Browns Are Better Than The Steelers.
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Translation:
Browns fans got all excited and fooled into believing that a one-diminesional fullback was going to be an elite player after having one flash in the pan season, so you're back to hoping the Steelers don't win another Super Bowl. Also - losing to a team that is currently on a 16 winning streak spanning two seasons with a QB playing arguably at the highest level ever by only 6 points: you consider that "getting their asses kicked"....
Reality: What constitutes getting your ass kicked in Championship Game
Let's do a real comparison and look at the Steelers vs. Browns in actual "Championship Games" - the NFL Championship vs. the AFC Championship. Going to leave out the Super Bowl - because comparing the two is not as accurate a comparison-
Steelers AFC Championship Games (15 Total; 8-7, Average Win 25.3 to 13.4 (95 point differential); Average Loss: 28.0 to 18.6 (66 point differential)
Browns NFL/AFC Championship Games (14 Total; 4-10, Average Win: 37.8 to 13.0 (99 point differential); Average Loss: 29.9 to 14.7 (152 point differential)
Simple facts here - no distortion of the numbers, no manipulation of the data. Despite Cleveland Brown fan's favorite past times of saying the NFL Championship is the same thing as the Super Bowl and how Pittsburgh Steeler fan doesn't recognize an NFL before 1972, both are false - NFL Championships prior to 1966 required winning a single post season game for the Championship with a rotating (not earned via best record) HFA basis like the World Series formerly employed. Additional playoff games were utilized only in the case of two teams finishing tied at the end of regular season. Beginning in 1966, divisions were formed and a playoff was instituted: 3 teams won the NFL Championship during that time - the Packers, Colts and Vikings. In the case of the Colts and Vikings, both were credited with winning the NFL Championship, but not the Super Bowl. The NFL canon considers AFL and NFL Championships prior to the Super Bowl era to be the equivalent of current Conference Championships of the AFC and NFC - which also feature HFA and since 1984, are awarded a Championship Trophy (Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas Trophy for NFC).
I will give the Browns credit in their 4 Championship wins, some very impressive stuff:
1954 - Beat Lions 56-10 (played in Cleveland)
1955 - Beat Rams 38-14 (played in Los Angeles)
1964 - Beat Colts 27-0 (played in Cleveland)
But - the flip side is those 10 losses, the Browns lost by an average of 15 points - and the Lions exacted revenge when playing for the NFL Championship in Detroit winning 59-14 and the Colts avenged the shutout loss in 1968 by winning 34-0. To make things worse, as mentioned, the 1966-1969 seasons featured two chances at glory - winning the NFL Championship and winning the Super Bowl. While the Packers accomplished this feat - the Colts and Vikings did not, although playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl and for the NFL Championship, both teams piled on the Browns by a combined 61-7 total. It could have been the Cleveland Browns that Broadway Joe made the historic guarantee against.
Personally - when I see the Steelers only down by 6 with 2 minutes left in a game despite making some very damaging self-inflicted mistakes via turnovers and in position to pull off one final game winning drive like they did in the Super Bowl in 2008 and against the same Packers team in 2009, well - I guess my definition of "getting their asses beat" is different than yours. I actually look at it as a defeat - with no excuses and no crying. The opportunity was their and was not seized.
And it's certainly far more preferable than waiting for the draft with a pick that is just high enough to be outside the chance to draft a franchise QB, not that the Browns would be smart enough to select a Ben Roethlisberger or Aaron Rogers when they fall right into their lap anyway.
No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
Browns have seven straight championships their first seven years in existance, Stooler can't say they done that
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So with your definition of "rivalry" the Browns and Steelers were only rivals in the 1980s. Great logic.
I brought that point up some time ago. Point in fact is, the Browns and Steelers have never really been good at the same time, ever. Through the 50s and 60s Browns were good, Steelers sucked. In the 70s the Steelers were good and the Browns sucked. In the 80s, Browns good, Steeler sucked. In the 90s there was maybe a couple of years when they were both good. And of course in the 2000s the Browns have sucked and the Steelers have been good.
I brought that point up some time ago. Point in fact is, the Browns and Steelers have never really been good at the same time, ever. Through the 50s and 60s Browns were good, Steelers sucked. In the 70s the Steelers were good and the Browns sucked. In the 80s, Browns good, Steeler sucked. In the 90s there was maybe a couple of years when they were both good. And of course in the 2000s the Browns have sucked and the Steelers have been good.
The Steelers are the only team in the NFL with 4 Head Coaches that have won 50 or more games - Noll, Cowher, Tomlin and Buddy Parker.
From 1957 to 1963 - the Steelers finished better than the Browns once (1962), missed out on playing for NFL Championship by losing final game (1963) and finished 2 games back of Cleveland 2x and 1 game back 1x. It was an era in which the Browns were better in truth - but it wasn't the overall domination you'd prefer to remember it to be.
Likewise from 1980 to 1985 - The Browns finished better than the Steelers 2x, but it wasn't some overwhelming domination by either team. The Browns had their 1980 heartbreak to match the 1963 Steelers dropping the ball to end the season.
As far as both teams being good in the 1990s - there were two years the Browns finished within 1 game of the Steelers, 1991 (7-9 vs. 6-10) and 1994 (12-4 vs. 11-5) but that 1994 season featured a 3 game sweep.
It would be more accurate to say there has never been an extended period in which both teams were legit contenders - those years were 1962, 1963, 1972 and 1994. The other competitive seasons that came down to the end - but one of the teams may have been a legit contender while the other was battling to be a playoff team: 1976, 1983, 1985, 1989 and 2002.
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Translation:
Browns fans got all excited and fooled into believing that a one-diminesional fullback was going to be an elite player after having one flash in the pan season, so you're back to hoping the Steelers don't win another Super Bowl. Also - losing to a team that is currently on a 16 winning streak spanning two seasons with a QB playing arguably at the highest level ever by only 6 points: you consider that "getting their asses kicked"....
Reality: What constitutes getting your ass kicked in Championship Game
Let's do a real comparison and look at the Steelers vs. Browns in actual "Championship Games" - the NFL Championship vs. the AFC Championship. Going to leave out the Super Bowl - because comparing the two is not as accurate a comparison-
Steelers AFC Championship Games (15 Total; 8-7, Average Win 25.3 to 13.4 (95 point differential); Average Loss: 28.0 to 18.6 (66 point differential)
Browns NFL/AFC Championship Games (14 Total; 4-10, Average Win: 37.8 to 13.0 (99 point differential); Average Loss: 29.9 to 14.7 (152 point differential)
Simple facts here - no distortion of the numbers, no manipulation of the data. Despite Cleveland Brown fan's favorite past times of saying the NFL Championship is the same thing as the Super Bowl and how Pittsburgh Steeler fan doesn't recognize an NFL before 1972, both are false - NFL Championships prior to 1966 required winning a single post season game for the Championship with a rotating (not earned via best record) HFA basis like the World Series formerly employed. Additional playoff games were utilized only in the case of two teams finishing tied at the end of regular season. Beginning in 1966, divisions were formed and a playoff was instituted: 3 teams won the NFL Championship during that time - the Packers, Colts and Vikings. In the case of the Colts and Vikings, both were credited with winning the NFL Championship, but not the Super Bowl. The NFL canon considers AFL and NFL Championships prior to the Super Bowl era to be the equivalent of current Conference Championships of the AFC and NFC - which also feature HFA and since 1984, are awarded a Championship Trophy (Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas Trophy for NFC).
I will give the Browns credit in their 4 Championship wins, some very impressive stuff:
1954 - Beat Lions 56-10 (played in Cleveland)
1955 - Beat Rams 38-14 (played in Los Angeles)
1964 - Beat Colts 27-0 (played in Cleveland)
But - the flip side is those 10 losses, the Browns lost by an average of 15 points - and the Lions exacted revenge when playing for the NFL Championship in Detroit winning 59-14 and the Colts avenged the shutout loss in 1968 by winning 34-0. To make things worse, as mentioned, the 1966-1969 seasons featured two chances at glory - winning the NFL Championship and winning the Super Bowl. While the Packers accomplished this feat - the Colts and Vikings did not, although playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl and for the NFL Championship, both teams piled on the Browns by a combined 61-7 total. It could have been the Cleveland Browns that Broadway Joe made the historic guarantee against.
Personally - when I see the Steelers only down by 6 with 2 minutes left in a game despite making some very damaging self-inflicted mistakes via turnovers and in position to pull off one final game winning drive like they did in the Super Bowl in 2008 and against the same Packers team in 2009, well - I guess my definition of "getting their asses beat" is different than yours. I actually look at it as a defeat - with no excuses and no crying. The opportunity was their and was not seized.
And it's certainly far more preferable than waiting for the draft with a pick that is just high enough to be outside the chance to draft a franchise QB, not that the Browns would be smart enough to select a Ben Roethlisberger or Aaron Rogers when they fall right into their lap anyway.
No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
Tell you what - YOU slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate and manipulate.
I'll state truth and fact.
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 championships. The Cleveland Browns have 4 NFL Championships and 4 AAFC Championships, the Cleveland/Canton Bulldogs have 3 NFL Championships, the Akron Pros have 1 NFL Championship and the Cleveland Rams have 1 NFL Championship. Are you really consolidating 5 teams from 3 different leagues to compare to the success of the Steelers alone? You're pulling in teams from Akron and Canton and considering them as part of the Browns history? You're taking the Rams history to bolster the history of Cleveland to compare to the Steelers?
You're accusing me of manipulating? You - who represent a fanbase that accuses the Steelers of being bandwagon fans - taking credit for Rams NFL Championships?
I have yet to see one Browns fan answer two simple questions:
If the NFL Championship is the same as the Super Bowl - why are the Colts and Vikings more remembered for losing Super Bowl III and IV than winning the 1968 and 1969 NFL Championships? The Browns could have played in those Super Bowls - but lost by a combined 61-7 in those NFL Championship Games.
If the AAFC Championships are equivalent to Super Bowls - why doesn't Buffalo and San Diego and Houston celebrate their AFL Championships like Super Bowls? Why don't the Philadelphia fans celebrate their USFL Championships and Tampa Bay with their Arena Bowls? Only Cleveland fans seem to think the championships they won in a secondary league are equal to the NFL Championships.
FACT - so spinning, no slicing, no manipulation.
THE NFL REGARDS THE NFL AND AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS AT THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE OF NFC AND AFC CHAMPIONSHIPS
- Teams are awarded Trophies - Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas for NFC
- Players are awarded Conference Championship Rings
The Steelers have played for 15 AFC Championships - the Browns have played for 11 NFL/AFC Championships. The Steelers have won 8, the Browns have won 4.
Utlimately - no slicing or dicing or manipulation:
The Steelers to play in/win AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl - they had to win 30 postseason games (losing 9).
The Browns to play in/win NFL Championship Game or AFC Championship Game - they had to win 10 postseason games (losing 11).
I realize it's such a mismatch - next thing you'll bring up is how the Browns were in the original Tecmo Bowl and those championships should count. But the reality is the Browns have seen 5 Cleveland/NE Ohio Franchises either fold or leave town while the Steelers remain the same franchise since 1933. But, you go on believing you have the greatest fanbase of all time. You're obviously delusional anyway.
- Teams are awarded Trophies - Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas for NFC
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No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
Browns have seven straight championships their first seven years in existance, Stooler can't say they done that
Browns have seven straight championships their first seven years in existance, Stooler can't say they done that
Forget about the fact that Cleveland is the only fanbase that values AFL, AAFC, WFL, USFL, Arena League Football Championships at the same level as the Super Bowl and that cities like Tampa, Philadelphia, Buffalo, San Diego, Houston and Kansas City don't embarrass themselves by boasting about those minor league championships.
What's even more pathetic is that assuming that AAFC Championships were equivalent to NFL Championships (ignoring that 80% of the league folded within 6 years of its formation - that Browns fans (who love to say Steelers fans don't acknowledge that there was an NFL before 1970) are completely ignorant about their own team's history.
The Browns most certainly did not have seven straight championships in their first seven years in existance. The won 4 AAFC Championships in the 4 year existance of the league. 7 teams folded after 1949 as they could not even field a competitive team nor draw any attendance. 3 teams merged into the NFL - the Baltimore Colts, San Francisco 49ers and Cleveland Browns. The Baltimore Colts folded a few years later - so they are not the same Baltimore franchise that would re-form later in the decade.
The Browns won the NFL Championship in 1950 - then proceeded to reach the NFL Championship Game in 1951, 1952 and 1953 - but lost. They would win it again in 1954 and 1955. And I am willing to wager that 90% of the fans on this board would not even know who the Browns played in those games, where they were played, the players on the other teams or the final score. After all, ignorant fans like this guy I'm replying to don't even know the history of their own team.
Pathetic - I know more about the Browns franchise than Browns fans.
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I brought that point up some time ago. Point in fact is, the Browns and Steelers have never really been good at the same time, ever. Through the 50s and 60s Browns were good, Steelers sucked. In the 70s the Steelers were good and the Browns sucked. In the 80s, Browns good, Steeler sucked. In the 90s there was maybe a couple of years when they were both good. And of course in the 2000s the Browns have sucked and the Steelers have been good.
The Steelers are the only team in the NFL with 4 Head Coaches that have won 50 or more games - Noll, Cowher, Tomlin and Buddy Parker.
From 1957 to 1963 - the Steelers finished better than the Browns once (1962), missed out on playing for NFL Championship by losing final game (1963) and finished 2 games back of Cleveland 2x and 1 game back 1x. It was an era in which the Browns were better in truth - but it wasn't the overall domination you'd prefer to remember it to be.
Likewise from 1980 to 1985 - The Browns finished better than the Steelers 2x, but it wasn't some overwhelming domination by either team. The Browns had their 1980 heartbreak to match the 1963 Steelers dropping the ball to end the season.
As far as both teams being good in the 1990s - there were two years the Browns finished within 1 game of the Steelers, 1991 (7-9 vs. 6-10) and 1994 (12-4 vs. 11-5) but that 1994 season featured a 3 game sweep.
It would be more accurate to say there has never been an extended period in which both teams were legit contenders - those years were 1962, 1963, 1972 and 1994. The other competitive seasons that came down to the end - but one of the teams may have been a legit contender while the other was battling to be a playoff team: 1976, 1983, 1985, 1989 and 2002.
The Steelers are the only team in the NFL with 4 Head Coaches that have won 50 or more games - Noll, Cowher, Tomlin and Buddy Parker.
I will take your word on that (though shouldn't you check to see if the Packers also had 4 50 win coaches? Lambeau, Lombardi, Holmgren and McCarthy should have won 50. Yes, the Steelers have been a study in consistency.
From 1957 to 1963 - the Steelers finished better than the Browns once (1962), missed out on playing for NFL Championship by losing final game (1963) and finished 2 games back of Cleveland 2x and 1 game back 1x. It was an era in which the Browns were better in truth - but it wasn't the overall domination you'd prefer to remember it to be.
I think if you look at the Browns record for the entire 50s decade and the entire 60s decade, there would no doubt be dominance for that entire era in terms of W_L record and playoff appearances. You might cherry pick a 2-3 year stretch
Likewise from 1980 to 1985 - The Browns finished better than the Steelers 2x, but it wasn't some overwhelming domination by either team. The Browns had their 1980 heartbreak to match the 1963 Steelers dropping the ball to end the season.
Again, you are cherry picking. I am counting the entire decade. What you are doing here would be like me saying "the Steelers weren't all that dominant in the 70s, because, after all, from 1970-1973 the Browns had a better record and had more playoff appearances." And that would be true. But no one in their right mind would contend that the Steelers weren't dominant in the 70s over the Browns (and everyone else).
As far as both teams being good in the 1990s - there were two years the Browns finished within 1 game of the Steelers, 1991 (7-9 vs. 6-10) and 1994 (12-4 vs. 11-5) but that 1994 season featured a 3 game sweep.
It would be more accurate to say there has never been an extended period in which both teams were legit contenders - those years were 1962, 1963, 1972 and 1994.
I think that is what I said, but I will go along with your way of phrasing it.
The other competitive seasons that came down to the end - but one of the teams may have been a legit contender while the other was battling to be a playoff team: 1976, 1983, 1985, 1989 and 2002.
Yes, there have been occasional years where the two teams each vied for playoff spots. But admittedly there has not been a long stretch of mutual contention....nothing like what the Steelers and Ravens have had for the past decade or so.
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No matter how you slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate, manipulate, the numbers are simple:
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 Championships. Pitt/WPA has 6.
Tell you what - YOU slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate and manipulate.
I'll state truth and fact.
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 championships. The Cleveland Browns have 4 NFL Championships and 4 AAFC Championships, the Cleveland/Canton Bulldogs have 3 NFL Championships, the Akron Pros have 1 NFL Championship and the Cleveland Rams have 1 NFL Championship. Are you really consolidating 5 teams from 3 different leagues to compare to the success of the Steelers alone? You're pulling in teams from Akron and Canton and considering them as part of the Browns history? You're taking the Rams history to bolster the history of Cleveland to compare to the Steelers?
You're accusing me of manipulating? You - who represent a fanbase that accuses the Steelers of being bandwagon fans - taking credit for Rams NFL Championships?
I have yet to see one Browns fan answer two simple questions:
If the NFL Championship is the same as the Super Bowl - why are the Colts and Vikings more remembered for losing Super Bowl III and IV than winning the 1968 and 1969 NFL Championships? The Browns could have played in those Super Bowls - but lost by a combined 61-7 in those NFL Championship Games.
If the AAFC Championships are equivalent to Super Bowls - why doesn't Buffalo and San Diego and Houston celebrate their AFL Championships like Super Bowls? Why don't the Philadelphia fans celebrate their USFL Championships and Tampa Bay with their Arena Bowls? Only Cleveland fans seem to think the championships they won in a secondary league are equal to the NFL Championships.
FACT - so spinning, no slicing, no manipulation.
THE NFL REGARDS THE NFL AND AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS AT THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE OF NFC AND AFC CHAMPIONSHIPS
- Teams are awarded Trophies - Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas for NFC
- Players are awarded Conference Championship Rings
The Steelers have played for 15 AFC Championships - the Browns have played for 11 NFL/AFC Championships. The Steelers have won 8, the Browns have won 4.
Utlimately - no slicing or dicing or manipulation:
The Steelers to play in/win AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl - they had to win 30 postseason games (losing 9).
The Browns to play in/win NFL Championship Game or AFC Championship Game - they had to win 10 postseason games (losing 11).
I realize it's such a mismatch - next thing you'll bring up is how the Browns were in the original Tecmo Bowl and those championships should count. But the reality is the Browns have seen 5 Cleveland/NE Ohio Franchises either fold or leave town while the Steelers remain the same franchise since 1933. But, you go on believing you have the greatest fanbase of all time. You're obviously delusional anyway.
Tell you what - YOU slice, dice, obfuscate, pederate and manipulate.
I'll state truth and fact.
Cleveland/NE Ohio has 13 championships. The Cleveland Browns have 4 NFL Championships and 4 AAFC Championships, the Cleveland/Canton Bulldogs have 3 NFL Championships, the Akron Pros have 1 NFL Championship and the Cleveland Rams have 1 NFL Championship. Are you really consolidating 5 teams from 3 different leagues to compare to the success of the Steelers alone? You're pulling in teams from Akron and Canton and considering them as part of the Browns history? You're taking the Rams history to bolster the history of Cleveland to compare to the Steelers?
I am taking the history of football in Northeast Ohio. Just as I am taking the history of football of Western PA. The CLEVELAND Rams won the 1945 NFL title. It wasn't the LA Rams or the St. Louis Rams. (And FYI, I am only including 2 leagues in the NEO titles. Don't know where you got the third league....but I would have included a third league...the AFL.
You must be new on here, because you apparently have not seen my compilations.
You're accusing me of manipulating? You - who represent a fanbase that accuses the Steelers of being bandwagon fans - taking credit for Rams NFL Championships?
The CLEVELAND Rams won that title. What is it about that you don't comprehend?
When I do my compilations, the titles earned are given to the city in which they were earned. The fact that that franchise may have moved on...or moved out (gone defunct) is irrelevent. When counting the titles won by "Baltimore", I certainly include the titles won by the Colts when they were there. When counting the titles won by LA, I certainly include the titles won by the Rams and the Raiders when they were there. When counting the titles won by Houston...or by Dallas, I certainly include the titles won by the Oilers in the AFL to Houston, and the title won by the Dallas Texans to Dallas.
Look up any listing you want of the history of the football. You will never find one that says the "St. Louis Rams" won the 1945 NFL titles.
I have yet to see one Browns fan answer two simple questions:
If the NFL Championship is the same as the Super Bowl - why are the Colts and Vikings more remembered for losing Super Bowl III and IV than winning the 1968 and 1969 NFL Championships? The Browns could have played in those Super Bowls - but lost by a combined 61-7 in those NFL Championship Games.
The 1968 Colts and the 1969 Vikings don't get titles because they didn't win the ultimate title game in place at the time.
You see....we go by the rules in place at the time. Whoever wins their ultimate title game...gets the title.
If the AAFC Championships are equivalent to Super Bowls - why doesn't Buffalo and San Diego and Houston celebrate their AFL Championships like Super Bowls?
Who says they don't. I know for a fact that in some of those places they do indeed do just that. They are an example of the above....they, along with the Browns of the AAFC (and the Eagles in '48/49 and Cards of '47 etc.) get a title counted because they won the ultimate title game that was available to them to win.
Would it have been nice to have had AAFC/NFL title games played in 46-49? Would it have been nice to have NFL/AFL title games played in 1960-1965? Yes, that would have all been nice. But it didn't happen. A team that won a title doesn't get "punished" or relegated for the fact that the rules in place at the time didn't allow for a title game. In '68 and '69 the rules WERE in place.
Why don't the Philadelphia fans celebrate their USFL Championships and Tampa Bay with their Arena Bowls? Only Cleveland fans seem to think the championships they won in a secondary league are equal to the NFL Championships.
First answer: All these compilers don't count the USFL because it NEVER merged with the NFL. Both the AFL and the AAFC did merge. The USFL is totally defunct. No team that is a remnant of that league exists today. Teams from the AAFC still exist: 49ers, Browns, Colts. Obviously team from the AFL exist today.
Second answer: You clearly do NOT know your facts, because if you did, you would know that the AAFC was by no means a "secondary" league to the NFL in that time. The AAFC during its years had better attendance than the NFL, paid its players better....and, to a large degree had better players. The AAFC allowed African Americans to play, where the NFL didn't, to start with. The problem with the AAFC was that the Browns were too dominant.
FACT - so spinning, no slicing, no manipulation.
Actually, no. You only cite what you think are facts...as you would like them to be. Not as they are. This is typical Steeler fan behaviour.
THE NFL REGARDS THE NFL AND AFL CHAMPIONSHIPS AT THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE OF NFC AND AFC CHAMPIONSHIPS
- Teams are awarded Trophies - Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas for NFC
- Players are awarded Conference Championship Rings
The NFL does NO such thing. There is NO policy officially in place regarding the NFL/NFC/AFL/AFC business. Show me the NFL bylaws that say that. The NFL is not in that business. The fact that they give trophies and rings is not the issue. The NFL/AFL/AAFC gave trophies and rings to their pre-"Super Bowl" championship teams as well. What does that prove? Perhaps only that trophies and rings should be reserved for champions, not second place teams.
The Steelers have played for 15 AFC Championships - the Browns have played for 11 NFL/AFC Championships. The Steelers have won 8, the Browns have won 4.
Utlimately - no slicing or dicing or manipulation:
The Steelers to play in/win AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl - they had to win 30 postseason games (losing 9).
The Browns to play in/win NFL Championship Game or AFC Championship Game - they had to win 10 postseason games (losing 11).
Again, that is simply a matter of playing by the rules that were in place at the time. Playoffs have been expanded...so naturally more games are going to be played.
Remember this: if the Steelers played under rules in place during the time the Browns were winning most of their titles, they would never even have been allowed into the playoffs in 2005. No wildcards were invited.
I realize it's such a mismatch - next thing you'll bring up is how the Browns were in the original Tecmo Bowl and those championships should count. But the reality is the Browns have seen 5 Cleveland/NE Ohio Franchises either fold or leave town while the Steelers remain the same franchise since 1933. But, you go on believing you have the greatest fanbase of all time. You're obviously delusional anyway.
Cleveland has seen 1 franchise fold or move since 1933. That was the Rams who chose to move out of Cleveland in 1946 because they did not want to compete with Paul Brown and the Browns. The Browns have never moved nor folded. If you want the legalities of that, I will be glad to recite them to you.
(Yes, Cleveland/NEO did have a number of franchises fold during the formative years of the league between 1920-1926....of course, that was an era when NEOhio may have had as many as 3 teams.....and when Pittsburgh was considered unworthy to have even one.)
Also....FYI, the Steelers DID actually fold not once, but twice...temporarily in 1943 and again in 1944. In 1943 they were merged into the Philadelphia Eagles. They became popularly known as the Steagles, though officially the team was known simply as the Philadelphia Eagles. Unofficially they were Phil/Pitt. Art Rooney was a considered a co-owner of that team. The following year, 1944, Rooney merged with the Cardinals to become the Carpets. But after the war, the Steelers did re-emerge in their own right again.
- Teams are awarded Trophies - Lamar Hunt Trophy for AFC, George Halas for NFC
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Tally of Professional Football titles won by city/region:
Cleveland 13 (1 Pros, 3 Bulldogs, 1 Rams, 8 Browns)
Green Bay 13 all by Packers
Chicago 11 (9 Bears, 2 Cardinals)
New York 8 (7 Giants, 1 Jets)
SF/Oak/SJ 7 (5 49ers, 2 Raiders)
Dallas 6 (5 Cowboys, 1 Texans)
Pittsburgh 6 all by Steelers
Wash. DC 5 all by Redskins
Baltimore 4 (3 by Colts, 1 by Ravens)
Boston/NE 4 (3 by Patriots, 1 by Providence Steam Roller)
Detroit 4 all by Lions
Philadelphia 4 (3 by Eagles, 1 by Frankford Yellow Jackets)
Buffalo 2 all by Bills
Denver 2 all by Broncos
Houston 2 all by Oilers
LA/Anaheim 2 (1 by Rams, 1 by Raiders)
Miami 2 all by Dolphins
Indianapolis 1 by Colts
Kansas City 1 by Chiefs
New Orleans 1 by Saints
St. Louis 1 by Rams
San Diego 1 by Chargers
Tampa Bay 1 by Bucs
Current NFL cities with no titles:
Atlanta, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Nashville, Phoenix/Ariz, Seattle,
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As typical of a Browns fan as an addict who thinks taking more painkillers will solve their addiction problem, or economists that think that printing more money and putting us more into debt will solve the U.S. debt problems. You are in denial.
Fact - the article is named Browns are better than Steelers. However, you refer to championships won by other franchises, some defunct, one that moved as evidence of superiority.
Fact - the Browns refer to AAFC Championships as equal to that of NFL Championships. Of 9 original AAFC teams, most were terrible and lost money - ultimately only 2 survived. All 4 championships won were against teams that are defunct - and in 1949 the Browns were in a division with no other teams, providing a guarantee they would play for the championship. Sorry, but if a High School team played against an 8th grade team and won, that is no significant accomplishment.
Fact - fans of former AFL franchises do not celebrate titles nor give them any significance. Only Browns fans, with so little else to celebrate, engage in this behavior. Ask a Buffalo Bills fan, they will put far more credence on the 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses and in particular Scott Norwood's miss - most would not even know (nor care) about AFL success.
Fact - the measuring stick of the NFL is the Super Bowl. The NFL does acknowledge its history - but does not celebrate nor observe NFL Championships in the same manner that it does the Super Bowl. Even the Green Bay Packers fan are more focused on the Lombardi Trophy than the NFL Championships it won in 1966 and 1967.
Fact - the 2005 Steelers would not have qualified for the postseason because there was no wild card, that ignores the fact that if those same rules applied, the 1992, 1994, 2001 and 2004 Steelers would automatically have played for the championship as there was no playoff and they had the best regular season record. What you miss is not only was there no playoff, there were no divisions. The best record in the regular season qualified for the NFL Championship Game.
Fact - the Conference Championship Game and the NFL/AFL Championship Games have more in common than they do the Super Bowl, in particular once a division and playoff system began. A championship could be won with one post season victory, played with home field advantage. The Super Bowl requires winning on a neutral site and being the champion out of a league of 28-32 teams as opposed to being a champion of a league less than half the size.
Fact - the NFL Championship Trophy that was presented was a replica - the trophy was named the Ed Thorpe Memorial Trophy (last presented to Minnesota) and has been lost for 40 years. Not exactly the Stanley Cup treatment. Curious how the Browns do not feature a display of their Championship Trophies -- it's pretty simple to find where teams display the Vince Lombardi Trophy.
Sorry Gipper - but the reality is that the Cleveland Browns favorite past time of referring to the Steelers fan base as not acknowleging 40 years of their existance are basically doing the same thing, just celebrating championships of an era where football had only a fraction of its current popularity (even going so far as to take pride in championships won by other franchises) and looking past 40 years of their own futility.
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As typical of a Browns fan as an addict who thinks taking more painkillers will solve their addiction problem, or economists that think that printing more money and putting us more into debt will solve the U.S. debt problems. You are in denial.
Fact - the article is named Browns are better than Steelers. However, you refer to championships won by other franchises, some defunct, one that moved as evidence of superiority.
Fact - the Browns refer to AAFC Championships as equal to that of NFL Championships. Of 9 original AAFC teams, most were terrible and lost money - ultimately only 2 survived. All 4 championships won were against teams that are defunct - and in 1949 the Browns were in a division with no other teams, providing a guarantee they would play for the championship. Sorry, but if a High School team played against an 8th grade team and won, that is no significant accomplishment.
Fact - fans of former AFL franchises do not celebrate titles nor give them any significance. Only Browns fans, with so little else to celebrate, engage in this behavior. Ask a Buffalo Bills fan, they will put far more credence on the 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses and in particular Scott Norwood's miss - most would not even know (nor care) about AFL success.
Fact - the measuring stick of the NFL is the Super Bowl. The NFL does acknowledge its history - but does not celebrate nor observe NFL Championships in the same manner that it does the Super Bowl. Even the Green Bay Packers fan are more focused on the Lombardi Trophy than the NFL Championships it won in 1966 and 1967.
Fact - the 2005 Steelers would not have qualified for the postseason because there was no wild card, that ignores the fact that if those same rules applied, the 1992, 1994, 2001 and 2004 Steelers would automatically have played for the championship as there was no playoff and they had the best regular season record. What you miss is not only was there no playoff, there were no divisions. The best record in the regular season qualified for the NFL Championship Game.
Fact - the Conference Championship Game and the NFL/AFL Championship Games have more in common than they do the Super Bowl, in particular once a division and playoff system began. A championship could be won with one post season victory, played with home field advantage. The Super Bowl requires winning on a neutral site and being the champion out of a league of 28-32 teams as opposed to being a champion of a league less than half the size.
Fact - the NFL Championship Trophy that was presented was a replica - the trophy was named the Ed Thorpe Memorial Trophy (last presented to Minnesota) and has been lost for 40 years. Not exactly the Stanley Cup treatment. Curious how the Browns do not feature a display of their Championship Trophies -- it's pretty simple to find where teams display the Vince Lombardi Trophy.
Sorry Gipper - but the reality is that the Cleveland Browns favorite past time of referring to the Steelers fan base as not acknowleging 40 years of their existance are basically doing the same thing, just celebrating championships of an era where football had only a fraction of its current popularity (even going so far as to take pride in championships won by other franchises) and looking past 40 years of their own futility.
As typical of a Browns fan as an addict who thinks taking more painkillers will solve their addiction problem, or economists that think that printing more money and putting us more into debt will solve the U.S. debt problems. You are in denial.
Fact - the article is named Browns are better than Steelers. However, you refer to championships won by other franchises, some defunct, one that moved as evidence of superiority.
Fact: I don't give a shit what the name of a thread is. I give facts based on what facts are, not based on some artificial limitation that you wish to set.. I can't help it that you hate the truth of history. I suppose you are a Holocaust denier as well.
Fact - the Browns refer to AAFC Championships as equal to that of NFL Championships. Of 9 original AAFC teams, most were terrible and lost money - ultimately only 2 survived. All 4 championships won were against teams that are defunct - and in 1949 the Browns were in a division with no other teams, providing a guarantee they would play for the championship. Sorry, but if a High School team played against an 8th grade team and won, that is no significant accomplishment.
FACt: The Cleveland Browns are a franchise in the National Football League. All reputable sources list their AAFC titles along with any NFL titles won. When I list my titles won, I list all titles won by all teams in the NFL, and those defunct teams that won titles. Like the Providence Steamroller, Frankford Yellow Jackets etc. etc. Again, these are the facts. I don't expect you to like them. But they are what they are. They are facts. They are titles.
Fact - fans of former AFL franchises do not celebrate titles nor give them any significance. Only Browns fans, with so little else to celebrate, engage in this behavior. Ask a Buffalo Bills fan, they will put far more credence on the 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses and in particular Scott Norwood's miss - most would not even know (nor care) about AFL success.
FACT: You are double dumbass wrong about that. You only want to believe that so that you can continue with your delusion.
Fact - the measuring stick of the NFL is the Super Bowl. The NFL does acknowledge its history - but does not celebrate nor observe NFL Championships in the same manner that it does the Super Bowl. Even the Green Bay Packers fan are more focused on the Lombardi Trophy than the NFL Championships it won in 1966 and 1967.
FACT: the measuring stick now is the Super Bowl. That is because that is what its current championship game is. The measuring stick at the time before the Super Ball Bowl was played was every bit as important. Trust me. I was alive then. I assume you were not, so I assume you have no clue.
Fact - the 2005 Steelers would not have qualified for the postseason because there was no wild card, that ignores the fact that if those same rules applied, the 1992, 1994, 2001 and 2004 Steelers would automatically have played for the championship as there was no playoff and they had the best regular season record. What you miss is not only was there no playoff, there were no divisions. The best record in the regular season qualified for the NFL Championship Game.
Now you are getting it: different rules apply to different times. I am simply going by whatever rules applied at the time that particular season is played. I am not trying to deny the Steelers a title simply because they won it as a WC. I am simply demonstrating that ALL teams that have won titles throughout history have had different methods and criteria under which those titles were contested. Since all those rules were different at different times, I don't exclude anyone that won a title. They ALL get counted because ALL those teams compete by the rules in place. The Packers and Bears and Giants and Cardinals and other teams have won titles in which there was NO playoff system at all. So be it. They all get counted.
Fact - the Conference Championship Game and the NFL/AFL Championship Games have more in common than they do the Super Bowl, in particular once a division and playoff system began. A championship could be won with one post season victory, played with home field advantage. The Super Bowl requires winning on a neutral site and being the champion out of a league of 28-32 teams as opposed to being a champion of a league less than half the size.
Yea. Like I said. With different years and in different eras the playoff system....or lack thereof....has been different. Thus, they all get included. Too bad. Those are the facts. They all count.
If you took your argument to its extreme, then NO titles contested before 2002 should count for anything. After all, the playoff system was different. The division and conference setups were different. There were fewer teams than there are now. You could take your absurd argument to a nauseating level if you would like.
The fact is, you are like George Wallace or Bull Connor. All you want to do is discriminate. No Coloreds allowed. Or in your case: no titles allowed for any time when the Steelers were a piece of shit franchise and couldn't compete.
We get it, racist.
Fact - the NFL Championship Trophy that was presented was a replica - the trophy was named the Ed Thorpe Memorial Trophy (last presented to Minnesota) and has been lost for 40 years. Not exactly the Stanley Cup treatment. Curious how the Browns do not feature a display of their Championship Trophies -- it's pretty simple to find where teams display the Vince Lombardi Trophy.
Uh, wrong. The Browns indeed have a display of their Championship Trophies. Besides, who cares about trinkets. The Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are lost to history. Are you suggesting that because that is the case the religious bases of the Christian and Hebrew religions are invalid?
Sorry Gipper - but the reality is that the Cleveland Browns favorite past time of referring to the Steelers fan base as not acknowleging 40 years of their existance are basically doing the same thing, just celebrating championships of an era where football had only a fraction of its current popularity (even going so far as to take pride in championships won by other franchises) and looking past 40 years of their own futility.
A fraction of its current popularity? Wrong? The Browns were pulling in 80,000+ to their stadium. They were pulling in 75-80% market share of the TV viewing audience. (Those numbers still basically stand to this day by the way). The same can be said for many other markets as well. Detroit, New York, Green Bay, Chicago, LA, Philadelphia, etc. etc. etc. The NFL was every bit as popular then as it is now...if not more so. The attendance a viewership were all larger in NFL markets. There are more markets now with expansion, and more games on TV, but the popularity has by no means increased.
What you really saying is that that was an era when the STeelers only had a fraction of their current popularity.
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I know. FAG will not like these facts as they don't fit his delusion. Nevertheless, these are the facts from pro-football reference. You know, its not like I make this shit up.:
2010 NFL Super Bowl XLV: Green Bay Packers (NFC,10-6) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4), Score: 31-25
2009 NFL Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans Saints (NFC,13-3) defeated Indianapolis Colts (AFC,14-2), Score: 31-17
2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23
2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14
2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17
2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10
2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21
2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29
2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21
2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17
2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7
1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16
1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19
1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24
1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21
1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17
1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26
1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13
1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17
1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24
1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19
1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10
1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16
1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10
1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20
1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10
1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16
1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9
1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17
1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21
1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10
1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19
1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31
1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10
1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14
1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17
1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6
1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7
1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7
1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3
1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13
1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7
1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7
1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14
1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10
1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)
1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)
1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)
1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)
1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)
1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)
1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)
1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)
1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)
1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)
1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)
1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)
1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)
1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)
1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)
1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)
1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)
1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)
1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)
1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)
1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)
1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)
1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)
1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)
1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)
1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)
1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)
1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)
1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)
1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)
1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)
1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)
1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)
1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)
1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)
1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)
1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)
1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)
1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)
1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)
1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)
1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)
1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)
1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)
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Again, it not like I make this shit up:
Wikipedia, history of National Football League Championship
The Most Successful franchises
(*) Does not include the AFL or NFL Championships won during the same seasons as the AFL-NFL Super Bowl Championships from 1966 prior to the 1970 AFL-NFL Merger, nether for the winning or losing team of the Super Bowl.
(†) Defunct NFL franchises
(#) Current NFL Champion
Franchise NFL Championships AFL Championships AAFC Championships Super Bowls Total
Green Bay Packers# 9* 4 13
Chicago Bears 8 1 9
Cleveland Browns 4 4[17] 8
New York Giants 4 3 7
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 6
Washington Redskins 2 3 5
Dallas Cowboys 5 5
San Francisco 49ers 5 5
Detroit Lions 4 4
Indianapolis Colts 2* 2 4
Oakland Raiders * 3 3
Philadelphia Eagles 3 3
St. Louis Rams 2 1 3
New England Patriots 3 3
Arizona Cardinals 2 2
Canton Bulldogs†2 2
Kansas City Chiefs 1* 1 2
Buffalo Bills 2 2
Tennessee Titans 2 2
Denver Broncos 2 2
Miami Dolphins 2 2
Akron Pros†1 1
Cleveland Bulldogs†1 1
Frankford Yellow Jackets†1 1
Providence Steam Roller†1 1
New York Jets * 1 1
San Diego Chargers 1 1
Baltimore Ravens 1 1
New Orleans Saints 1 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 1
Minnesota Vikings * 0
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