Shurmur Under Fire
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Really, Tomlin had a Super Bowl Defense fall in his lap with Big Ben and Running Backs, and Harbaugh has a Super Bowl Defense fall in his lap and a pro Bowl RB and Prop Bowl Tight End and 2 pro Bowl O-linemen...Both did not do a 180 on Offense and Defense changing both systems...Please come up with something better than this reason!!!
Goolie- Our front offense did not draft Frye and Quinn.....Just sayin...
I do not like Shurmer either, but NOBODY IS GOING ANYWHERE!!! Unless Andy Reid called Mike and said he wants to work with him again and be the Head coach!!!
My only comeback to you is..... Care to explain how AJ Green and Andy Dalton have miraculously turned the Bengals into a contender?
The other side of the argument is.... contrary to popular opinion- there's not that much difference between bottom feeders and excellence in the NFL and it boils down to coaching. Case in point, Harbaugh inherited the same 49er team that STUNK last year under Singletary, glory be, they're now world beaters.
My only comeback to you is..... Care to explain how AJ Green and Andy Dalton have miraculously turned the Bengals into a contender?
The other side of the argument is.... contrary to popular opinion- there's not that much difference between bottom feeders and excellence in the NFL and it boils down to coaching. Case in point, Harbaugh inherited the same 49er team that STUNK last year under Singletary, glory be, they're now world beaters.
AJ Green is really good and Dalton is not afraid to throw it for him to catch it, and they have a really good defense and solid running game.
I know it comes to defense, the niners didnt stin last yr there Defense was great, but like our defense they were on the field forever last yr. Harbaugh great coach
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I expect the Browns to get the stuffing beaten out of them today. I hope they prove me wrong!
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
II have read more stupidity on this board over the years than one could imagine, HOWEVER, the DUMBEST post of all time belongs to thie Xanthos guy..........
" Stability is the key"
So, no matter how shitty the team is, no matter how bad the results, Xanthos believes in continuing on with the same losing combination.
I guess we should have just kept Charlie Frye? Quinn?
Only a mindless jagoff believes that keeping a failure is a formula for success.
Xanthos, you have posted the most idiotic, ridiculous, moronic post EVER posted on this board.
I am also going to lay 100 to 1 that.................
1)You voted for and love known traitor and treasonist, Barack Obama
2)YOu think HIllis, McCoy and Cribbs are the foundation for SB success.
Stability! Good jezoos joseff and mary. What an idiotic thing to say.
HOWEVER............. you WILL get your wish. Holmgren will not fire Shurmur.
IF the Browns can at least get to 5 - 11, ESPECIALLY if that last win is against the Steelers or Ravens........ then we will bring in an OC and fans will think our plan is coming to fruition.
IF However, the Browns don't win another game, and i don't see how they can, THEN Holmgren will have to fire SOMEBODY.
As Xanthos teh Ztupid demonstrates, fans believe stability is the most important thing. TO keep nutsacks like this happy, Holmgren will keep Shurmur............. and HECKERTT will go bye byes.
Call me out all you want self proclaimed "King" (lol). I never claimed to be some "great producer" (which btw I am also a musician and your gear is borderline pathetic), or even some great Torot reader with a crystal ball. Call me all the names in the world, I'm an adult I can handle it...it just makes YOU look more like the blithering idiot child.
The one thing that has been constant throughout this WHOLE scenario is the fact that we keep switching up coaches and front offices and players...Einsteins definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing expecting different results. Am I happy with the results of this years team??? ...of course not. Do I think Shurmer is the greatest coach that we have ever had...HELL NO. I will say this much in his defense. At least he has tried to make adjustments with with his playcalling throughout the year, whether it worked or not. Thats something that certainly hasn't been the case for at least the previous two regimes. Daboll always brought the same thing to EVERY game.
My point is this...why keep changing the personnel so drastically that the team will never have any kind of "identity" at all? Our identity this year was supposed to rely on Hillis to be the relief valve for McCoy but it's obvious what happened with that. Oh as for your claim that I am a "homer" for hillis,mccoy, and cribbs, who else should I be rooting for? Last time I checked I was a BROWNS fan and rooted for the players that are on the team. All this talk about we should have had this person or that person is just BS. We don't have them. The reality is what it is. You can wish for all manner of things in your pipe dreams but I am looking at what is staring me in the face. We have a subpar team that is trying to build from a foundation developed through the draft. Is it what YOU the great GHOOLIEMAN want for our beloved team, obviously not as everyone here has been forced to listen to. But until you become the President of the team, i'm gonna believe in what Holmgren brings to the table over some loudmouth disrespectful FAN who spends his time perusing a nonsanctioned Browns board belittling other fans for their beliefs.
Oh and since you also have problems reading...its Xanthros with an "r" in the middle...
You want my address so you can come beat me up too?? Since violence seems to be your only way of dealing with things...
Grow up, you're like the school bully on the playground and you claim to be an adult...not a very mature way to handle yourself...
PS. Never voted for Obama either. The voting system is a failed system to make the public actually think that they have some control over who is in charge. Another completely unfounded reality.
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Holmgren will hire an OC and keep Shurmur. It is not too hard to see. He is not going to blow away his child.
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Stability is the key but only if the right people are in place, and i see no signs of the right people being in place i just see more of the flawed design crap we have grown so use to under the current ownership..
The right people make some shit happen immediately and show leadership ability today and the promise of growth for tomorrow not a bunch of bumbling around wasting time and then making excuses, there are to many slow and bad decisions from upstairs and no leadership on the sideline..
Minus mangini's one year folly as boss this has to be the most over conservative dim witted and indecisive regime yet since the browns return..
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I think its funny how everyone here called for Mangenusis head the first yr, and he gets fired his second yr and everybody is pissed. It seems like nobody lies a coach unless its a big name.
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I think its funny how everyone here called for Mangenusis head the first yr, and he gets fired his second yr and everybody is pissed. It seems like nobody lies a coach unless its a big name.
I think its funny how everyone here called for Mangenusis head the first yr, and he gets fired his second yr and everybody is pissed. It seems like nobody lies a coach unless its a big name.
you're a flippin idiot. you AND xanthros or voltron or whoever the fxxk he thinks he is....
first off with 353 posts on this board how do you know who was calling for anyone's head three years ago? explain that charlie?
fans should never be content with 'their' team losing. never. and other fans HAVE NO FXXKIN RIGHT to tell another fan how to feel or demonstrate their ire with losing. "oh, just calm down and everything will be fine."
GO FXXK YOURSELF!
this whole mess started with lerner's inability to understand business and american football. so he 'had' to hire holmgren. and he 'had' to have one of 'his' blow boys who runs 'his' offense. well thanks a lot. dicks.
yeah you're right. lerner will keep holmgren. holmgren will never admit to doing wrong by hiring shurmur so he'll hire an OC and keep this dick as his puppet. then next year with the new OC will be another evaluating year (so no one can be held accountable, once again). then the year after that we'll do another 5-11 and people will start screaming more. then lerner will realize the mistake he made and fire them all. again.
by then i'll have drunk myself to death and obviously not have the abiltiy to give a shit about anything anymore.
HOLMGREN IS THE DEVIL.
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Really, Tomlin had a Super Bowl Defense fall in his lap with Big Ben and Running Backs, and Harbaugh has a Super Bowl Defense fall in his lap and a pro Bowl RB and Prop Bowl Tight End and 2 pro Bowl O-linemen...Both did not do a 180 on Offense and Defense changing both systems...Please come up with something better than this reason!!!
Goolie- Our front offense did not draft Frye and Quinn.....Just sayin...
I do not like Shurmer either, but NOBODY IS GOING ANYWHERE!!! Unless Andy Reid called Mike and said he wants to work with him again and be the Head coach!!!
My only comeback to you is..... Care to explain how AJ Green and Andy Dalton have miraculously turned the Bengals into a contender?
The other side of the argument is.... contrary to popular opinion- there's not that much difference between bottom feeders and excellence in the NFL and it boils down to coaching. Case in point, Harbaugh inherited the same 49er team that STUNK last year under Singletary, glory be, they're now world beaters.
My only comeback to you is..... Care to explain how AJ Green and Andy Dalton have miraculously turned the Bengals into a contender?
The other side of the argument is.... contrary to popular opinion- there's not that much difference between bottom feeders and excellence in the NFL and it boils down to coaching. Case in point, Harbaugh inherited the same 49er team that STUNK last year under Singletary, glory be, they're now world beaters.
The Ben-gals won the AFC North two years ago, the foundation of a winning team was already there. They made some stupid FA signings last year and killed their chemistry.
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Gruden
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Gruden
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joking right? he jsut signed a 5 year deal with espn worth big scratch. he was a poser anyways, not a lifer.
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I think its funny how everyone here called for Mangenusis head the first yr, and he gets fired his second yr and everybody is pissed. It seems like nobody lies a coach unless its a big name.
you're a flippin idiot. you AND xanthros or voltron or whoever the fxxk he thinks he is....
first off with 353 posts on this board how do you know who was calling for anyone's head three years ago? explain that charlie?
fans should never be content with 'their' team losing. never. and other fans HAVE NO FXXKIN RIGHT to tell another fan how to feel or demonstrate their ire with losing. "oh, just calm down and everything will be fine."
GO FXXK YOURSELF!
this whole mess started with lerner's inability to understand business and american football. so he 'had' to hire holmgren. and he 'had' to have one of 'his' blow boys who runs 'his' offense. well thanks a lot. dicks.
yeah you're right. lerner will keep holmgren. holmgren will never admit to doing wrong by hiring shurmur so he'll hire an OC and keep this dick as his puppet. then next year with the new OC will be another evaluating year (so no one can be held accountable, once again). then the year after that we'll do another 5-11 and people will start screaming more. then lerner will realize the mistake he made and fire them all. again.
by then i'll have drunk myself to death and obviously not have the abiltiy to give a shit about anything anymore.
HOLMGREN IS THE DEVIL.
this whole mess started with lerner's inability to understand business and american football. so he 'had' to hire holmgren. and he 'had' to have one of 'his' blow boys who runs 'his' offense. well thanks a lot. dicks.
yeah you're right. lerner will keep holmgren. holmgren will never admit to doing wrong by hiring shurmur so he'll hire an OC and keep this dick as his puppet. then next year with the new OC will be another evaluating year (so no one can be held accountable, once again). then the year after that we'll do another 5-11 and people will start screaming more. then lerner will realize the mistake he made and fire them all. again.
by then i'll have drunk myself to death and obviously not have the ability to give a shit about anything anymore.
HOLMGREN IS THE DEVIL.
The fans aren't going to put up with another two seasons of this Bulls**t. And if you haven't noticed, the town has already given up on the Browns. I've seen better crowds back in the 70's for a freaking High School game than the # of actual bodies in the stands today. Talked to a group in our tailgate lot after the game who are dumping their Club Seats. If I didn't have 25 years of seniority on my season tickets, I'd seriously consider having better things to do with my money than writing Randy a check every May to pay to see garbage on display.
Home blackouts are on the horizon Cleveland- and I can't blame the locals anymore.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Borderline pathetic gear?
Vintage Fender, Taylor, Dobro axes, Neumann, Lawson, Telefunken mics?
128 channel Euphonix console? Klien and Hummel Monitors? Borderline pathetic eh? Really? WOW.
You better do a little more investigating pimple head. There's a lot more infor and pics than just the stuff from my home.
As always it comes down to a pissing contest with you...
That and of course insults to hide behind...
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I think its funny how everyone here called for Mangenusis head the first yr, and he gets fired his second yr and everybody is pissed. It seems like nobody lies a coach unless its a big name.
you're a flippin idiot. you AND xanthros or voltron or whoever the fxxk he thinks he is....
first off with 353 posts on this board how do you know who was calling for anyone's head three years ago? explain that charlie?
fans should never be content with 'their' team losing. never. and other fans HAVE NO FXXKIN RIGHT to tell another fan how to feel or demonstrate their ire with losing. "oh, just calm down and everything will be fine."
GO FXXK YOURSELF!
this whole mess started with lerner's inability to understand business and american football. so he 'had' to hire holmgren. and he 'had' to have one of 'his' blow boys who runs 'his' offense. well thanks a lot. dicks.
yeah you're right. lerner will keep holmgren. holmgren will never admit to doing wrong by hiring shurmur so he'll hire an OC and keep this dick as his puppet. then next year with the new OC will be another evaluating year (so no one can be held accountable, once again). then the year after that we'll do another 5-11 and people will start screaming more. then lerner will realize the mistake he made and fire them all. again.
by then i'll have drunk myself to death and obviously not have the abiltiy to give a shit about anything anymore.
HOLMGREN IS THE DEVIL.
you're a flippin idiot. you AND xanthros or voltron or whoever the fxxk he thinks he is....
first off with 353 posts on this board how do you know who was calling for anyone's head three years ago? explain that charlie?
fans should never be content with 'their' team losing. never. and other fans HAVE NO FXXKIN RIGHT to tell another fan how to feel or demonstrate their ire with losing. "oh, just calm down and everything will be fine."
GO FXXK YOURSELF!
this whole mess started with lerner's inability to understand business and american football. so he 'had' to hire holmgren. and he 'had' to have one of 'his' blow boys who runs 'his' offense. well thanks a lot. dicks.
yeah you're right. lerner will keep holmgren. holmgren will never admit to doing wrong by hiring shurmur so he'll hire an OC and keep this dick as his puppet. then next year with the new OC will be another evaluating year (so no one can be held accountable, once again). then the year after that we'll do another 5-11 and people will start screaming more. then lerner will realize the mistake he made and fire them all. again.
by then i'll have drunk myself to death and obviously not have the abiltiy to give a shit about anything anymore.
HOLMGREN IS THE DEVIL.
The part about Lerner is spot on! I mean seriously, what has RANDY accomplished! He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and had inherited this team because of his dad's death. Were Al still alive today, I don't think we'd have the mess that we have now. Fans need to stop paying for this shit, and send a message to this owner, because as long as he is continuing to make money hand over fist, there is no incentive to improve the product on the field. Stop going, let him lose tv revenue due to a few blackouts, and watch how fast things change! Cut the money train off! It's like this; if you go to a restaurant, and everytime you go, they constantly continue to give you shitty food, and shitty service, are you still going to keep going?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Youngstown is already blacked out. My mom has to watch teh Steelers first, ovr the Browns. I bought her the NFL package, when she found out how much it was, she told them to shove it up their ass, and she put basic cable back on. LMAO. She told me I was nuts for paying that much just so she could watch shit football.
Does she have dish network or something? I'm in Youngstown and Time Warner had the game on CBS at kickoff.
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