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  • @clevelandmilidh said:

    Tell that to the Colts

    QB's are like starting pitchers in baseball, an ace wins games for you single handily.

    ur dumb as shit if you think the colts are only losing because of peyton mannings injury

    their defense is one of the worst in the league. their team is decimated with injuries...they have absolutely no offensive line

    QBs are not like pitchers.....pitchers face individual batters one at a time. they are solely responsible for what happens against an opposing teams offense

    pitchers are far more relatable to goalies in soccer or hockey than they are QBs in football

    yes a good QB can win you a game....but they cant win games consistantly by themselves....football is a team game

    @cantonlegend said:

    ur dumb as shit if you think the colts are only losing because of peyton mannings injury

    their defense is one of the worst in the league. their team is decimated with injuries...they have absolutely no offensive line

    QBs are not like pitchers.....pitchers face individual batters one at a time. they are solely responsible for what happens against an opposing teams offense

    pitchers are far more relatable to goalies in soccer or hockey than they are QBs in football

    yes a good QB can win you a game....but they cant win games consistantly by themselves....football is a team game

    There defense is made to play from ahead, thats why there quick and undersized, they want to rush the passer. Without Manning they dont play with a lead, so they get run on. Your wrong, Peyton Manning is the reason they win. Like they didn't have injuries when Manning was playing? Brian Robiskie is a Pro-bowler with Manning throwing him the ball.

  • @htownbrown said:

    Yet everyone thinks they're gonna draft Luck when they have so many holes. Huh? Your just a fat kid in a puppy costume. Footballs not your thing.

    fwiw i think they will take matt khalil from usc

    having said that....people are saying they will take luck so he can sit and learn behind peyton manning. luck is supposedly the greatest thing since sliced bread and lots of people think it would be foolish to pass on a talent like him regardless of your needs. peyton manning is like 35 years old and just had a major surgery to repair his neck.....his playing days are numbered and drafting a QB to supplant him in a few seasons isnt a terrible decision

    @cantonlegend said:

    fwiw i think they will take matt khalil from usc

    having said that....people are saying they will take luck so he can sit and learn behind peyton manning. luck is supposedly the greatest thing since sliced bread and lots of people think it would be foolish to pass on a talent like him regardless of your needs. peyton manning is like 35 years old and just had a major surgery to repair his neck.....his playing days are numbered and drafting a QB to supplant him in a few seasons isnt a terrible decision

    But what about holes and immediate impact? Fwiw qb is a hole in Cleveland.

  • @cantonlegend said:

    ur dumb as shit if you think the colts are only losing because of peyton mannings injury

    their defense is one of the worst in the league. their team is decimated with injuries...they have absolutely no offensive line

    QBs are not like pitchers.....pitchers face individual batters one at a time. they are solely responsible for what happens against an opposing teams offense

    pitchers are far more relatable to goalies in soccer or hockey than they are QBs in football

    yes a good QB can win you a game....but they cant win games consistantly by themselves....football is a team game

    There defense is made to play from ahead, thats why there quick and undersized, they want to rush the passer. Without Manning they dont play with a lead, so they get run on. Your wrong, Peyton Manning is the reason they win. Like they didn't have injuries when Manning was playing? Brian Robiskie is a Pro-bowler with Manning throwing him the ball.

    @clevelandmilidh said:

    There defense is made to play from ahead, thats why there quick and undersized, they want to rush the passer. Without Manning they dont play with a lead, so they get run on. Your wrong, Peyton Manning is the reason they win. Like they didn't have injuries when Manning was playing? Brian Robiskie is a Pro-bowler with Manning throwing him the ball.

    you are a tard. the colts defense is last in points allowed. 28th in yards given up. 23rd in passing yards given up. and 30th in rush yards per game

    id ask if you have watched the colts play this year but i know you havent

    their running game is also ranked 28th in the league......and thats not mentioning their 27th in passing

    the colts are a terrible terrible team all around

    the only 2 players worth mentioning on the defense are freeney and mathis....the only player on offense worth mentioning is reggie wayne and hes the only colts WR thats been to the pro bowl

    if you think peyton manning makes guys look better you're right....if you think he makes them pro bowlers....YOURE WRONG AGAIN...nothing new there

  • @cantonlegend said:

    fwiw i think they will take matt khalil from usc

    having said that....people are saying they will take luck so he can sit and learn behind peyton manning. luck is supposedly the greatest thing since sliced bread and lots of people think it would be foolish to pass on a talent like him regardless of your needs. peyton manning is like 35 years old and just had a major surgery to repair his neck.....his playing days are numbered and drafting a QB to supplant him in a few seasons isnt a terrible decision

    But what about holes and immediate impact? Fwiw qb is a hole in Cleveland.

    @htownbrown said:

    But what about holes and immediate impact? Fwiw qb is a hole in Cleveland.

    fwiw colt mccoy is better than 16 other starting QBs in the league according to http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    no colt isnt a hall of famer in his first full season as a starter....but thats just it....this is his first full season. give him some fuggn time you dumbass

  • @clevelandmilidh said:

    There defense is made to play from ahead, thats why there quick and undersized, they want to rush the passer. Without Manning they dont play with a lead, so they get run on. Your wrong, Peyton Manning is the reason they win. Like they didn't have injuries when Manning was playing? Brian Robiskie is a Pro-bowler with Manning throwing him the ball.

    you are a tard. the colts defense is last in points allowed. 28th in yards given up. 23rd in passing yards given up. and 30th in rush yards per game

    id ask if you have watched the colts play this year but i know you havent

    their running game is also ranked 28th in the league......and thats not mentioning their 27th in passing

    the colts are a terrible terrible team all around

    the only 2 players worth mentioning on the defense are freeney and mathis....the only player on offense worth mentioning is reggie wayne and hes the only colts WR thats been to the pro bowl

    if you think peyton manning makes guys look better you're right....if you think he makes them pro bowlers....YOURE WRONG AGAIN...nothing new there

    @cantonlegend said:

    you are a tard. the colts defense is last in points allowed. 28th in yards given up. 23rd in passing yards given up. and 30th in rush yards per game

    id ask if you have watched the colts play this year but i know you havent

    their running game is also ranked 28th in the league......and thats not mentioning their 27th in passing

    the colts are a terrible terrible team all around

    the only 2 players worth mentioning on the defense are freeney and mathis....the only player on offense worth mentioning is reggie wayne and hes the only colts WR thats been to the pro bowl

    if you think peyton manning makes guys look better you're right....if you think he makes them pro bowlers....YOURE WRONG AGAIN...nothing new there

    That's the dumbest reply I've seen in awhile, but I'll be nice since your only 12. All of them stats you want to throw around are a direct reflection of Peyton Manning not playing. A few more years around the game of football and you'll understand that.

  • @cantonlegend said:

    you are a tard. the colts defense is last in points allowed. 28th in yards given up. 23rd in passing yards given up. and 30th in rush yards per game

    id ask if you have watched the colts play this year but i know you havent

    their running game is also ranked 28th in the league......and thats not mentioning their 27th in passing

    the colts are a terrible terrible team all around

    the only 2 players worth mentioning on the defense are freeney and mathis....the only player on offense worth mentioning is reggie wayne and hes the only colts WR thats been to the pro bowl

    if you think peyton manning makes guys look better you're right....if you think he makes them pro bowlers....YOURE WRONG AGAIN...nothing new there

    That's the dumbest reply I've seen in awhile, but I'll be nice since your only 12. All of them stats you want to throw around are a direct reflection of Peyton Manning not playing. A few more years around the game of football and you'll understand that.

    @clevelandmilidh said:

    That's the dumbest reply I've seen in awhile, but I'll be nice since your only 12. All of them stats you want to throw around are a direct reflection of Peyton Manning not playing. A few more years around the game of football and you'll understand that.

    really? peyton manning plays defense? peyton manning is the running game? peyton manning blocks for himself?

    does peyton manning also catch his own passes?

    god i didnt realize he was THAT good

  • @htownbrown said:

    But what about holes and immediate impact? Fwiw qb is a hole in Cleveland.

    fwiw colt mccoy is better than 16 other starting QBs in the league according to http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    no colt isnt a hall of famer in his first full season as a starter....but thats just it....this is his first full season. give him some fuggn time you dumbass

    @cantonlegend said:

    fwiw colt mccoy is better than 16 other starting QBs in the league according to http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    no colt isnt a hall of famer in his first full season as a starter....but thats just it....this is his first full season. give him some fuggn time you dumbass

    This is passing yard stats. Most of guys on that list 'worse' then McCoy have been injured for a good chunk of the season. You really think McCoy is better than Vick? Stupid.

  • @clevelandmilidh said:

    That's the dumbest reply I've seen in awhile, but I'll be nice since your only 12. All of them stats you want to throw around are a direct reflection of Peyton Manning not playing. A few more years around the game of football and you'll understand that.

    really? peyton manning plays defense? peyton manning is the running game? peyton manning blocks for himself?

    does peyton manning also catch his own passes?

    god i didnt realize he was THAT good

    @cantonlegend said:

    really? peyton manning plays defense? peyton manning is the running game? peyton manning blocks for himself?

    does peyton manning also catch his own passes?

    god i didnt realize he was THAT good

    Peyton keeps the defense off the field. Peyton puts points on the board alloying the defense to play to there strength. Which is pass rush and pass defense. Peyton spreads the defense out opening up the run game. Peyton Manning is the Indianapolis Colts

    Don't worry kid, it's common knowledge that comes from experience. Your bright, you'll catch on.

  • @cantonlegend said:

    fwiw colt mccoy is better than 16 other starting QBs in the league according to http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    no colt isnt a hall of famer in his first full season as a starter....but thats just it....this is his first full season. give him some fuggn time you dumbass

    This is passing yard stats. Most of guys on that list 'worse' then McCoy have been injured for a good chunk of the season. You really think McCoy is better than Vick? Stupid.

    @htownbrown said:

    This is passing yard stats. Most of guys on that list 'worse' then McCoy have been injured for a good chunk of the season. You really think McCoy is better than Vick? Stupid.

    according to touchdown passes, yards and INTs.....colts better

    you think vick could take the browns to the playoffs?

  • @cantonlegend said:

    really? peyton manning plays defense? peyton manning is the running game? peyton manning blocks for himself?

    does peyton manning also catch his own passes?

    god i didnt realize he was THAT good

    Peyton keeps the defense off the field. Peyton puts points on the board alloying the defense to play to there strength. Which is pass rush and pass defense. Peyton spreads the defense out opening up the run game. Peyton Manning is the Indianapolis Colts

    Don't worry kid, it's common knowledge that comes from experience. Your bright, you'll catch on.

    @clevelandmilidh said:

    Peyton keeps the defense off the field. Peyton puts points on the board alloying the defense to play to there strength. Which is pass rush and pass defense. Peyton spreads the defense out opening up the run game. Peyton Manning is the Indianapolis Colts

    Don't worry kid, it's common knowledge that comes from experience. Your bright, you'll catch on.

    peyton manning was so good last year when he played defense that they were able to rank 20th in yards given up and 22nd in points given up.....

  • Total yards is a terrible way to measure QB's in comparison to each other. Yeah, Colt's high up on that list, but how many of those yards came when the other team is playing prevent D in garbage time?

    For a better comparison, sort it by completion percentage.

  • @clevelandmilidh said:

    Peyton keeps the defense off the field. Peyton puts points on the board alloying the defense to play to there strength. Which is pass rush and pass defense. Peyton spreads the defense out opening up the run game. Peyton Manning is the Indianapolis Colts

    Don't worry kid, it's common knowledge that comes from experience. Your bright, you'll catch on.

    peyton manning was so good last year when he played defense that they were able to rank 20th in yards given up and 22nd in points given up.....

    @cantonlegend said:

    peyton manning was so good last year when he played defense that they were able to rank 20th in yards given up and 22nd in points given up.....

    Your right, what is that 10 spots ahead of where they are now just bye him playing offense? Pretty spectacular aye

  • @htownbrown said:

    This is passing yard stats. Most of guys on that list 'worse' then McCoy have been injured for a good chunk of the season. You really think McCoy is better than Vick? Stupid.

    according to touchdown passes, yards and INTs.....colts better

    you think vick could take the browns to the playoffs?

    @cantonlegend said:

    according to touchdown passes, yards and INTs.....colts better

    you think vick could take the browns to the playoffs?

    If you factored games played into your logic, Colt would be near the bottom of your list.

    Your question has been answered in several posts.

  • Total yards is a terrible way to measure QB's in comparison to each other. Yeah, Colt's high up on that list, but how many of those yards came when the other team is playing prevent D in garbage time?

    For a better comparison, sort it by completion percentage.

    @vaportrail said:

    Total yards is a terrible way to measure QB's in comparison to each other. Yeah, Colt's high up on that list, but how many of those yards came when the other team is playing prevent D in garbage time?

    For a better comparison, sort it by completion percentage.

    higher than former pro bowler carson palmer.....former rookie of the year sam bradford....AFC North leading joe flacco and mark sanchez

    and thats without even mentioning the browns lead the league in dropped passes

  • @cantonlegend said:

    peyton manning was so good last year when he played defense that they were able to rank 20th in yards given up and 22nd in points given up.....

    Your right, what is that 10 spots ahead of where they are now just bye him playing offense? Pretty spectacular aye

    @clevelandmilidh said:

    Your right, what is that 10 spots ahead of where they are now just bye him playing offense? Pretty spectacular aye

    the defense has been getting progressively worse....losing their hall of fame QB hurts but he doesnt play defense

    ur right....they are better with peyton manning.....the go from a crappy defense to a god awful defense when he doesnt play

    funny thing is that you guys are expecting colt mccoy to be peyton manning.....that alone tells me how little you know about the topic

    peyton manning is a hall of famer....there are maybe 3 hall of fame QBs in the league right now out of 32 teams......does that tell you anything

  • @clevelandmilidh said:

    Your right, what is that 10 spots ahead of where they are now just bye him playing offense? Pretty spectacular aye

    the defense has been getting progressively worse....losing their hall of fame QB hurts but he doesnt play defense

    ur right....they are better with peyton manning.....the go from a crappy defense to a god awful defense when he doesnt play

    funny thing is that you guys are expecting colt mccoy to be peyton manning.....that alone tells me how little you know about the topic

    peyton manning is a hall of famer....there are maybe 3 hall of fame QBs in the league right now out of 32 teams......does that tell you anything

    @cantonlegend said:

    the defense has been getting progressively worse....losing their hall of fame QB hurts but he doesnt play defense

    ur right....they are better with peyton manning.....the go from a crappy defense to a god awful defense when he doesnt play

    funny thing is that you guys are expecting colt mccoy to be peyton manning.....that alone tells me how little you know about the topic

    peyton manning is a hall of famer....there are maybe 3 hall of fame QBs in the league right now out of 32 teams......does that tell you anything

    I never said I expected Colt to be Manning. You said a QB can't carry a team to victory, I disagreed. Manning, Rogers, Brady all can. Houston and Chicago ain't looking to good without there QB's either.

    4 QB's are gonna be a lock for the HOF, I'm sure some other guys will make a case with more time.

  • @vaportrail said:

    Total yards is a terrible way to measure QB's in comparison to each other. Yeah, Colt's high up on that list, but how many of those yards came when the other team is playing prevent D in garbage time?

    For a better comparison, sort it by completion percentage.

    higher than former pro bowler carson palmer.....former rookie of the year sam bradford....AFC North leading joe flacco and mark sanchez

    and thats without even mentioning the browns lead the league in dropped passes

    @cantonlegend said:

    higher than former pro bowler carson palmer.....former rookie of the year sam bradford....AFC North leading joe flacco and mark sanchez

    and thats without even mentioning the browns lead the league in dropped passes

    Palmer got slammed into a starting spot on a new team midway through a season no one thought he would even play in. He is a shell of what he used to be anyway.

    Bradford has been injured almost the entire season.

    Sanchez and Flaccid are the biggest reasons there super talented teams won't go far in the playoffs. They have always been questioned.

    Your logic continues to get worse.