether the plan will be successful will have to wait and see, but atleast there is a plan and everybody in the organization know's what he want's and is on the same page.
Since Lerner doesn't have a core belief or even a clue about football, I'm gonna say yes. Holmgren has very stong belief's in what he want's and has put people in place to execute them. Whether the plan will be successful will have to wait and see, but atleast there is a plan and everybody in the organization know's what he want's and is on the same page.
what's the timetable when we as fans or those that have executive power can decide whether or not his plan has worked? we give one guy a five year plan but pull him two. another a five year plan and pull him three.
what side of the browns' fan fence gets to decide on whether or not not to give one guy an extra year as oppossed to the other guy getting only one?
what you guys wear bright orange pants or something?
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