Pioli and Ferentz?
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Not sure why a coach from the down trodden Big Ten at a middle of the road school with a middle of the road record is on the radar for NFL head coaching job.
I'll need to learn more for it to do anything for me. Very successful college coaches have failed in the NFL (Erickson, Davis, Sabin, etc.), so why is this guy worth looking at?
Help me.
Not sure why a coach from the down trodden Big Ten at a middle of the road school with a middle of the road record is on the radar for NFL head coaching job.
I'll need to learn more for it to do anything for me. Very successful college coaches have failed in the NFL (Erickson, Davis, Sabin, etc.), so why is this guy worth looking at?
Help me.
Because Pioli and him are boys, it's that simple.
When you have been through the ringer with one another as young up and comers, that tends to stick in the mind.
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Interesting:
It basically says Pioli is ours for the taking...but it likely means we get Ferentz as the HC (not McDaniels).
I don't know much about Ferentz, or his ties in the coaching community, so have no idea what that would mean for the OC/DC positions.
I read that too in my search of all the Boston media outlets this morning. It's pretty interesting if you look at all the talent the early 1990's Browns had here including Savage, Kirk Ferentz as OL coach, Jim Schwartz, Pioli and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Edit: Ozzie, Nick Saban etc..
I read that too in my search of all the Boston media outlets this morning. It's pretty interesting if you look at all the talent the early 1990's Browns had here including Savage, Kirk Ferentz as OL coach, Jim Schwartz, Pioli and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Edit: Ozzie, Nick Saban etc..
Yes, looking back at the Belichick years, his coaching and front office staff was unreal. Ferentz, Savage, Nick Saban, Pioli, Schwartz. . . wasn't Crennel involved at one point? Ozzie Newsome was working there at that time, too, I think. There's more, I believe.
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I read that too in my search of all the Boston media outlets this morning. It's pretty interesting if you look at all the talent the early 1990's Browns had here including Savage, Kirk Ferentz as OL coach, Jim Schwartz, Pioli and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Edit: Ozzie, Nick Saban etc..
Yes, looking back at the Belichick years, his coaching and front office staff was unreal. Ferentz, Savage, Nick Saban, Pioli, Schwartz. . . wasn't Crennel involved at one point? Ozzie Newsome was working there at that time, too, I think. There's more, I believe.
Yes, looking back at the Belichick years, his coaching and front office staff was unreal. Ferentz, Savage, Nick Saban, Pioli, Schwartz. . . wasn't Crennel involved at one point? Ozzie Newsome was working there at that time, too, I think. There's more, I believe.
Yea I was looking at old team photos. Jim Bates as well. Al Groh.
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I read that too in my search of all the Boston media outlets this morning. It's pretty interesting if you look at all the talent the early 1990's Browns had here including Savage, Kirk Ferentz as OL coach, Jim Schwartz, Pioli and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Edit: Ozzie, Nick Saban etc..
Yes, looking back at the Belichick years, his coaching and front office staff was unreal. Ferentz, Savage, Nick Saban, Pioli, Schwartz. . . wasn't Crennel involved at one point? Ozzie Newsome was working there at that time, too, I think. There's more, I believe.
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Not sure why a coach from the down trodden Big Ten at a middle of the road school with a middle of the road record is on the radar for NFL head coaching job.
I'll need to learn more for it to do anything for me. Very successful college coaches have failed in the NFL (Erickson, Davis, Sabin, etc.), so why is this guy worth looking at?
Help me.
Because Pioli and him are boys, it's that simple.
When you have been through the ringer with one another as young up and comers, that tends to stick in the mind.
Because Pioli and him are boys, it's that simple.
When you have been through the ringer with one another as young up and comers, that tends to stick in the mind.
I get that part. Human nature stuff there.
I just don't get why the Browns, +/- Pioli, would consider him. The "laid back" thing gives me a uneasy Wade Phillips feeling.
What football info is out there to say he's the man for the job?
I'd put McDaniels, Schartz and Mangini ahead of him on my list. An Iowa coach who the alumni are unhappy with just doesn't ring true.
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Ferentz may be one of the best offensive line coaches in football. But, I'm not overly impressed after that. I know it isn't very easy to recruit into Iowa, but there offensive scheme is very basic and he doesn't play a real attacking defense.
He's sort of bland.
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Obviously the GM and coach should get along, and if Pioli is going to be the GM, it's important to bring in his guy, otherwise you're just going to get three years of head-butting followed by another complete rebuild. That said, I'm very uneasy about Ferentz. Again, Robert Gallery is his greatest achievement at Iowa.
McDaniels sounds good, but he could very easy fall victim to "Belle of the Ball" syndrome (see Rod Chudzinski, Jason Garrett, etc.)--it's always appealing to have the young, energetic, photogenic, whatever adjective you want to apply, assistant coach to be the face of the franchise, but what does the pretty boy do when the team loses two in a row? What does he do when Edwards drops three passes in a row? What does he do when Winslow says that he's not getting the ball enough?
Think about a guy like Lane Kiffin. Obviously as a Vols fan I hope he turns out great, but what abilities has he shown as a head coach other than calling timeouts at the end of a game, blaming his boss for problems, and hiring relatives as assistant coaches. Can he develop a QB? Can he convince a group of 18-22 year olds that they can hang with Alabama and Florida? Can he convince himself that they can hang with Alabama and Florida? Can he convince anyone that he isn't the coach of just half of the team--that is, is there anyone who thinks that he's going to disagree with anything his dad does, much less pull rank on him?
Dennis
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Ferentz may be one of the best offensive line coaches in football. But, I'm not overly impressed after that. I know it isn't very easy to recruit into Iowa, but there offensive scheme is very basic and he doesn't play a real attacking defense.
He's sort of bland.
Ferentz may be one of the best offensive line coaches in football. But, I'm not overly impressed after that. I know it isn't very easy to recruit into Iowa, but there offensive scheme is very basic and he doesn't play a real attacking defense.
He's sort of bland.
And now, unfortunately, he appears to be the clear frontrunner.
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It's not as if he has top flight players to go with that middle of the road record at Iowa. He has a respectable record considering his recruiting disadvantages.
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The one thing I'll throw out. . . some coaches are good in the NFL and bad in college. Some are great in college and bad in the NFL. We've seen both sides of that coin. Perhaps Ferentz might be one of the "Good in the NFL, no so much in Colleg" types. He had success in the NFL, and certainly left everyone with a good impression. He's done somewhat mediocre in College. Maybe the NFL is his Niche?
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The one thing I'll throw out. . . some coaches are good in the NFL and bad in college. Some are great in college and bad in the NFL. We've seen both sides of that coin. Perhaps Ferentz might be one of the "Good in the NFL, no so much in Colleg" types. He had success in the NFL, and certainly left everyone with a good impression. He's done somewhat mediocre in College. Maybe the NFL is his Niche?
The one thing I'll throw out. . . some coaches are good in the NFL and bad in college. Some are great in college and bad in the NFL. We've seen both sides of that coin. Perhaps Ferentz might be one of the "Good in the NFL, no so much in Colleg" types. He had success in the NFL, and certainly left everyone with a good impression. He's done somewhat mediocre in College. Maybe the NFL is his Niche?
I freakin hope so for everyone's sake....
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Wow I guess he should be going undefeated at Iowa? even though his teams play OSU, Michigan, Penn State every year? Even though he has a severe recruitment disadvantage? Not only does he have to recruit against other big ten teams, he has to recruit against the big 12.
He's coached Iowa to two big ten co-championships with players that weren't good enough tobe drafted in the early rounds
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The one thing I'll throw out. . . some coaches are good in the NFL and bad in college. Some are great in college and bad in the NFL. We've seen both sides of that coin. Perhaps Ferentz might be one of the "Good in the NFL, no so much in Colleg" types. He had success in the NFL, and certainly left everyone with a good impression. He's done somewhat mediocre in College. Maybe the NFL is his Niche?
The one thing I'll throw out. . . some coaches are good in the NFL and bad in college. Some are great in college and bad in the NFL. We've seen both sides of that coin. Perhaps Ferentz might be one of the "Good in the NFL, no so much in Colleg" types. He had success in the NFL, and certainly left everyone with a good impression. He's done somewhat mediocre in College. Maybe the NFL is his Niche?
True (see Davis, Butch). That said, That's a pretty hook to hang your hat on...sure, I'm 16 games over .500 in ten years--and have lost five games three of the past four years (with one game left in a four-loss season this year)--but hey, you can't expect much when recruiting in Iowa. And besides, a lot of mediocre college coaches have been really good in the pros. That's all well and good, but none of that proves anything with regards to Ferentz. Sometimes a coach of a mediocre team is mediocre himself.
Dennis
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Wow I guess he should be going undefeated at Iowa? even though his teams play OSU, Michigan, Penn State every year? Even though he has a severe recruitment disadvantage? Not only does he have to recruit against other big ten teams, he has to recruit against the big 12.
He's coached Iowa to two big ten co-championships with players that weren't good enough tobe drafted in the early rounds
Wow I guess he should be going undefeated at Iowa? even though his teams play OSU, Michigan, Penn State every year? Even though he has a severe recruitment disadvantage? Not only does he have to recruit against other big ten teams, he has to recruit against the big 12.
He's coached Iowa to two big ten co-championships with players that weren't good enough tobe drafted in the early rounds
Good points! But you have to understand why promoting a college coach scares me a bit...
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Wow I guess he should be going undefeated at Iowa? even though his teams play OSU, Michigan, Penn State every year? Even though he has a severe recruitment disadvantage? Not only does he have to recruit against other big ten teams, he has to recruit against the big 12.
He's coached Iowa to two big ten co-championships with players that weren't good enough tobe drafted in the early rounds
Good points! But you have to understand why promoting a college coach scares me a bit...
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Maybe it's simply Lerner not spending what's needed ?
Save on HC but spend on GM ? Ferentz not on anyone's radar probably means he's not expensive either, so if Piloi is, this could be Lerner's way to provide more offer to Piloi, therefore he's not having to dig any deeper.
In any event, with ferentz I feel we'd have to have too much faith in the managing and allow less in coaching.
Isn't that sort of what we just got done with ?
Not having a great feeling about this combo and 2009 season.
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I've made my reservations about Ferentz known, but if he gets the job, it's not necessarily a matter of Lerner being cheap. Apart from Cowher, who exactly is the candidate that would require driving a truck full of money to his door? Besides, as John Harbaugh, Tony Sparano, and Mike Smith showed this year, the sexy/expensive pick is not necessarily the right one to get the team turned around.
Dennis
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Maybe it's simply Lerner not spending what's needed ?
Save on HC but spend on GM ? Ferentz not on anyone's radar probably means he's not expensive either, so if Piloi is, this could be Lerner's way to provide more offer to Piloi, therefore he's not having to dig any deeper.
In any event, with ferentz I feel we'd have to have too much faith in the managing and allow less in coaching.
Isn't that sort of what we just got done with ?
Not having a great feeling about this combo and 2009 season.
Maybe it's simply Lerner not spending what's needed ?
Save on HC but spend on GM ? Ferentz not on anyone's radar probably means he's not expensive either, so if Piloi is, this could be Lerner's way to provide more offer to Piloi, therefore he's not having to dig any deeper.
In any event, with ferentz I feel we'd have to have too much faith in the managing and allow less in coaching.
Isn't that sort of what we just got done with ?
Not having a great feeling about this combo and 2009 season.
I'd say that Ferentz would cost more then the coordinators they intend to interview so I don't think it's about saving money. It will be Pioli's choice. No matter who he picks as HC, it is about your staff. My problem would be who would Ferentz bring in as coordinators. What kind of NFL contacts does he have.
Personally, I don't like it, but Ferentz is the report that is coming out of Boston, not here. It was just announced that the Browns will interview Mangini for the HC job. Also, Lerner said that McDaniel will get an interview as will Schwartz.
I don't see Ferentz as the front runner......................I hope.
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