Congress Has Declared Pizza A Vegetable
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Besides pepperoni and cheese what else is in pizza? Copper?
Ps big mama likely knows pizza.....
WSS
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onions, peppers, anchovies (my favorite), mushrooms, chicken, pineapple, bacon, sausage, olives (the black rotten kind often),
it isn't lunches that's making kids obese.
Anything to avoid talking about Obamao's failures.
Meanwhile, Michelle Obamao feeds her hateful, dishonest mug with fat city crap, but
everybody else should learn to do what she says, not what she does.
She's a dirtier dirtbag than Obamao.
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flour, oil, eggs, yeast
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onions, peppers, anchovies (my favorite), mushrooms, chicken, pineapple, bacon, sausage, olives (the black rotten kind often),
it isn't lunches that's making kids obese.
Anything to avoid talking about Obamao's failures.
Meanwhile, Michelle Obamao feeds her hateful, dishonest mug with fat city crap, but
everybody else should learn to do what she says, not what she does.
She's a dirtier dirtbag than Obamao.
onions, peppers, anchovies (my favorite), mushrooms, chicken, pineapple, bacon, sausage, olives (the black rotten kind often),
it isn't lunches that's making kids obese.
What kids are eating doesn't make them obese? No.
Yes, their obesefuck parents don't give a shit what they eat and just perpetuate the problem, but the lunches filled with fat fuck and sodium aren't helping for a healthier future. All the chicks are gonna be fat. I'm totally paying my loans off, then taking the paycut, and moving to Brazil or Sweden.
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SOPA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
It's ass backwards, vaguely worded, and has the same ramifications that the Obama administration got its panties in a bunch about as China's blocking of internet websites.
Here's a list of corporations who support it.
http://www.theglobalipcenter.com/sites/default/files/pressreleases/letter-359.pdf
here's a shorter list of corporations who don't.
Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, and Wikimedia Foundation, the Brookings Institution and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders,[70] the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU and Human Rights Watch.
Seeing as how $$$ > votes, there's no way this isn't going to pass. Most of the population is too stupid to care about it, so again, looks like Huxley was right.
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Hey if the food stamp money goes for Cheetos and orange soday who cares what they eat for lunch?
Pizza is a fairly balanced food.
I'd like to see the food stams program switched to vouchers for actual foods. Tomatoes, meat, veggies, beans, cheese, milk etc from local farms.
Better for you and cheaper than processed shit from the freezer or the snack aisle.
And (if you can) cut down on the practice of swapping food stamps for cash.
Buut basically I have no beef with sporting somebody a little chow.
WSS
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Vapor,
Its simple, it takes a lot of money to create content and IP, EVERY company against SOPA benefits from distributing content and IP they dont pay for or create.
Every company that is for it has to pay to create, organize, and distribute IP and content.
This is NOT about censorship, that is just what Google and others who monetize from distributing IP have framed the argument. This is about the right to make money by distributing what is not theirs and enriching themselves while the companies who have to pay for it are trying to protect their investments.
Dont be fooled by what is framed as a fight for "freedom" this is all about money.
Consumers want great content but naturally want it for the lowest cost possible because its not their problem to pay for it or create it. Google and the others know this and have framed the argument accordingly.
Media companies are "evil" and the companies who use the "cloud" to supply the selfish demands of the consumers are "good" and fighting for "freedom"
Its all BS... its all about money and using talking points based upon focus group produced PR talking points to shape the general publics perception.
Full Disclosure, I have interest and work with both sides of the fight. Dont buy the hype from either side Vapor, neither side cares about the public or freedom all they care about is how they make revenue and protecting that mechanism.
Personally I think Google and others are wrong regardless of what consumers want, distributors have the responsibility if they enrich themselves to not infringe upon creators of original content unless they have made an agreement.
Google, AOL, Yahoo, Facebook and others are VERY protective or their original content and creations (look at their patents/rights to use clauses EULA's etc) yet they are very free to distribute others content which is totally hypocritical.
economic Innovation is only possible BECAUSE of IP protections....... one side uses that and tries to benefits by talking and acting out of both sides of their mouths.
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Fuck that. This is the same type of thing as the Great Firewall of China. It will allow the US government to block certain websites from being accessed in the country. The MPAA and RIAA business models are obsolete and this is a desperate last chance to try and hang on to it when it clearly hasn't been working for the past 15 years. The government should not be allowed to prevent people from accessing websites they deem inappropriate.
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Hey if the food stamp money goes for Cheetos and orange soday who cares what they eat for lunch?
Pizza is a fairly balanced food.
I'd like to see the food stams program switched to vouchers for actual foods. Tomatoes, meat, veggies, beans, cheese, milk etc from local farms.
Better for you and cheaper than processed shit from the freezer or the snack aisle.
And (if you can) cut down on the practice of swapping food stamps for cash.
Buut basically I have no beef with sporting somebody a little chow.
WSS
Hey if the food stamp money goes for Cheetos and orange soday who cares what they eat for lunch?
Pizza is a fairly balanced food.
I'd like to see the food stams program switched to vouchers for actual foods. Tomatoes, meat, veggies, beans, cheese, milk etc from local farms.
Better for you and cheaper than processed shit from the freezer or the snack aisle.
And (if you can) cut down on the practice of swapping food stamps for cash.
Buut basically I have no beef with sporting somebody a little chow.
WSS
Eating fresh and local isn't cheaper than eating cheap and frozen. That's where you've got this wrong. It's healthier, sure. But Food Stamps only provide people with an average of $4.50 a day for food. But if you want to run a program like the one you're talking about you're going to need A) more money for food stamps
more regulations and C) more government employees to monitor food stamp users and food producers. You want to crack down on abuses, you have to hire even more.Point being, if you're looking to hire people to save the government money, hiring them to chase down poor people who might trade their food stamps for small amounts of cash is pretty stupid, when you can hire an IRS or SEC agent who could find tax cheats or investment fraud and save the government millions. I guess it just depends on how obsessed you are with poor people scamming enough money to buy a fifth of Old Crow. As far as policy is concerned, it's not exactly at the top of the list of government abuses.
Also, pizza shouldn't be considered a vegetable. Let's get back to reality.
I love pizza. I think kids should have pizza. I think it's fine for schools to offer pizza for lunch every once in a while. But it's not a vegetable. That's just agribusiness leaning in on members of Congress to make it so, so that they can keep selling schools their frozen gunk. Doesn't mean we have to think it, too.
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Fuck that. This is the same type of thing as the Great Firewall of China. It will allow the US government to block certain websites from being accessed in the country. The MPAA and RIAA business models are obsolete and this is a desperate last chance to try and hang on to it when it clearly hasn't been working for the past 15 years. The government should not be allowed to prevent people from accessing websites they deem inappropriate.
Fuck that. This is the same type of thing as the Great Firewall of China. It will allow the US government to block certain websites from being accessed in the country. The MPAA and RIAA business models are obsolete and this is a desperate last chance to try and hang on to it when it clearly hasn't been working for the past 15 years. The government should not be allowed to prevent people from accessing websites they deem inappropriate.
Wow Vapor, you have bought the PR talking points hook, line and sinker.
First let me ask you some questions about the Great Wall of China.... argument.
Is China's policy negatively affecting technology startups and growth in China?
What is the "internet"? and what role does government have in the "internet"?
I see you chose not to talk about content theft and IP protection as the basis of economic development which makes sense because those points are fairly black and white.
Have you heard of say Spotify, Rhapsody, Pandora, Mog, Rdio, Itunes? ALL of them have permission and contractual relationships to protect IP while USING the "internet" to distribute content they monetize on.
Pretty much the same as say Cable companies like Time Warner, Comcast, Verizon, ATT all who work with and negotiate with media provider to distribute content.....
Heres the thing, Google/Facebook and companies like them do not power the "internet" in fact they are beneficiaries and basically parasites on companies who lay fiber, build data centers to manage distribution of IP and then to
top it off they allow pirated and stolen content that enriches engagement of their user bases which they make money on.
Heres the basic facts, the "internet" is supported and created by communications companies NOT google and Facebook like companies... those fiber lines and supporting infrastructure have been built up over decades. The media companies
That Youtube and other web sites that do not have permission to distribute stolen content enrich Google and Co at the COST of producing companies... meaning theft and the devaluation of IP.
Our entire economic system is based on the protection of IP, and the Governments job is to protect IP so the economic engine continues.... Not to protect pirates who enrich themselves by allowing content that clearly is in demand and engaging to their users but at the cost of the basis of IP protection.
Do you fly?
Do You Drive?
The government creates guidelines and enforcement to foster a safe and economic incentives to use the infrastructure for companies to fairly provide services. The "internet" is new and the proper protections have not been put in place.
Theft is theft any way you cut it, wrapping the argument in "freedom" and censorship does not change the nature of enriching yourself by theft.
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Is China's policy negatively affecting technology startups and growth in China?
I don't have any idea how it affects those things, but I know that it stifles freedom of information.
What is the "internet"?
It's not a truck, it's a series of tubes.
and what role does government have in the "internet"?
Keeping the infrastructure there, and not much more, in my humble opinion.
I see you chose not to talk about content theft and IP protection as the basis of economic development which makes sense because those points are fairly black and white.
Want me to talk about TPB? What they are doing is legal outside of the US. The RIAA and MPAA don't like it, so they pressure the US to block these websites from being accessed in America. Regardless of the reason, this sets a disturbing precedent.
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Hey if the food stamp money goes for Cheetos and orange soday who cares what they eat for lunch?
Pizza is a fairly balanced food.
I'd like to see the food stams program switched to vouchers for actual foods. Tomatoes, meat, veggies, beans, cheese, milk etc from local farms.
Better for you and cheaper than processed shit from the freezer or the snack aisle.
And (if you can) cut down on the practice of swapping food stamps for cash.
Buut basically I have no beef with sporting somebody a little chow.
WSS
Eating fresh and local isn't cheaper than eating cheap and frozen. That's where you've got this wrong. It's healthier, sure. But Food Stamps only provide people with an average of $4.50 a day for food. But if you want to run a program like the one you're talking about you're going to need A) more money for food stamps
more regulations and C) more government employees to monitor food stamp users and food producers. You want to crack down on abuses, you have to hire even more.Point being, if you're looking to hire people to save the government money, hiring them to chase down poor people who might trade their food stamps for small amounts of cash is pretty stupid, when you can hire an IRS or SEC agent who could find tax cheats or investment fraud and save the government millions. I guess it just depends on how obsessed you are with poor people scamming enough money to buy a fifth of Old Crow. As far as policy is concerned, it's not exactly at the top of the list of government abuses.
Also, pizza shouldn't be considered a vegetable. Let's get back to reality.
I love pizza. I think kids should have pizza. I think it's fine for schools to offer pizza for lunch every once in a while. But it's not a vegetable. That's just agribusiness leaning in on members of Congress to make it so, so that they can keep selling schools their frozen gunk. Doesn't mean we have to think it, too.
Eating fresh and local isn't cheaper than eating cheap and frozen. That's where you've got this wrong.
Nope.
Anybody who can cook knows it's way more cost effective to make meals than buy pre packaged stuff.
Making decent meals really is pretty simple.
It may take a few more minutes but so what?
For the cost of one loaf of French bread from the store I can make you bread for a couple weeks.
It's healthier, sure. But Food Stamps only provide people with an average of $4.50 a day for food. But if you want to run a program like the one you're talking about you're going to need A) more money for food stamps
more regulations and C) more government employees to monitor food stamp users and food producers. You want to crack down on abuses, you have to hire even more.Well here I'm not coming from a point of saving the last penny.
As I say I'm glad to sport the people some decent cghow.
Still when the government runs things the programs tend to drift away from frugality.
It's pretty common for my one buddy to get food cheap since (as he tells me) there's always people glad to sell food stamps for 50% for cash.
Can you eliminate that? Probably not but you can try a little harder.
Anyway that dough isn't killing us.
Point being, if you're looking to hire people to save the government money, hiring them to chase down poor people who might trade their food stamps for small amounts of cash is pretty stupid, when you can hire an IRS or SEC agent who could find tax cheats or investment fraud and save the government millions. I guess it just depends on how obsessed you are with poor people scamming enough money to buy a fifth of Old Crow. As far as policy is concerned, it's not exactly at the top of the list of government abuses.
Also, pizza shouldn't be considered a vegetable. Let's get back to reality.
I love pizza. I think kids should have pizza. I think it's fine for schools to offer pizza for lunch every once in a while. But it's not a vegetable. That's just agribusiness leaning in on members of Congress to make it so, so that they can keep selling schools their frozen gunk. Doesn't mean we have to think it, too.
Oh well
Take a piece of beef, some lettuce a slice of tonato a couple pickle a piece of cheese and a dinner roll on a plate and it looks like a healthy little meal.
Stack it up and it's a cheeseburger.
WSS
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And let's not forget, that the common practice of swapping cigarette money for food stamps isn't making anyone any healthier.
WSS
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I just don't think you have this right. The cheapest way to eat in America is fast food. It's why in America's poorest areas you see lots of fast food chains and very few grocery stores. You can have all of those things you mentioned - meat, bread, pickles, cheese, and lettuce - a drink and an order of fries for $3.00. Try that at a grocery store.
And why is fast food so cheap? Partially because we subsidize all of the inputs - wheat, corn, soy, etc. It's why some of the loudest opponents of farm subsidy repeals are always the fast food companies.
There are proposals to give people vouchers for fresh produce and fruit, but they're mostly pilot programs, because again, they cost more and are harder to run than the other programs.
But hey, I guess I can enjoy the idea of you wanting to spend more on food stamp programs for the poor, limiting the choices those consumers have, and increasing the number of government workers and enforcement.
Cal, I've seen the death of your liberty, and it is Steve. He's going even further than Michellecunt Polobamapot.
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And Steve, honestly, if you keep obsessing about the small number of poor people who somehow manage to turn their $4.50 a day into a pack of smokes, just know that this is your bete noire. It's not particularly relevant to anything but your own mood. I know you have mentioned some version of it every day for the last 6-7 years - which absolutely, completely doesn't suggest something weird about you personally - but I don't want you to start getting a rap as a guy who just shits on poor people all the time, you know?
Pardon me. Those brilliantly devious poor people. They're sublimely clever.
Food stamp fraud is real, and usually committed by the store owners as well as the recipients. But you're talking about something that costs somewhere around $300 million a year in a program with a budget of about $58 billion. You're talking about less than 1%. A problem? Sure. Something to try and do something about? Yes, if you can do it cost effectively. Something to point out in every post? Probably not.
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I just don't think you have this right. The cheapest way to eat in America is fast food. It's why in America's poorest areas you see lots of fast food chains and very few grocery stores. You can have all of those things you mentioned - meat, bread, pickles, cheese, and lettuce - a drink and an order of fries for $3.00. Try that at a grocery store.
And why is fast food so cheap? Partially because we subsidize all of the inputs - wheat, corn, soy, etc. It's why some of the loudest opponents of farm subsidy repeals are always the fast food companies.
There are proposals to give people vouchers for fresh produce and fruit, but they're mostly pilot programs, because again, they cost more and are harder to run than the other programs.
But hey, I guess I can enjoy the idea of you wanting to spend more on food stamp programs for the poor, limiting the choices those consumers have, and increasing the number of government workers and enforcement.
Cal, I've seen the death of your liberty, and it is Steve. He's going even further than Michellecunt Polobamapot.
I just don't think you have this right. The cheapest way to eat in America is fast food. It's why in America's poorest areas you see lots of fast food chains and very few grocery stores. You can have all of those things you mentioned - meat, bread, pickles, cheese, and lettuce - a drink and an order of fries for $3.00. Try that at a grocery store.
Bud I guess you don't do the cooking at Rancho Hecko.
Even without shopping hard you can get boneless skinless chicken breast for under 2 bucks a pound.
Hamburger cheaper than that.
How much burg do you get on that cheap one?
Less than 1/8 oz pal.
Get a 25# bag of flour even at Sams.
How much is one out of a big bag of spuds?
Plus a big mac or quarter pounder is well more than the 3 buck dinner.
And you shouldn't be drinking pop anyway but store brrand drink mix and generic sugar will rot your kids teeth out and fu(k up their glycemic index if that's the goal.
WSS
And why is fast food so cheap? Partially because we subsidize all of the inputs - wheat, corn, soy, etc. It's why some of the loudest opponents of farm subsidy repeals are always the fast food companies.
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I do almost all of the cooking, actually. Huge cook. If I didn't do what I'm doing now, I'd probably go back to the restaurant business.
And boneless skinless chicken breasts aren't $2 a pound out here. Not even close.
Order off the value menu at McD's, BK, Wendy's, etc., and you can get a cheeseburger, fries, and a coke for $3. Yes, you can. Go to Taco Bell, you don't even have to spend that much.
But hey, you're in favor of trying to make school lunches healthier, and getting healthier food options to people on public assistance. I'm with you. Beyond that, I'm not that interested in debating how much a 99 cent cheeseburger costs. Because it's 99 cents.
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Is China's policy negatively affecting technology startups and growth in China?
I don't have any idea how it affects those things, but I know that it stifles freedom of information.
What is the "internet"?
It's not a truck, it's a series of tubes.
and what role does government have in the "internet"?
Keeping the infrastructure there, and not much more, in my humble opinion.
I see you chose not to talk about content theft and IP protection as the basis of economic development which makes sense because those points are fairly black and white.
Want me to talk about TPB? What they are doing is legal outside of the US. The RIAA and MPAA don't like it, so they pressure the US to block these websites from being accessed in America. Regardless of the reason, this sets a disturbing precedent.
Is China's policy negatively affecting technology startups and growth in China?
I don't have any idea how it affects those things, but I know that it stifles freedom of information.
What is the "internet"?
It's not a truck, it's a series of tubes.
and what role does government have in the "internet"?
Keeping the infrastructure there, and not much more, in my humble opinion.
I see you chose not to talk about content theft and IP protection as the basis of economic development which makes sense because those points are fairly black and white.
Want me to talk about TPB? What they are doing is legal outside of the US. The RIAA and MPAA don't like it, so they pressure the US to block these websites from being accessed in America. Regardless of the reason, this sets a disturbing precedent.
China's technology sector is BOOMING regardless of the firewalls and government intrusions/regulations. Users are highly engaged and satisfied with their experiences.
The government has a MAJOR role in the "internet" or "tubes" because of the amount of funding/research etc the government is in fact responsible for in the creation of the network of systems that create the internet in the first place.
The government is supposed to act in the best interest of economy protections first... because access to the internet is OPTIONAL.... you pay to get on a private service that is regulated by FCC rules because of the interstate communication.
The internet does not belong to the consumer, access to the internet is a for profit private business OPTION. If you dont like the rules than dont participate in the usage. The internet is funded and ran by for profit companies who by law have to conform to IP economic based protections of our commerce system.
The RIAA is not dead by a long shot if you look at the explosive growth of Pandora/Spotify/Rhapsody/RDIO/MOG/TurnTable.FM etc in fact that is a solution that embraces the content owners/creators but utilizes the distribution system of the internet.
The MPAA is key to a great industry.... when movies cost over 100m to produce as a for profit business it is up to the MPAA and other industry reps to see that the government enforces IP protection against thieves. IF you steal something that is not yours that cost a ton of money and energy to create you are a thief just because their is an enabling system that allows you to transport data does not make it right.
Thats like stating that because roads and highways exist it ok to steal from a bank because the roads enable you to transport the money that is not yours.... IF a service or co-conspirator helps by enabling that transport and enriches themselves by offering a service.... well thats the same a fence who sells goods they know are stolen yet are willing to make money off the traffic going into the store by cutting advertising deals.
This is not about government intrusion... FACT Facebook/Google intrude and spy on your activity even after you leave their services to benefit themselves. That is a greater intrusion on your privacy rights than anything the government does.
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The government is supposed to act in the best interest of economy protections first... because access to the internet is OPTIONAL.... you pay to get on a private service that is regulated by FCC rules because of the interstate communication.
The internet does not belong to the consumer, access to the internet is a for profit private business OPTION. If you dont like the rules than dont participate in the usage. The internet is funded and ran by for profit companies who by law have to conform to IP economic based protections of our commerce system.
I'm in this boat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access
So let's agree to disagree.
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