Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt Mccoy-Poll
-
It's pretty much guaranteed. You invest a first round pick on a QB...especially a top 10(maybe top 5) pick and it sets Ur team back a decade. The money and time you have to invest in a first round QB means not only are you rebuilding, but you also have to give him time to succeed which could be up to 5 years
If he fails in those 5 years you scramble to find a replacement in free agency and begin rebuilding all over again. By the time you get over the fear of drafting another first round QB so much time has gone by
It's not true for every position but QBs are an all-in type pick
You pick the face of Ur franchise for the next several years and it either works out or it cripples you
Examples...Tim couch...Brady Quinn
First off, your whole argument hinges on the fact that RG3, Luck, or Barkley are busts.
Second, the investment has never been cheaper based on new rookie wages.
Last of all, you can't be set back anymore than we already are.
Watch a game.
First off, your whole argument hinges on the fact that RG3, Luck, or Barkley are busts.
Second, the investment has never been cheaper based on new rookie wages.
Last of all, you can't be set back anymore than we already are.
Watch a game.
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
-
First off, your whole argument hinges on the fact that RG3, Luck, or Barkley are busts.
Second, the investment has never been cheaper based on new rookie wages.
Last of all, you can't be set back anymore than we already are.
Watch a game.
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
-
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan?
Actually the colts were still bad with manning in his first seasons...why not give colt that kind of confidence? The saints also brought a stellar draft class in with drew who was not a draft pick...he was a free agent. The falcons were a competitive team before drafting Matt Ryan so Ur wrong about that one
A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
first off...colt has great accuracy and that's the most important attribute for any QB in a west coast offense. He throws far too much to be just a game manager and this is only his first full season as a starter. Not only that but he has scrubs that he's throwing the ball to. Why not try and help a prior investment than start from scratch be drafting a completely new QB?
Colt and Seneca are both good enough to play in the NFL. QBs like Brady brees and manning don't come around very often so if Ur hoping for a guy like that keep dreaming. If you want a guy who can win games you already have it in colt McCoy. The problem is he has nobody to throw it to and nobody blocking for him
Joe Thomas and Alex Mack are great but 2 out of 11 guys on offense aren't going to carry a team to the playoffs
-
First off, your whole argument hinges on the fact that RG3, Luck, or Barkley are busts.
Second, the investment has never been cheaper based on new rookie wages.
Last of all, you can't be set back anymore than we already are.
Watch a game.
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
You build an offense and in many ways a team around a qb. You draft players for him, you design plays for him. He is the offense. If he sucks, the offense sucks. Stop acting like it takes a decade to build a team. You've bought too far into the Holmgrenomics.
-
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
You build an offense and in many ways a team around a qb. You draft players for him, you design plays for him. He is the offense. If he sucks, the offense sucks. Stop acting like it takes a decade to build a team. You've bought too far into the Holmgrenomics.
You build an offense and in many ways a team around a qb. You draft players for him, you design plays for him. He is the offense. If he sucks, the offense sucks. Stop acting like it takes a decade to build a team. You've bought too far into the Holmgrenomics.
And u r buying too much into espn. There are 53 guys on a team. The QB may be the leader but you can't win w just a QB. You are the type of person that really thinks Tebow is winning all these games for Denver huh?
-
You build an offense and in many ways a team around a qb. You draft players for him, you design plays for him. He is the offense. If he sucks, the offense sucks. Stop acting like it takes a decade to build a team. You've bought too far into the Holmgrenomics.
And u r buying too much into espn. There are 53 guys on a team. The QB may be the leader but you can't win w just a QB. You are the type of person that really thinks Tebow is winning all these games for Denver huh?
And u r buying too much into espn. There are 53 guys on a team. The QB may be the leader but you can't win w just a QB. You are the type of person that really thinks Tebow is winning all these games for Denver huh?
They have 2 firsts. They can draft ANOTHER 1st round talent.
-
And u r buying too much into espn. There are 53 guys on a team. The QB may be the leader but you can't win w just a QB. You are the type of person that really thinks Tebow is winning all these games for Denver huh?
They have 2 firsts. They can draft ANOTHER 1st round talent.
They have 2 firsts. They can draft ANOTHER 1st round talent.
They have a second round QB right now. Why would they draft a first rounder this year? It's stupid to give up on a player...especially a QB after only 2 seasons
The browns could have a first round tackle and WR or linebacker or defensive end etc
Why waste a pick on a position that they've already addressed less than2 seasons ago?
-
They have 2 firsts. They can draft ANOTHER 1st round talent.
They have a second round QB right now. Why would they draft a first rounder this year? It's stupid to give up on a player...especially a QB after only 2 seasons
The browns could have a first round tackle and WR or linebacker or defensive end etc
Why waste a pick on a position that they've already addressed less than2 seasons ago?
They have a second round QB right now. Why would they draft a first rounder this year? It's stupid to give up on a player...especially a QB after only 2 seasons
The browns could have a first round tackle and WR or linebacker or defensive end etc
Why waste a pick on a position that they've already addressed less than2 seasons ago?
If you draft your Qb for the next decade its not a wasted pick. McCoy(3rd round btw) will not be a wasted pick because he'll make a great back up. Holmgren who can not field this same team next year and keep his job, will not entrust his future to McCoy.
-
Zombo said:
If he wins in an offensive explosion, you start him against Baltimore.
If he wins against Baltimore, you start him against Pittsburgh.
If he wins against Pittsburgh, I will marry him.
Zombo
If Seneca wins and cost us draft picks, i go BF3 on him, and anyone who thinks who need to win any games.
Lose them all get the best draft pick/s, get a real off season, come back next year with a plan and then execute it.
-
Whether Seneca wins or loses, The Browns WILL draft a QB in 2012.
-
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
Peyton Manning drafted in 1998 didn't win the Superbowl until 2006.
Drew Brees drafted in 2001 didn't win the Superbowl until 2009.
Matt Ryan...no superbowl to date
Both Peyton and Drew took EIGHT YEARS to get to the Superbowl.
No matter what it takes time...time that this fanbase and media will never give the FO.
BTW it took Bill Cowher 14 seasons to win the Superbowl...
TIME
WHICH IS THE ANTI-CHRIST IN CLEVELAND
Who let the DAWGS out?? -
Whether Seneca wins or loses, The Browns WILL draft a QB in 2012.
Whether Seneca wins or loses, The Browns WILL draft a QB in 2012.
Gee is that gut instinct or straight from Holmgrens lips that he drafts QB's every year (the lockout is the reason he didn't this year)????
-
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
I love hindsight. I agree we would have won more games this season if Wallace was the starter. He knows this system inside and out and at least is just as accurate as Colt is from what I've seen out of Colt this season.
It's pretty much guaranteed. You invest a first round pick on a QB...especially a top 10(maybe top 5) pick and it sets Ur team back a decade. The money and time you have to invest in a first round QB means not only are you rebuilding, but you also have to give him time to succeed which could be up to 5 years
If he fails in those 5 years you scramble to find a replacement in free agency and begin rebuilding all over again. By the time you get over the fear of drafting another first round QB so much time has gone by
It's not true for every position but QBs are an all-in type pick
You pick the face of Ur franchise for the next several years and it either works out or it cripples you
Examples...Tim couch...Brady Quinn
I would say it sets you back only 5 years or just depending on how long it takes the team to realize they need to start looking else where.
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
I agree that at least Seneca is good enough to get us through rebuilding, but I think we should still look QB if there is one they like this season. It never hurts to sit a QB for a season or two regardless of where you draft them, there is just a huge stigma about sitting a high draft pick. If Shurmer and the FO can shut out all the cries from fans and media to start the 1st round QB then there should be no problem drafting a Barkley or RGIII with the our first pick and then spending the rest of the draft/next years draft getting people to put around them.
-
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
You have no freeking clue about anything. There is a reason Wallace is the backup here: he ain't very good.
And I say, if they draft a QB, it could very well be with a late round pick....and that pick becomes the new Brett Favre. Let's see, who could that be?:
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi. Same school as Favre.
-
that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
Peyton Manning drafted in 1998 didn't win the Superbowl until 2006.
Drew Brees drafted in 2001 didn't win the Superbowl until 2009.
Matt Ryan...no superbowl to date
Both Peyton and Drew took EIGHT YEARS to get to the Superbowl.
No matter what it takes time...time that this fanbase and media will never give the FO.
BTW it took Bill Cowher 14 seasons to win the Superbowl...
TIME
WHICH IS THE ANTI-CHRIST IN CLEVELAND
Both Peyton and Drew took EIGHT YEARS to get to the Superbowl.
Yep it took some time alright. Oh yeah, and SOME REAL STARTING CALIBER QB TALENT to begin with!!!
Peyton and Drew were light years ahead of Colt at this point. You could see the superstar potential starting to show in their play. Never once has McCoy even given an iota of evidence that will ever happen with him.
Oh and don't go pull up some horseshit stat to make a point. Stats don't begin to tell that story. Colt will never ever never never ever never be Peyton. So if it takes 8 years for top tier Qbs to win SBs, we are wasting our time.
-
I think Colt is gone after this season regardless of how Seneca performs or how Colt finishes the season
Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt McCoy-POLL
I think Colt is gone after this season regardless of how Seneca performs or how Colt finishes the season
Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt McCoy-POLL
We will likely get our asses kicked so your poll is flawed
-
if we draft a qb next year, with all the holes we need to fill, then holmgren will be the biggest dumbest dick in nfl history.
-
I would like to add something here. Quarterback talk, for those who have no clue! The Browns have gone from stanky gutless clueless QB's for 10 years to Colt. Guess what maybe Colt is NOT the answer, but he plays with heart and came from winning which is now losing in Texas so that says something about Colt. He has ZERO weapons to work with, three useless running backs and a bunch of WR's who cannot get open and cannot catch
Colt may not be the answer to greatness, BUT IN NO WAY HE IS THE PROBLEM
and IF YOU ARE SO DUMB TO NOT SEE THAT, well quit submitting football analysis and start writing about which toilet paper serves your useless football brain ass best
-
How about this scenario: The Browns again trade down and go from about 8th into the early 20s of the first round, giving them an early 20s pick and a mid 20s pick with their ATL pick. Also, they get a 2d rounder in the mid 20s. That gives them 4 of the top 60 or so picks and they take:
Zack Brown LB North Carolina
Michael Floyed WR Notre Dame
Jonathan Banks CB Miss. St.
Kirk Cousins QB Mich St.
What say you all?
-
yes. i agree with rich4dick. colt might not be the answer but he is serviceable. fill the holes. get some weapons. (get a coach) then let's judge him. there are qbs every year in the draft. we need WR, RT, OLB, DE, CB, S, RB etc. etc.etc. etc.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login