Colt Mccoy And The O-Line Myth
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meh some numbers can be misleading. You need to look at how much time he has had to trow the ball this season compared to last.
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meh some numbers can be misleading. You need to look at how much time he has had to trow the ball this season compared to last.
meh some numbers can be misleading. You need to look at how much time he has had to trow the ball this season compared to last.
Exactly. Teams are blitzing the Browns a lot more this year than last year. Our offense is so predictable that defenses can afford to all out blitz and not get burned. All they have to defend is the short pass and runs up the middle.
We really need to see the stats on how many times Colt has been "hurried" this year compared to last. And watch the replay of every TD pass McCoy has thrown this year (or even any play over 20+ yards). McCoy is either throwing out of the shotgun, or rolling out to his right. Why can't Shurmur understand that? I realize most of McCoy's picks have come from him rolling to his right too, but we are just so content with having McCoy start under center and watching him get hit as soon as he drops back..
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I'm not here to absolve the O-line of responsibility. But Colt McCoy has been sacked 20 times this year versus 23 times last year. He has started 8 games this year and 8 games last year. He has also been sacked LESS this year despite having MORE pass attempts.
So lack of protection is not likely the main cause of our offensive problems this year. Considering that are wide receivers are the same as last year, the lack of production is most likely due to one or more of the following:
1. Colt McCoy himself.
2. Pat Shurmur and terrible play calling.
3. Lack of run game (injuries to RBs and E. Stienbach)
I'm not here to absolve the O-line of responsibility. But Colt McCoy has been sacked 20 times this year versus 23 times last year. He has started 8 games this year and 8 games last year. He has also been sacked LESS this year despite having MORE pass attempts.
So lack of protection is not likely the main cause of our offensive problems this year. Considering that are wide receivers are the same as last year, the lack of production is most likely due to one or more of the following:
1. Colt McCoy himself.
2. Pat Shurmur and terrible play calling.
3. Lack of run game (injuries to RBs and E. Stienbach)
I'm not yet ready to indict Colt or Shurmur, so I'll go with #3..We need a playmaker at RB for opponents to fear & the ONLY one on this roster with a chance of being that is Cribbs (possibly Smith given his speed). Until we field a legitimate threat at RB, who can burn a defense at any time, teams are going to tee off on Colt & we will continue not really knowing WHAT play was called as there is no way for it to develop. Last year we had Hillis to help keep defenses honest...this year, literally nothing. The draft should be interesting in 2012.
Mike
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yep. running a rigid WCO system is dumb.
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I'm not here to absolve the O-line of responsibility. But Colt McCoy has been sacked 20 times this year versus 23 times last year. He has started 8 games this year and 8 games last year. He has also been sacked LESS this year despite having MORE pass attempts.
So lack of protection is not likely the main cause of our offensive problems this year. Considering that are wide receivers are the same as last year, the lack of production is most likely due to one or more of the following:
1. Colt McCoy himself.
2. Pat Shurmur and terrible play calling.
3. Lack of run game (injuries to RBs and E. Stienbach)
I'm not yet ready to indict Colt or Shurmur, so I'll go with #3..We need a playmaker at RB for opponents to fear & the ONLY one on this roster with a chance of being that is Cribbs (possibly Smith given his speed). Until we field a legitimate threat at RB, who can burn a defense at any time, teams are going to tee off on Colt & we will continue not really knowing WHAT play was called as there is no way for it to develop. Last year we had Hillis to help keep defenses honest...this year, literally nothing. The draft should be interesting in 2012.
Mike
I'm not yet ready to indict Colt or Shurmur, so I'll go with #3..We need a playmaker at RB for opponents to fear & the ONLY one on this roster with a chance of being that is Cribbs (possibly Smith given his speed). Until we field a legitimate threat at RB, who can burn a defense at any time, teams are going to tee off on Colt & we will continue not really knowing WHAT play was called as there is no way for it to develop. Last year we had Hillis to help keep defenses honest...this year, literally nothing. The draft should be interesting in 2012.
Mike
even adrian peterson couldn't run on this team.
the defenses we face are just stacking the box knowing that we have no threat in the passing game.
this is where i'll differ with some thinking that our OL needs real help either thru the draft or FA. i actually think it's probably the most important part of the offense. without blocking/pass protection the best QBs and RBs couldn't function.
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even adrian peterson couldn't run on this team.
the defenses we face are just stacking the box knowing that we have no threat in the passing game.
this is where i'll differ with some thinking that our OL needs real help either thru the draft or FA. i actually think it's probably the most important part of the offense. without blocking/pass protection the best QBs and RBs couldn't function. Mik
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EXACTLY.
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How about all of the above? I did notice on the rewind, given time McCoy is usually pretty accurate.
How about all of the above? I did notice on the rewind, given time McCoy is usually pretty accurate.
Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
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even adrian peterson couldn't run on this team.
the defenses we face are just stacking the box knowing that we have no threat in the passing game.
this is where i'll differ with some thinking that our OL needs real help either thru the draft or FA. i actually think it's probably the most important part of the offense. without blocking/pass protection the best QBs and RBs couldn't function. Mik
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EXACTLY.
even adrian peterson couldn't run on this team.
the defenses we face are just stacking the box knowing that we have no threat in the passing game.
this is where i'll differ with some thinking that our OL needs real help either thru the draft or FA. i actually think it's probably the most important part of the offense. without blocking/pass protection the best QBs and RBs couldn't function. Mik
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EXACTLY.
I made it clear last year we had no offensive weapons and Hilis was a half season fluke. I emphasized the lack of field stretchers and playmakers at the receiving position, further I made it clear we needed to get either Green or Jones whichever was standing when picked. Instead we stupidly traded down instead of taking Jones and took another fat slob lineman. It seems no matter whom is running this team we keep making the same dumb mistakes. BTW, Peterson would be as effective on this team as he is at Minnesota because they have zippo offensively even less than us, except for that stud, whom we also passed on for a lineman to get us nowhere
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even adrian peterson couldn't run on this team.
the defenses we face are just stacking the box knowing that we have no threat in the passing game.
this is where i'll differ with some thinking that our OL needs real help either thru the draft or FA. i actually think it's probably the most important part of the offense. without blocking/pass protection the best QBs and RBs couldn't function. Mik
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EXACTLY.
I made it clear last year we had no offensive weapons and Hilis was a half season fluke. I emphasized the lack of field stretchers and playmakers at the receiving position, further I made it clear we needed to get either Green or Jones whichever was standing when picked. Instead we stupidly traded down instead of taking Jones and took another fat slob lineman. It seems no matter whom is running this team we keep making the same dumb mistakes. BTW, Peterson would be as effective on this team as he is at Minnesota because they have zippo offensively even less than us, except for that stud, whom we also passed on for a lineman to get us nowhere
I made it clear last year we had no offensive weapons and Hilis was a half season fluke. I emphasized the lack of field stretchers and playmakers at the receiving position, further I made it clear we needed to get either Green or Jones whichever was standing when picked. Instead we stupidly traded down instead of taking Jones and took another fat slob lineman. It seems no matter whom is running this team we keep making the same dumb mistakes. BTW, Peterson would be as effective on this team as he is at Minnesota because they have zippo offensively even less than us, except for that stud, whom we also passed on for a lineman to get us nowhere
You can't hate on the Atlanta trade until we see who the Browns draft next year with Atlanta's 1st and 4th rounders..
And you don't think Peterson has been effective this year? 800 yards rushing (out of Minnesota's 1200 total) and 9 TD's seems a lot better than the Browns 600 yards and 2 TD's. If Minnesota had zippo offensively and was worse on offense than the Browns, why are they ranked 18th in total offense while the Browns are 31st? The Vikings offense has averaged 21.5 pts per game compared to the Browns 14.9. More proof you have no idea what you are talking about.
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How about all of the above? I did notice on the rewind, given time McCoy is usually pretty accurate.
Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Rich,
While I do NOT agree with you on the OL being "a dime a dozen", I DO wholeheartedly agree that we have no playmakers to scare defenses, slow the week in/week out blitzing Colt is having to deal with, & create a more liveable & successful environment for our O-line. The ONLY play maker the Browns now have is Cribbs & I think if he was at RB, things might improve somewhat. Looking forward to the draft, we need O-linemen, but we need playmakers FIRST. I also would like to see a successful veteran WR on the field to help our young receivers along & teach by example.
Mike
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How about all of the above? I did notice on the rewind, given time McCoy is usually pretty accurate.
Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
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Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
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So you want him to throw ints, and out of bounds every play.
Got it.
Baloney.
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So you want him to throw ints, and out of bounds every play.
Got it.
Baloney.
You obviously don't know much about football plays, or have never even played Madden. When the defense brings 6 guys and you send out 5, that usually means everyone will be covered 1 on 1 with no additional help. It the QBs job to exploit that situation and get rid of the ball quickly before the free blitzing defender can get to him. This puts pressure on the defense. When the defense blitzes a good QB makes them pay.
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Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
Well, as I understand it, in Shurmur's offense there is no such thing as a "Hot Receiver"....so there are no "hot reads" for McCoy to make.
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You obviously don't understand football, either, then....
because my point was, that to make the defense pay, you
MUST have an outlet. The only wr the Browns have, who can
do that quickly, is Little. And he gets double coverage on passing downs
often. But not even Little can get open 1.5 seconds after the ball is snapped.
The Browns don't have a blazing downfield threat that can get open before Colt gets
slammed into the turf, or has to take off to avoid the rush.
Perhaps you missed the play last week - the blitz was on, and Colt
had to throw way early... and he threw downfield in a high arc, at the sideline,
where Little made a fantastic catch.
You just don't expect to make that work every down. On all sorts of plays, Colt doesn't have THAT much time.
Who the hell does Colt throw to when he can't even take two steps before getting slammed into,
and nobody is open?
Come on, man. Colt isn't perfect at all, but seriously? You don't see the right side of the oline collapsing on the snap of the ball?
I have seen defensive LINEMEN cover some of Colts targets.
The right side of the oline is so weak, you can't even run a lot of plays. The defenses know that. They also know that Little is Colt's only legit threat.
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