Real Question
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BTW Heck I missed This Week, though I usually record it.
I like Will a lot but he is what he is.
Also Krugman's line that Newt is "a stupid personโs idea of what a smart person sounds like" sounds autobiographical to me.....
And the new covenant with America ๐ฅท or whatever isn't any worse than Hope and Change I guess.
WSS
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C'mon guys, we don't klnow who shot Kennedy for sure, let alone a tale handed down over two thousand years and amanded every step of the way.
There's a huge difference between the two as there is video evidence of Jackie O reaching for her husband's brains from the exit wound.
But my guess is that Mormonism is worse than Christianity because the Mormon candidates are Republicans and the fundamentalist Christian is Obama.....
Well, it seems to me that the people who do have a problem with Mormonism tend to be be fundamentalist Christians who also believe Obama is a secret Muslim/African.
Just a guess.
Would an atheist be just as far wrong?
WSS
Apparently, seeing as anyone running for president that claimed to be one would be committing career suicide.
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C'mon guys, we don't klnow who shot Kennedy for sure, let alone a tale handed down over two thousand years and amanded every step of the way.
There's a huge difference between the two as there is video evidence of Jackie O reaching for her husband's brains from the exit wound.
But my guess is that Mormonism is worse than Christianity because the Mormon candidates are Republicans and the fundamentalist Christian is Obama.....
Well, it seems to me that the people who do have a problem with Mormonism tend to be be fundamentalist Christians who also believe Obama is a secret Muslim/African.
Just a guess.
Would an atheist be just as far wrong?
WSS
Apparently, seeing as anyone running for president that claimed to be one would be committing career suicide.
There's a huge difference between the two as there is video evidence of Jackie O reaching for her husband's brains from the exit wound.
Apparently, seeing as anyone running for president that claimed to be one would be committing career suicide.
Exactly the point doc.
That was within my lifetime and on TV and we still aren't that sure what happened.
Let alone 2000 years ago with little more than word of mouth among a fairly backwward population...
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While much of what you say about the Bible is true, the chronology of it and what not, that's hardly proof that Jesus didn't exist. It suggests embellishment over time, not complete fiction. But historians are pretty certain that Christ exists. The Romans kept their own lists, after all.
And Sev, I'm almost with you on the Mormon thing. I find the religion, the origins of it, almost comical. For the life of me, I can't understand how it convinces a man of Romney's intellect.
I'd just ask you to consider the clownish Republican alternatives. I'll take the two Mormons any day.
While much of what you say about the Bible is true, the chronology of it and what not, that's hardly proof that Jesus didn't exist. It suggests embellishment over time, not complete fiction. But historians are pretty certain that Christ exists. The Romans kept their own lists, after all.
And Sev, I'm almost with you on the Mormon thing. I find the religion, the origins of it, almost comical. For the life of me, I can't understand how it convinces a man of Romney's intellect.
I'd just ask you to consider the clownish Republican alternatives. I'll take the two Mormons any day.
Dude you are weird. Do you live your life inside of a test tube?
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There's a huge difference between the two as there is video evidence of Jackie O reaching for her husband's brains from the exit wound.
Apparently, seeing as anyone running for president that claimed to be one would be committing career suicide.
Exactly the point doc.
That was within my lifetime and on TV and we still aren't that sure what happened.
Let alone 2000 years ago with little more than word of mouth among a fairly backwward population...
WSS
Exactly the point doc.
That was within my lifetime and on TV and we still aren't that sure what happened.
Let alone 2000 years ago with little more than word of mouth among a fairly backwward population...
WSS
Sorry, I think that's a bad analogy. What we can conclude from the JFK tapes is that he WAS assassinated. You don't have a single contemporary Roman or Jewish document that says Pontius Pilate asked a crowd to decide a prisoners fate, nor one that says Jesus of Nazareth was crucified on this date/time/location. You're comparing apples to oranges. For JFK, there is contemporary evidence of death, for Jesus, there is not.
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Exactly the point doc.
That was within my lifetime and on TV and we still aren't that sure what happened.
Let alone 2000 years ago with little more than word of mouth among a fairly backwward population...
WSS
Sorry, I think that's a bad analogy. What we can conclude from the JFK tapes is that he WAS assassinated. You don't have a single contemporary Roman or Jewish document that says Pontius Pilate asked a crowd to decide a prisoners fate, nor one that says Jesus of Nazareth was crucified on this date/time/location. You're comparing apples to oranges. For JFK, there is contemporary evidence of death, for Jesus, there is not.
Sorry, I think that's a bad analogy. What we can conclude from the JFK tapes is that he WAS assassinated. You don't have a single contemporary Roman or Jewish document that says Pontius Pilate asked a crowd to decide a prisoners fate, nor one that says Jesus of Nazareth was crucified on this date/time/location. You're comparing apples to oranges. For JFK, there is contemporary evidence of death, for Jesus, there is not.
Anyrthing documented 2K years ago would be "contemporary" today.
I'd expect that whatever the documentation of that era was is considered contemporary for the time.
WSS
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Sorry, I think that's a bad analogy. What we can conclude from the JFK tapes is that he WAS assassinated. You don't have a single contemporary Roman or Jewish document that says Pontius Pilate asked a crowd to decide a prisoners fate, nor one that says Jesus of Nazareth was crucified on this date/time/location. You're comparing apples to oranges. For JFK, there is contemporary evidence of death, for Jesus, there is not.
Anyrthing documented 2K years ago would be "contemporary" today.
I'd expect that whatever the documentation of that era was is considered contemporary for the time.
WSS
Anyrthing documented 2K years ago would be "contemporary" today.
I'd expect that whatever the documentation of that era was is considered contemporary for the time.
WSS
Steve, here's what I mean by contemporary.
1 - Related to the subject at hand
2 - First hand accounts of the subject
3 - Written as it happened, not in the same era, but in the same exact set of days or months that an event happened
Yes, you are correct in saying there are contemporary accounts of happenings in the Middle East during the time of Jesus' alleged existence. There are not, however, ANY documents that fit ALL the above criteria; there's a huge difference. If you're trying to find out what actually happened, you need first-hand accounts of it. The earliest known record of Jesus happened at least ten years after his alleged death.
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Wait, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian? ...Wha?
Paul Krugman, Princeton professor, world-renown economist, and Nobel prize winner is stupid? ..What reality are you working in?
And Hope and Change were slogans, not policy proposals, Steve. It's be like comparing Newt's ideas to "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow." There's a fair critique!
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And Vapor, a contemporary account of Jesus' life would not be the historical barometer to determine whether the man existed, or what he preached. What that would suggest, however, is that you might not want to take everything in the accounts as, you know, gospel.
Jeez, I never thought I'd get an intra-agnostic dispute in here.
We're arguing over the same basic idea. I just happen to think there's more to Christianity than you do, whereas Mormonism is invented out of whole cloth.
And Steve, Harry Reid is a Mormon. Democrats obviously don't have problems with Mormons in high places. And Romney and Huntsman are my two preferred Republican candidates, so I obviously don't have a problem with them as presidents either.
That doesn't change the fact that I find Mormon theology to be a ludicrous con that defies all common sense.
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And Vapor, a contemporary account of Jesus' life would not be the historical barometer to determine whether the man existed, or what he preached.
No it wouldn't. But if there were a bunch of those contemporary accounts, then I'd absolutely admit that they supported this man's existence. I just find it mind-boggling that there isn't even a single one.
We're arguing over the same basic idea. I just happen to think there's more to Christianity than you do, whereas Mormonism is invented out of whole cloth.
That doesn't change the fact that I find Mormon theology to be a ludicrous con that defies all common sense.
What then, makes mainstream Christianity more legitimate to you?
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And Vapor, a contemporary account of Jesus' life would not be the historical barometer to determine whether the man existed, or what he preached. What that would suggest, however, is that you might not want to take everything in the accounts as, you know, gospel.
Jeez, I never thought I'd get an intra-agnostic dispute in here.
We're arguing over the same basic idea. I just happen to think there's more to Christianity than you do, whereas Mormonism is invented out of whole cloth.
And Steve, Harry Reid is a Mormon. Democrats obviously don't have problems with Mormons in high places. And Romney and Huntsman are my two preferred Republican candidates, so I obviously don't have a problem with them as presidents either.
That doesn't change the fact that I find Mormon theology to be a ludicrous con that defies all common sense.
And Vapor, a contemporary account of Jesus' life would not be the historical barometer to determine whether the man existed, or what he preached. What that would suggest, however, is that you might not want to take everything in the accounts as, you know, gospel.
Jeez, I never thought I'd get an intra-agnostic dispute in here.
We're arguing over the same basic idea. I just happen to think there's more to Christianity than you do, whereas Mormonism is invented out of whole cloth.
And Steve, Harry Reid is a Mormon. Democrats obviously don't have problems with Mormons in high places. And Romney and Huntsman are my two preferred Republican candidates, so I obviously don't have a problem with them as presidents either.
That doesn't change the fact that I find Mormon theology to be a ludicrous con that defies all common sense.
Oh I was just kinda kidding Heck.
Seems like the left hates Christians if they're Republicans.
They're the "religious right."
WSS
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Wait, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian? ...Wha?
Paul Krugman, Princeton professor, world-renown economist, and Nobel prize winner is stupid? ..What reality are you working in?
And Hope and Change were slogans, not policy proposals, Steve. It's be like comparing Newt's ideas to "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow." There's a fair critique!
Wait, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian? ...Wha?
Paul Krugman, Princeton professor, world-renown economist, and Nobel prize winner is stupid? ..What reality are you working in?
Krugman is a Nobel Laureate like Arafat. Michael Moore has an Oscar.
Eugene Robinson a Pulitzer.
Unfortunately being an idealogue for the left is a foot in the door.
No matter he's a garden variety shill now.
WSS
And Hope and Change were slogans, not policy proposals, Steve. It's be like comparing Newt's ideas to "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow." There's a fair critique!
But "Hope and Change" was all he had.
Sure as hell wasnt economic, foreign military or health policy.
WSS
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This is just so, so clueless. Once again, you can live in your own reality, but it's not reality. It's just what you say to have an answer to things you don't know about.
Krugman's Nobel Prize was for work on trade theory and economic geography. You may disagree with his politics, and many do, but this award had nothing to do with that. Likening the Nobel Prize in Economics to an Oscar is ridiculous. Even you should know that. Sadly, it doesn't seem that you do.
I wouldn't suspect that even Krugman's fiercest critics would label him as "stupid", especially when speaking of his work in economics. But you would!
Honestly, it's like an Onion headline: "Bar act calls Nobel Laureate stupid." And this picture runs under the headline.
Don't be that guy, Steve.
And the idea that "Hope and Change" amounted to the totality of Obama's policy positions ...Jesus Christ. Just clueless. If you only went by what was on his campaign website - never mind all of the policy speeches, the debates, the position papers, etc. - you'd know that there were pages and pages of Obama outlining his views and proposals on a number of issues. It was all there for anyone to read. Yes, his economic proposals, tax proposals, military proposals, health care policy. It's bizarre. Usually the critique of Obama's policies is that they're too wonky, too driven by technocrats, and that they lack an overall theme and are rarely communicated well enough to the public. To you ...I don't even know what. You don't seem to have looked beyond the sign on the podium. This is clearly your weakness, rather than any sort of critique of Obama.
I'm sure at some point Rich must have noted that Bush didn't give us "compassionate conservatism" and stopped there as well. Perhaps he even wrote, "Moving America Forward? As if!!" Well, congrats, my man. That's where you are too.
It'd be much easier to say, "Okay, I'm not saying Krugman is stupid, but..." and then make a point about how you disagree with him. Or "You're right - I shouldn't make so much out of political slogans or imagine that they're the same as policy proposals" and then make a real point. Because it would show that you can acknowledge objective reality.
But no, you just keep digging.
God, every time I think there's something worth discussing with you, you write something like this.
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>> God, every time I think there's something worth discussing with you, you write something like this.
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Actually Heck, again you've let partisan anger override your mind.
I didn't call Krugman stupid.
Krugman called ME (and any other sane person) stupid for thinking Guingrich is bright.
Read the damn quote.
Same deal.
Krugman has a Nobel, yes.
So does Arafat, so does Obama. (and even he was a little embarrassed) so don't try to pretend it has no political ramification.
Like it or not.
So do the Oscars and the Pull it sir.
Unfortunate? You tell me.
But aside from that Krugman doesn't earn a living from discussing the finer points of the economy, he earns it by being a left wing commentator.
A shill or a hack if you prefer.
I've read enough of the guy to know he's as nasty and partisan as any on the right.
Sure there's a place for that but for Gods sake lets not put him on a pedestal.
I picked one topic to respond to here.
We'll do the rest soon.
Oh and a PS
You're enchanted by the ivy league right?
My friend Doug went to school in Ohio and took the bar here. Passed on the first try unlike three of his aquaintances who went to Harvard.
WSS
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Oh, God. I'm going to withdraw from this one. Nobel Prizes in Economics are still like Nobel Peace Prizes. (Wait until we get you started on Nobel Prizes s in Physics!) And also like Oscars. And when you said Krugman's quote was autobiographical, you didn't mean that it was about him. You meant it was about you..
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
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And some more fun Newt: "The Congressional Budget Office is a reactionary socialist institution which does not believe in economic growth, does not believe in innovation and does not believe in data that it has not internally generated."
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former CBO director and Republican, called the Gingrich allegation "ludicrous." "I think if you parse that phrase carefully, he got one out of three right," Holtz-Eakin said. "I do agree it is an institution. If you're playing baseball, that's a decent batting average."
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Oh, God. I'm going to withdraw from this one. Nobel Prizes in Economics are still like Nobel Peace Prizes. (Wait until we get you started on Nobel Prizes s in Physics!) And also like Oscars. And when you said Krugman's quote was autobiographical, you didn't mean that it was about him. You meant it was about you..
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
Oh, God. I'm going to withdraw from this one. Nobel Prizes in Economics are still like Nobel Peace Prizes. (Wait until we get you started on Nobel Prizes s in Physics!) And also like Oscars. And when you said Krugman's quote was autobiographical, you didn't mean that it was about him. You meant it was about you..
Have a nice Thanksgiving.
Thanks Heck.
But, let's recap.
He said that Gingrich is the kind of person that stupid people think is smart!
I said that sounded autobiographical.
Why would that be?
Because it seems more like Krugman himself is the type of person that stupid people think are smart.
I hope that's not too difficult to understand.
( And yes I understand that krugman is trying to insult me than anyone else feels that way. Just another reason I find krugman to be an asshole.)
Happy thanksgiving old buddy.
Don't forget to order from the 99 cent menu!
WSS
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Again, why is it always some thing that a rep said that is proof of their stupidity?
But the ignore the dems stupidity in making statements.
Like Pelosi. And Reid.
But mostly, the "57 states"...
and the most recent? "here in Asia" (when Obamao was IN HAWAII)....
come on. Please Heck, TRY just once to be sincere and stop the ignorant leveraging democrat attacks to see what works ?
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