Question For Heck
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Heck, for the sake of consistency, would you rate the intelligence of everyone who posted in this thread, yourself included? I'm just trying to get a grasp of your scale, but I've got many of the same questions that sev brought up.
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I suppose that Obamao will be rated as "brilliant" ... a nine on that ten scale.
But he continually says stupid things. Wouldn't that mean he doesn't "process information" better than
Bachmann?
I mean, do we have to post his saying he was in Asia, when he was actually in Hawaii? Yes, you ignore that.
Do we have to bring up the "57 States" thing again?
And, Obamao did it again, saying he was in one place, when he was actually a different place.
My God, how does this bias thing work? One dumb statement immediately categorizes a conservative you don't like...
but many dumb statements by a lib you DO like, and they are still brilliant.
Sure. That's just par for the corrupt thinking course.
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You want me to rate these people on their intelligence?
Nancy Pelosi 6.5
Harry Reid 6
Joe Biden 6
Charles Rangel 5.5
Barney Frank 8.5
Does this confirm my bias, too?
You want me to rate these people on their intelligence?
Nancy Pelosi 6.5
Harry Reid 6
Joe Biden 6
Charles Rangel 5.5
Barney Frank 8.5
Does this confirm my bias, too?
Heck are those based on my scale? IF so I dont know a ton about Barney Frank, I am intrigued and going to look up some stuff tonight.
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No, it's entirely subjective.
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No, it's entirely subjective.
No, it's entirely subjective.
Thanks, again, for your response Heck.
I wouldn't say you proved me wwwwwwwwwwwww......................rongggggggggggggggg.
One snapshot doesn't define a trend!
PS This thread has taken some strange twists and turns. Like I said before things don't always need to be THAT complicated.
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No, it's entirely subjective.
No, it's entirely subjective.
And that's fair enough.
My own perception may very a bit but what the hell.
I'd say it takes a great deal of intelligence to get through any complicated or extremely disciplined advanced college course.
Some people have more of a knack for learning things than others.
Thats intelligence and it is measurable.
In the music world we call it talent. Anybody that spends an hour a day practicing will learn to play an instrument probably fairly well, but there will be a few who really become good.
Again Heck, where do you put the president, and why?
WSS
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Michelle Bachmann has shown a complete inability to process information, or to discern fact from fiction, or conspiracy theory from reality, or what someone tells her on the street from what is true. Is that dumb? If it's not, it's certainly a relative. She's a hard worker and has some political skill, but there's no question that she's not some sort of intellectual heavyweight. Honestly, her opinions would fit in better on message board like this one. I find the idea that she's a somewhat powerful Congresswoman and ranks high on a committee that deals with questions she obviously knows next to nothing about, and is also running for president, and even garnered a bit of a following at one point, to be a sad commentary on where our politics are today.
So what earned her the 3 intelligence points?
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Obama (D) 7-8
Dick Armey ranges
6-8Barney Frank (D) 7-8
Newt Gingrich
6-8Michelle Bachmann
3-5Nancy Pelosi (D) 3-5
Harry Reid (D)3-6
Joe Biden (D) 3-5
Charlie Rangel(D) 5-8
Rick Perry
4-5Ron Paul
7-8* I went thru each list at random so as not to just look at one party
* I used my scale in defining the values
* college quality was the biggest driving factor sourced from Wikipedia
* tighter ranges are based on my confidence in rendering an opinion
Now that I am done, for me it seems like my perception is that both parties pretty much have parity (based on my subjective opinion)
Just for fun..
Palin 1-3
Bush Jr 3-6.5
Clinton 7-9
Reagan 5-7
Carter 9
Bush Sr 8-9
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Michelle Bachmann has shown a complete inability to process information, or to discern fact from fiction, or conspiracy theory from reality, or what someone tells her on the street from what is true. Is that dumb? If it's not, it's certainly a relative. She's a hard worker and has some political skill, but there's no question that she's not some sort of intellectual heavyweight. Honestly, her opinions would fit in better on message board like this one. I find the idea that she's a somewhat powerful Congresswoman and ranks high on a committee that deals with questions she obviously knows next to nothing about, and is also running for president, and even garnered a bit of a following at one point, to be a sad commentary on where our politics are today.
So what earned her the 3 intelligence points?
So what earned her the 3 intelligence points?
Because obviously there are people who can't even do what she does. There are people who are less educated, who possess no real knowledge at all.
If we were just talking about the 535 members of Congress, I'd say she'd rank in the bottom 50. But she'd also have some company.
Congress is all over the place. You have people who are really bright and exceptionally talented in certain areas, and you have lots of competent people, and then you have some total whack jobs who you wouldn't trust to babysit your pets.
What most of all of them have is drive. It's very exhausting being a member of Congress. It's a real shitty job, with part of virtually every day spent on the phone asking people for money. It takes a particular personality type.
Say what you want about Bachmann, she is a pretty tireless woman. And relentlessly kind in person, from what people tell me.
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Hey Sev.
Your criteria don't look all that bad but I think your overlooking the fact that there are a lot of other things that determine whether or not you make it into an ivy league college.
Not to mention the fact that desire and drive really count a lot as far as whether or not you get a degree and how good your grades might be. There are probably a lot of people with a genius iq who attend cleveland state or don't apply themselves all that much or don't go to college at all.
But you probably need more brands to major in engineering at mit than you do for theater at akron u.
WSS
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Hey Sev.
Your criteria don't look all that bad but I think your overlooking the fact that there are a lot of other things that determine whether or not you make it into an ivy league college.
Not to mention the fact that desire and drive really count a lot as far as whether or not you get a degree and how good your grades might be. There are probably a lot of people with a genius iq who attend cleveland state or don't apply themselves all that much or don't go to college at all.
But you probably need more brands to major in engineering at mit than you do for theater at akron u.
WSS
Hey Sev.
Your criteria don't look all that bad but I think your overlooking the fact that there are a lot of other things that determine whether or not you make it into an ivy league college.
Not to mention the fact that desire and drive really count a lot as far as whether or not you get a degree and how good your grades might be. There are probably a lot of people with a genius iq who attend cleveland state or don't apply themselves all that much or don't go to college at all.
But you probably need more brands to major in engineering at mit than you do for theater at akron u.
WSS
I could not agree more, however I did not want to get lost in the weeds of a subject matter that already is pretty murky... "IQ" is by itself subjective and I dont believe that there is a way to measure and define the different abilities in humans.
I dont want to go too much into that subject because it is just so large, I was just trying to get something simple and sort of objective.
In one of my posts in this thread I referenced an individual that I know personally that did not attend any level of formal higher education. I stand by my opinion that his abilities are well into "genius" or would be graded by the current methodologies and tests into that definition. He could easily attend any school in the U.S. but frankly learns on his own at a frightening speed. He does not care for any formal paper accolades or the methodology of seminar/lab/session to homework/project to quiz/testing.
He learns in more of an experiential method, and supplements from published data..... now that is not the way most people can but for him and I suspect a lot of other more "hands on" leaning individuals this works.
Either way, I stand by my subjective opinions and think the range of intelligence in either party is pretty equal.
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Hey Sev.
Your criteria don't look all that bad but I think your overlooking the fact that there are a lot of other things that determine whether or not you make it into an ivy league college.
Not to mention the fact that desire and drive really count a lot as far as whether or not you get a degree and how good your grades might be. There are probably a lot of people with a genius iq who attend cleveland state or don't apply themselves all that much or don't go to college at all.
But you probably need more brands to major in engineering at mit than you do for theater at akron u.
WSS
I could not agree more, however I did not want to get lost in the weeds of a subject matter that already is pretty murky... "IQ" is by itself subjective and I dont believe that there is a way to measure and define the different abilities in humans.
I dont want to go too much into that subject because it is just so large, I was just trying to get something simple and sort of objective.
In one of my posts in this thread I referenced an individual that I know personally that did not attend any level of formal higher education. I stand by my opinion that his abilities are well into "genius" or would be graded by the current methodologies and tests into that definition. He could easily attend any school in the U.S. but frankly learns on his own at a frightening speed. He does not care for any formal paper accolades or the methodology of seminar/lab/session to homework/project to quiz/testing.
He learns in more of an experiential method, and supplements from published data..... now that is not the way most people can but for him and I suspect a lot of other more "hands on" leaning individuals this works.
Either way, I stand by my subjective opinions and think the range of intelligence in either party is pretty equal.
I could not agree more, however I did not want to get lost in the weeds of a subject matter that already is pretty murky... "IQ" is by itself subjective and I dont believe that there is a way to measure and define the different abilities in humans.
I dont want to go too much into that subject because it is just so large, I was just trying to get something simple and sort of objective.
In one of my posts in this thread I referenced an individual that I know personally that did not attend any level of formal higher education. I stand by my opinion that his abilities are well into "genius" or would be graded by the current methodologies and tests into that definition. He could easily attend any school in the U.S. but frankly learns on his own at a frightening speed. He does not care for any formal paper accolades or the methodology of seminar/lab/session to homework/project to quiz/testing.
He learns in more of an experiential method, and supplements from published data..... now that is not the way most people can but for him and I suspect a lot of other more "hands on" leaning individuals this works.
Either way, I stand by my subjective opinions and think the range of intelligence in either party is pretty equal.
What does your friend do? He sounds awesome.
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The Ivy Leagues are hardly the only repository of intelligent life in America. You can find lots of very highly educated stupid people in Cambridge, believe me.
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The Ivy Leagues are hardly the only repository of intelligent life in America. You can find lots of very highly educated stupid people in Cambridge, believe me.
The Ivy Leagues are hardly the only repository of intelligent life in America. You can find lots of very highly educated stupid people in Cambridge, believe me.
It's probably a lot more difficult to NOT find one.
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Well, I wouldn't say that.
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