Is It Just Steelers Fans Losing Interest In The New Nfl?
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I was just reading a post from another Steelers fan on a different board and he asked if it is just Steelers fans that are losing interest in the new NFL or if any other teams fans feel the same? This is all stemming from the wuss league being formed by Roger Goodell. Yes, Steelers fans have bit of a bad taste in their mouth from the Harrison suspension, but the way James plays is the way we're used to seeing the Steelers play.
If the new rules Goodell is putting into place were for everyone, then we could buy into the safety aspect of it, but it only covers QB's and on a limited basis, WR's. A running back can still have his brains bashed in legally, according to NFL rule. If McCoy were a RB and not a QB James Harrison would not have been flagged and suspended . How is that fair to RB's?
The Hines Ward rule? Come on! Can't block a guy if he cant see you? This league is trying to go pansy on us and it is losing fans. At least Steelers fans. Do you guys really enjoy the games just as much as you did 10 years ago? Do you like the direction the NFL is going? I know I'm going to get the smart-ass comments and I really wouldn't want it any other way, but I would like some insightful feed back as well.
I was just reading a post from another Steelers fan on a different board and he asked if it is just Steelers fans that are losing interest in the new NFL or if any other teams fans feel the same? This is all stemming from the wuss league being formed by Roger Goodell. Yes, Steelers fans have bit of a bad taste in their mouth from the Harrison suspension, but the way James plays is the way we're used to seeing the Steelers play.
If the new rules Goodell is putting into place were for everyone, then we could buy into the safety aspect of it, but it only covers QB's and on a limited basis, WR's. A running back can still have his brains bashed in legally, according to NFL rule. If McCoy were a RB and not a QB James Harrison would not have been flagged and suspended . How is that fair to RB's?
The Hines Ward rule? Come on! Can't block a guy if he cant see you? This league is trying to go pansy on us and it is losing fans. At least Steelers fans. Do you guys really enjoy the games just as much as you did 10 years ago? Do you like the direction the NFL is going? I know I'm going to get the smart-ass comments and I really wouldn't want it any other way, but I would like some insightful feed back as well.
If things are so bad for yinz, I suggest you all turn in your tickets and turn off your TV sets...as clearly you have all become a pile of Wendy Whiners. First off, I don't agree that Harrison plays the way Steeler fans are "used to seeing them play". No. Spearing with the helmet has been a penalty ever since at least the 70s.
The only thing that is "going pansy" are the spoiled Steeler fans who seemingly think that everything should always be geared to give that team an advantage.
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Replay pisses me off, along with the penalties & fines. The NFL officiating has deteriorated since replay came in- anybody see the Viking's game last week...how did they miss that facemask on the last play? Do you think if that was Big Ben, Tom Brady, or Rodgers, they would have missed that?
No they wouldn't have. You also notice a lot of QB hits others take besides those three that don't get flagged. I mean Taylor got a flag and a fine for just touching Big Ben's helmet, not hitting it but touching it, and he got called but how many times has Colt gotten slapped in the head this year and no one calls it not to mention all the times he gets hit low. Stupid rules that are only followed for a few people.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
No they wouldn't have. You also notice a lot of QB hits others take besides those three that don't get flagged. I mean Taylor got a flag and a fine for just touching Big Ben's helmet, not hitting it but touching it, and he got called but how many times has Colt gotten slapped in the head this year and no one calls it not to mention all the times he gets hit low. Stupid rules that are only followed for a few people.
OK, the rules HAVE changed when it comes to hitting QBs. A light tap to the head gets a flag, any tackle below the waist gets a flag, any tackle above the waist gets a flag.....hell if you saw that tackle made last week on Tom Brady any tackle AT the waist gets a flag...if it looks too hard.
I think the problem may not be the rules, but the refs not following the rules and going overboard.
But the spearing rules, as I have said, have been around forever. Look at this study, which was done in the mid-90s with data in it going back to the 60s and 70s.:
So, like I said, the rule is not new....just the concerns about it seem to be new.
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I'm so phukkin tired to listening to all the stupid yinzers call in to all the Pittsburgh talk shows trying to justify the hit. Harrison got what he deserved. Toss out all the excuses! McCoy wasn't getting past him. All he had to do was drop a shoulder into him. There was no need to hit him that high! It was a pretty stupid play for a man two games back from a broken face. Poetic justice would be if he re-broke his face!
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Here is another article from SI back in 1983 about spearing....noting that even unintentional spearing has always been a 15 yard penalty:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1120459/index.htm
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Men will always rule the world. Timid/meek people may inherit the earth after the end of days, but for today, the Lion wins and will continue to win.
If you think that a faggot with a woman's genitalia between his legs, polesmoking, P.O.S phony like Goddell is going to reshape the nature of tackling in the NFL, then you are truly a nincompoop.
All over America here are kids getting ready to play PeePee football, and who do you think they want to gow up to be like? McCoy, Massaquoi and Bribbs? Or, the sonofabitch that turned them into women.
Harrison is an icon, he is a symbol of machismo, disrespect, freedom of spirit and bad ass football. People pay to see animals like him perform.
For all of Godell's fines and bullshit suspensions, he will be outlasted and trumped by Harrison.
Godell is a homosexual.
Remember the Golden Rule Ghoolie- "he who has the gold makes the rules". And in that regard the owners trump the players by orders of magnitude. They also pull Goodell's puppet strings in case you didn't notice. If they didn't like they way he was running things, they could & would have fired him a long time ago.
It ain't Neanderthals like Harrison that put fans in the seats- it's the name quarterbacks like Brady and Brees. Don't beleive me? Go to a Steelers game and count the number of Rothlisberger jerseys in the stands as opposed to the number of Harrison jerseys- I'm betting the ratio is 20:1, if not higher. Owners get a tad riled when a thug puts their $28 million investment on the shelf for the season with an intent to injure hit. And Goon Harrison is the poster boy for it. Next hit like that sits him down for three games, not one, one more and he's gone for the year. Frankly I hope he does it again to another quarteback, he'll be sitting at home for the playoffs.
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yinz. yinzers. yokels. hicks. dicks. incestual fornicators. cock suckers. pillow biters. pink piccolo players. flamers. butt pirates. yawn.
all shittburger heraldry.
all you fuckin tough guys that think that the new rules are hurting football..........
can we dress you up in a colt mccoy uniform, go out on the field and have a roid orangutan come barreling at you with his "oh he short, so he can't lower his head, he's got a low center of gravity" 25 mph with a helmet over his large inflated neptune size noggin and crack you in your mug?
yeah right. fxxkin bitches. or better yet take a punch/elbow in the face from mike tyson back in his prime?
yeah. what now faggots?
now we got the saints fairy aligning himself with the steeler queers. i guess the mayans were right. they're all butt munchers.
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yinz. yinzers. yokels. hicks. dicks. incestual fornicators. cock suckers. pillow biters. pink piccolo players. flamers. butt pirates. yawn.
all shittburger heraldry.
all you fuckin tough guys that think that the new rules are hurting football..........
can we dress you up in a colt mccoy uniform, go out on the field and have a roid orangutan come barreling at you with his "oh he short, so he can't lower his head, he's got a low center of gravity" 25 mph with a helmet over his large inflated neptune size noggin and crack you in your mug?
yeah right. fxxkin bitches. or better yet take a punch/elbow in the face from mike tyson back in his prime?
yeah. what now faggots?
now we got the saints fairy aligning himself with the steeler queers. i guess the mayans were right. they're all butt munchers.
now we got the saints fairy aligning himself with the steeler queers. i guess the mayans were right. they're all butt munchers.[/b]
FYI I'm the biggest steelers fan this week because I need the 49ers to lose for the saints to get a bye
Having said that I was only agreeing that the NFL is turning into soccer. You can't hit anybody anywhere except their belly buttons and even then you have to wait for them to be lookin at you to do it
The rule changes are going to kill the NFL and everything that helped make it popular
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Funny how every person on this thread who isn't losing interest and supports the stricter rules accompany their post with a bunch of crap/ whining about the Steelers. Most of the people who are losing interest and don't support how strict the league is becoming are speaking about the NFL as a whole and not just a specific team. It's very obvious that the people who can't resist talking about the Steelers in their posts have opinions that are largely shaped by the fact that the Steelers are being punished under the new rules. I hope all you people continue to carry on as you do and make it more obvious that you want NFL rules based on how it will affect the Steelers, and not how it will change football as we know it.
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I was just reading a post from another Steelers fan on a different board and he asked if it is just Steelers fans that are losing interest in the new NFL or if any other teams fans feel the same? This is all stemming from the wuss league being formed by Roger Goodell. Yes, Steelers fans have bit of a bad taste in their mouth from the Harrison suspension, but the way James plays is the way we're used to seeing the Steelers play.
If the new rules Goodell is putting into place were for everyone, then we could buy into the safety aspect of it, but it only covers QB's and on a limited basis, WR's. A running back can still have his brains bashed in legally, according to NFL rule. If McCoy were a RB and not a QB James Harrison would not have been flagged and suspended . How is that fair to RB's?
The Hines Ward rule? Come on! Can't block a guy if he cant see you? This league is trying to go pansy on us and it is losing fans. At least Steelers fans. Do you guys really enjoy the games just as much as you did 10 years ago? Do you like the direction the NFL is going? I know I'm going to get the smart-ass comments and I really wouldn't want it any other way, but I would like some insightful feed back as well.
I was just reading a post from another Steelers fan on a different board and he asked if it is just Steelers fans that are losing interest in the new NFL or if any other teams fans feel the same? This is all stemming from the wuss league being formed by Roger Goodell. Yes, Steelers fans have bit of a bad taste in their mouth from the Harrison suspension, but the way James plays is the way we're used to seeing the Steelers play.
If the new rules Goodell is putting into place were for everyone, then we could buy into the safety aspect of it, but it only covers QB's and on a limited basis, WR's. A running back can still have his brains bashed in legally, according to NFL rule. If McCoy were a RB and not a QB James Harrison would not have been flagged and suspended . How is that fair to RB's?
The Hines Ward rule? Come on! Can't block a guy if he cant see you? This league is trying to go pansy on us and it is losing fans. At least Steelers fans. Do you guys really enjoy the games just as much as you did 10 years ago? Do you like the direction the NFL is going? I know I'm going to get the smart-ass comments and I really wouldn't want it any other way, but I would like some insightful feed back as well.
You gor it bro and the league is figuring how to put skirts on certain players while allowing them to wear jock straps, the NFL has become a money and refs and screw the real players fug em, and we go round and round, and the league more and more becomes a trasvesty saluted by brain dead fans saluting what happened again to a PLAYER harrison
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Well, I got what I expected, a few fans of football see what this league is really coming to, a T.V. drama. Most though like the idea of the new NFL and I guess, in part, that is why they can change the game to suit their needs. It will not be too long before a DB has to wait until a receiver catches the ball and makes a "football move" before they can attempt a tackle and QB's aren't allowed to be hit at all. Let's just go ahead and change it to 7 on 7, like in practice, so the scores can reach into the 100's! How fun and exciting will that be?
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Funny how every person on this thread who isn't losing interest and supports the stricter rules accompany their post with a bunch of crap/ whining about the Steelers. Most of the people who are losing interest and don't support how strict the league is becoming are speaking about the NFL as a whole and not just a specific team. It's very obvious that the people who can't resist talking about the Steelers in their posts have opinions that are largely shaped by the fact that the Steelers are being punished under the new rules. I hope all you people continue to carry on as you do and make it more obvious that you want NFL rules based on how it will affect the Steelers, and not how it will change football as we know it.
Funny how every person on this thread who isn't losing interest and supports the stricter rules accompany their post with a bunch of crap/ whining about the Steelers. Most of the people who are losing interest and don't support how strict the league is becoming are speaking about the NFL as a whole and not just a specific team. It's very obvious that the people who can't resist talking about the Steelers in their posts have opinions that are largely shaped by the fact that the Steelers are being punished under the new rules. I hope all you people continue to carry on as you do and make it more obvious that you want NFL rules based on how it will affect the Steelers, and not how it will change football as we know it.
Sorry, this isn't JUST about the Steelers. This is about guys coming to the realization every one of their FREAKING plays is available in slo-mo replay. Like Gipper pointed out, spearing's been illegal for years. Your own coach piously bleated "we've been working with James to change". Well, not working. The booger had a free shot at McCoy (and I don't give a rat if it had been any other qb in the NFL) and decided to take him out. So take a seat James, change your ways.
Turnaround is fair game- you want violence- may Ben take a similar shot along the way. Turkey Jones piledrive- right on!!! I LOVED the closeline Lynn Swann took on the sideline way back when that nearly decapitated him. I want to see more of the Haynesworth and Suh stomping on guys, it's all part of the culture of violence- let your emotions flow, Luke- come to the Dark Side. May Harrison's foot "accidentally" get stepped on by an offensive lineman, and some linebacker totally blow his knee out with a chop block. That the kind of rough and tumble football you want? Tell you what- if they went back to 60s rules with head slaps and all the other stuff that went along with it, they'd have to expand the roster to 75 players, because you'd have 30 guys on IR every year.
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Not buying the 'oh the humanity' arguement. People creamed their pants when Seymour punched Big Fag in the face. There's a little Harrison in all of us when it goes our way.
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Well, I got what I expected, a few fans of football see what this league is really coming to, a T.V. drama. Most though like the idea of the new NFL and I guess, in part, that is why they can change the game to suit their needs. It will not be too long before a DB has to wait until a receiver catches the ball and makes a "football move" before they can attempt a tackle and QB's aren't allowed to be hit at all. Let's just go ahead and change it to 7 on 7, like in practice, so the scores can reach into the 100's! How fun and exciting will that be?
Well, I got what I expected, a few fans of football see what this league is really coming to, a T.V. drama. Most though like the idea of the new NFL and I guess, in part, that is why they can change the game to suit their needs. It will not be too long before a DB has to wait until a receiver catches the ball and makes a "football move" before they can attempt a tackle and QB's aren't allowed to be hit at all. Let's just go ahead and change it to 7 on 7, like in practice, so the scores can reach into the 100's! How fun and exciting will that be?
Are they allowed to leave their feet to spear people?
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Funny how every person on this thread who isn't losing interest and supports the stricter rules accompany their post with a bunch of crap/ whining about the Steelers. Most of the people who are losing interest and don't support how strict the league is becoming are speaking about the NFL as a whole and not just a specific team. It's very obvious that the people who can't resist talking about the Steelers in their posts have opinions that are largely shaped by the fact that the Steelers are being punished under the new rules. I hope all you people continue to carry on as you do and make it more obvious that you want NFL rules based on how it will affect the Steelers, and not how it will change football as we know it.
Sorry, this isn't JUST about the Steelers. This is about guys coming to the realization every one of their FREAKING plays is available in slo-mo replay. Like Gipper pointed out, spearing's been illegal for years. Your own coach piously bleated "we've been working with James to change". Well, not working. The booger had a free shot at McCoy (and I don't give a rat if it had been any other qb in the NFL) and decided to take him out. So take a seat James, change your ways.
Turnaround is fair game- you want violence- may Ben take a similar shot along the way. Turkey Jones piledrive- right on!!! I LOVED the closeline Lynn Swann took on the sideline way back when that nearly decapitated him. I want to see more of the Haynesworth and Suh stomping on guys, it's all part of the culture of violence- let your emotions flow, Luke- come to the Dark Side. May Harrison's foot "accidentally" get stepped on by an offensive lineman, and some linebacker totally blow his knee out with a chop block. That the kind of rough and tumble football you want? Tell you what- if they went back to 60s rules with head slaps and all the other stuff that went along with it, they'd have to expand the roster to 75 players, because you'd have 30 guys on IR every year.
That's the whole problem, it's simply not right to judge full speed hits based on supler slo-mo replay. The game isn't played at that speed, why should it be judged at that speed?Sorry, this isn't JUST about the Steelers. This is about guys coming to the realization every one of their FREAKING plays is available in slo-mo replay. Like Gipper pointed out, spearing's been illegal for years. Your own coach piously bleated "we've been working with James to change". Well, not working. The booger had a free shot at McCoy (and I don't give a rat if it had been any other qb in the NFL) and decided to take him out. So take a seat James, change your ways.
Turnaround is fair game- you want violence- may Ben take a similar shot along the way. Turkey Jones piledrive- right on!!! I LOVED the closeline Lynn Swann took on the sideline way back when that nearly decapitated him. I want to see more of the Haynesworth and Suh stomping on guys, it's all part of the culture of violence- let your emotions flow, Luke- come to the Dark Side. May Harrison's foot "accidentally" get stepped on by an offensive lineman, and some linebacker totally blow his knee out with a chop block. That the kind of rough and tumble football you want? Tell you what- if they went back to 60s rules with head slaps and all the other stuff that went along with it, they'd have to expand the roster to 75 players, because you'd have 30 guys on IR every year.
This is not only the first time Harrison faced discpline from the NFL this year, but it was the first time Harrison was even flagged for a personal foul. McCoy did tuck the ball and fake the run until the last second. With that much gray area on the play it's a bit unfair to suspend Harrison. It seems obvious that Harrison change something to avoid getting in trouble like in previous years. And by just taking a quick look at his stats he doesn't seem to have much of a drop off in his play. This goes back to my point that the whole arguement about changing the rules is cenetered around hate for the Steelers for many on this board and not what is best for the league.
Ben has taken some nasty shots throughout his career and 3 years ago the hit Harrison put on McCoy wouldn't have drawn a flag. Now all the sudden the sky falls when a hit like that is made. And comparing a full speed hit to deliberately picking somebody up, intentionally putting forearms on helmets and stomping after the play doesn't really make any sense. The league has successfully balanced between keeping football physical and eliminating dangerous, cheap plays for the past 30 years. Now all the sudden Goodell is cutting into physical football and declaring it illegal. That's what I disagree with.
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That's the whole problem, it's simply not right to judge full speed hits based on supler slo-mo replay. The game isn't played at that speed, why should it be judged at that speed?Sorry, this isn't JUST about the Steelers. This is about guys coming to the realization every one of their FREAKING plays is available in slo-mo replay. Like Gipper pointed out, spearing's been illegal for years. Your own coach piously bleated "we've been working with James to change". Well, not working. The booger had a free shot at McCoy (and I don't give a rat if it had been any other qb in the NFL) and decided to take him out. So take a seat James, change your ways.
Turnaround is fair game- you want violence- may Ben take a similar shot along the way. Turkey Jones piledrive- right on!!! I LOVED the closeline Lynn Swann took on the sideline way back when that nearly decapitated him. I want to see more of the Haynesworth and Suh stomping on guys, it's all part of the culture of violence- let your emotions flow, Luke- come to the Dark Side. May Harrison's foot "accidentally" get stepped on by an offensive lineman, and some linebacker totally blow his knee out with a chop block. That the kind of rough and tumble football you want? Tell you what- if they went back to 60s rules with head slaps and all the other stuff that went along with it, they'd have to expand the roster to 75 players, because you'd have 30 guys on IR every year.
This is not only the first time Harrison faced discpline from the NFL this year, but it was the first time Harrison was even flagged for a personal foul. McCoy did tuck the ball and fake the run until the last second. With that much gray area on the play it's a bit unfair to suspend Harrison. It seems obvious that Harrison change something to avoid getting in trouble like in previous years. And by just taking a quick look at his stats he doesn't seem to have much of a drop off in his play. This goes back to my point that the whole arguement about changing the rules is cenetered around hate for the Steelers for many on this board and not what is best for the league.
Ben has taken some nasty shots throughout his career and 3 years ago the hit Harrison put on McCoy wouldn't have drawn a flag. Now all the sudden the sky falls when a hit like that is made. And comparing a full speed hit to deliberately picking somebody up, intentionally putting forearms on helmets and stomping after the play doesn't really make any sense. The league has successfully balanced between keeping football physical and eliminating dangerous, cheap plays for the past 30 years. Now all the sudden Goodell is cutting into physical football and declaring it illegal. That's what I disagree with.
That's the whole problem, it's simply not right to judge full speed hits based on supler slo-mo replay. The game isn't played at that speed, why should it be judged at that speed?
This is not only the first time Harrison faced discpline from the NFL this year, but it was the first time Harrison was even flagged for a personal foul. McCoy did tuck the ball and fake the run until the last second. With that much gray area on the play it's a bit unfair to suspend Harrison. It seems obvious that Harrison change something to avoid getting in trouble like in previous years. And by just taking a quick look at his stats he doesn't seem to have much of a drop off in his play. This goes back to my point that the whole argument about changing the rules is centered around hate for the Steelers for many on this board and not what is best for the league.
My point was- I wasn't using slo-mo replay. Real time, Harrison most definitely had time to change his trajectory- (Homer? I've had about 6 Bengals fans back me up on this) & if the booger had hit McCoy full bore in the chest with his shoulder pads, there'd be no complaining.
+ Harrison wouldn't have been suspended if this was a first offense. Too bad it wasn't, unless you want to call those shots on Massaquoi and Cribbs last year "accidents" too.
Finally, B##l s##t on Steeler hate, I'd go off on a goon like Harrison if he played for Kansas City, and laid a hit like that on a Miami quarterback.
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That's the whole problem, it's simply not right to judge full speed hits based on supler slo-mo replay. The game isn't played at that speed, why should it be judged at that speed?
This is not only the first time Harrison faced discpline from the NFL this year, but it was the first time Harrison was even flagged for a personal foul. McCoy did tuck the ball and fake the run until the last second. With that much gray area on the play it's a bit unfair to suspend Harrison. It seems obvious that Harrison change something to avoid getting in trouble like in previous years. And by just taking a quick look at his stats he doesn't seem to have much of a drop off in his play. This goes back to my point that the whole argument about changing the rules is centered around hate for the Steelers for many on this board and not what is best for the league.
My point was- I wasn't using slo-mo replay. Real time, Harrison most definitely had time to change his trajectory- (Homer? I've had about 6 Bengals fans back me up on this) & if the booger had hit McCoy full bore in the chest with his shoulder pads, there'd be no complaining.
+ Harrison wouldn't have been suspended if this was a first offense. Too bad it wasn't, unless you want to call those shots on Massaquoi and Cribbs last year "accidents" too.
Finally, B##l s##t on Steeler hate, I'd go off on a goon like Harrison if he played for Kansas City, and laid a hit like that on a Miami quarterback.
My point was- I wasn't using slo-mo replay. Real time, Harrison most definitely had time to change his trajectory- (Homer? I've had about 6 Bengals fans back me up on this) & if the booger had hit McCoy full bore in the chest with his shoulder pads, there'd be no complaining.
+ Harrison wouldn't have been suspended if this was a first offense. Too bad it wasn't, unless you want to call those shots on Massaquoi and Cribbs last year "accidents" too.
Finally, B##l s##t on Steeler hate, I'd go off on a goon like Harrison if he played for Kansas City, and laid a hit like that on a Miami quarterback.
Harrison could have tried to slow up more than he did, but so did McCoy. I know the league wants to make it entirely the responsibilty of the defender to avoid a certian hit, but the offensive player has to bare some type of respoinsibilty in defending themselves.
I understand Harrison has been fined before, but remember there was nothing illegal about his hit on Cribbs. Cribbs even came out after the game and said he would play the way Harrison doesw if he was a defender.
Maybe you don't base all youir opinions on like others. It seems like you are being a fair minded person about this and even though I disagree I can respect that fact that it's your honest opinion.
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@riffer-x said:
Roid Monk has always been a head hunter, what is the big deal? That ape came in his pants seeing that little white boy QB's head exposed to him, the drool was everywhere.
Poor little Roid Monk gotta sit a game and have his fines paid for him by the fans and team.
Taking one look at that dumb monkey's huge head explains why his momma be getting in fist fights, she is still pissed about that big ass head coming out of that thing she calls a coochie.
thats about as racist as it gets
you give fans around the league a reason to laugh at the browns and their fans for saying ignorant stuff like that
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