Interesting Qb Discussion
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I've seen enough that if we don't get a QB and stick with Colt I won't care, but if we do I also won't care. I think RGIII will be way better than Colt and I think we won't be picking this low for a long while so we might as well pick QB now instead of going another season and picking at 10 or something next year. Could McCoy be like Bree's, ya but he also is never going to be playing in a dome like Bree's which is one of the reasons he does so well. Still there is very little chance that McCoy will ever be as good as Bree's and at best will develop into an average QB.
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Colt looks like a long term project to me, he is definitely not a bust as a 3rd rounder and will at minimal serve as an excellent backup..
With that said he lacks leadership ability and appears to lack confidence and other intangibles ..
I certainly am not a colt hater but i wish the kid would stop constantly hanging his head down he just does not look like a leader he looks unsure of himself and out of character..
He has no quality targets but that is part of being the QB, being able to adjust, adapt and overcome and work with what he has..
While i doubt this bumbling slow regime will get rid of colt i suspect there will be a heated QB competition next year..
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I think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of colt for r2d2
Let me tell you drew brees first 2 years in the nfl was so bad the chargers drafted philip rivers..
I'm not sure but someone tell me how brees stats compared to colts?
I think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of colt for r2d2
Let me tell you drew brees first 2 years in the nfl was so bad the chargers drafted philip rivers..
I'm not sure but someone tell me how brees stats compared to colts?
Brees and McCoy had nearly identical numbers through their first 2 seasons I believe.
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I think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of colt for r2d2
Let me tell you drew brees first 2 years in the nfl was so bad the chargers drafted philip rivers..
I'm not sure but someone tell me how brees stats compared to colts?
Brees and McCoy had nearly identical numbers through their first 2 seasons I believe.
Brees and McCoy had nearly identical numbers through their first 2 seasons I believe.
Your right their stats were pretty comparable, and don't think anyone is suggesting that Colt will turn into Brees, but the Browns will look idiots if they don't give him one year to play with some proper weapons to make sure.
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People forget how important a running game and RG are.
WSS
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Brees and McCoy had nearly identical numbers through their first 2 seasons I believe.
Your right their stats were pretty comparable, and don't think anyone is suggesting that Colt will turn into Brees, but the Browns will look idiots if they don't give him one year to play with some proper weapons to make sure.
Your right their stats were pretty comparable, and don't think anyone is suggesting that Colt will turn into Brees, but the Browns will look idiots if they don't give him one year to play with some proper weapons to make sure.
And by "weapons" I hope you mean a real coach who has some idea of what a NFL offense really looks like
The real question is what would Brees look like trying to operate under this horse shit offense with these horse shit weapons? MVP? .... Not
The NFL is full of stories like Gannons, QBs that combined with the right system and turned their career around...Gannon/Gruden...Warner/Martz/Whisenhutt...Brees/Payton
If the Browns really think Colt is the future,they'll look for an OC that can work to his strengths...One thing that is painfully clear after watching Wallace the last two weeks ....Shurmur=shit
Holmgren has a tough decision to make..."Did I choose the wrong QB...Or the wrong coach? I think we all know Holmgrens answer...Neither
"And don't come look'n for tickets from me when we make the playoffs!"
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Agree 100% we need to keep him at least one more year...A boat load of QBs that had great careers and started out like this...i remember my father bashing Elway his first few seasons...he was terrible. I like colt, he is a great kid, hard worker...we need to embrace him a bit more. I still watch the highlights of the patriots game last year...he was really good for a rookie. Keep the kid, save a bundle and bring in some O-line help, a good WR and some D...our D is terrible it is pure trash!!! pick up our QB if we need to in 2013 or 14 and we will have not wasted it on another mediocre QB.
I really hope Colt plays next Sunday. He has been wobble with that leg for a bit and hopefully he will be 100% for the first time in about a month.
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Your right their stats were pretty comparable, and don't think anyone is suggesting that Colt will turn into Brees, but the Browns will look idiots if they don't give him one year to play with some proper weapons to make sure.
And by "weapons" I hope you mean a real coach who has some idea of what a NFL offense really looks like
The real question is what would Brees look like trying to operate under this horse shit offense with these horse shit weapons? MVP? .... Not
The NFL is full of stories like Gannons, QBs that combined with the right system and turned their career around...Gannon/Gruden...Warner/Martz/Whisenhutt...Brees/Payton
If the Browns really think Colt is the future,they'll look for an OC that can work to his strengths...One thing that is painfully clear after watching Wallace the last two weeks ....Shurmur=shit
Holmgren has a tough decision to make..."Did I choose the wrong QB...Or the wrong coach? I think we all know Holmgrens answer...Neither
"And don't come look'n for tickets from me when we make the playoffs!"
And by "weapons" I hope you mean a real coach who has some idea of what a NFL offense really looks like
The real question is what would Brees look like trying to operate under this horse shit offense with these horse shit weapons? MVP? .... Not
The NFL is full of stories like Gannons, QBs that combined with the right system and turned their career around...Gannon/Gruden...Warner/Martz/Whisenhutt...Brees/Payton
If the Browns really think Colt is the future,they'll look for an OC that can work to his strengths...One thing that is painfully clear after watching Wallace the last two weeks ....Shurmur=shit
Holmgren has a tough decision to make..."Did I choose the wrong QB...Or the wrong coach? I think we all know Holmgrens answer...Neither
"And to come look'n for tickets from me when we make the playoffs!"
No your totally right there, and same as others have said that McCoy might just be in the wrong system(Shit Coaching/Play calling)That is what am worried about fact that we will keep Shurmur, when should really be him getting the boot and trying McCoy out with weapons and a System that suits him better, or at least is more suited to more QB's so it is easier to integrate a new one into it if Colt doesnt make the giant steps he needs to next year.I honestly think McCoy would have managed that game against the Ravens better than Wallace. but RG III wont fit into Shurmurs crap system that much better if they went and got him in the Draft.
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McCoy is a 3rd round pick. Explain why he should get more time than FRye??
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McCoy is a 3rd round pick. Explain why he should get more time than FRye??
McCoy is a 3rd round pick. Explain why he should get more time than FRye??
part of the problem is that frye didnt get enough time either....none of clevelands QBs do
when was the last QB that was given the go ahead for a full season worth of starts? when was the last QB that started for the browns that went down with an injury and wasnt in a competition for the starting spot as soon as he got back
no QB will ever succeed in cleveland if they arent given enough time and some talent around them
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McCoy has a tendency to stare down at receivers and miss out on the open ones.
McCoy seems not be slow when it comes to making decisions.
McCoy's long throw are not accurate enough.
McCoy tends to hang on to the ball longer than he should.
While he can do all these things in the college and get away with it, The NFL will not be that forgiving - ESPCIALLY this division. The league has become more QB driven nowadays, so taking a QB with a strong arm and a smart mind is not a bad thing. And it is not like everyone wants to get rid of Colt from the NFL. He has skills that rings 'Excellent Backup' and that is not a bad thing.
I do agree that we need more weapons, We need more skill players on Offense and Defense. And that Colt is not the root cause of our suckiness. But if wehave an opportunity to improve on a position then why not do it ?
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_browns_colt_mccoy_ha_1.html
What does everyone think of this? Ive been arguing these exact same points with all my typical, unrealistic browns buddies but they are all for getting rid of colt and drafting RG3 and its makes me sick to my stomach how dumb people are. Getting rid of people every year and starting fresh hasnt worked for how long now?
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_browns_colt_mccoy_ha_1.html
What does everyone think of this? Ive been arguing these exact same points with all my typical, unrealistic browns buddies but they are all for getting rid of colt and drafting RG3 and its makes me sick to my stomach how dumb people are. Getting rid of people every year and starting fresh hasnt worked for how long now?
Mccoy has shown more potential than you get with Wallace. These fans who consuder Wallace to be the better qb have no idea what they are watching. However, I'm not sold on Mccoy being the guy who can take this team to the playoffs. Of course, if everyone around him were upgraded to Probowl type playes, he would be adequate. I would prefer to draft a qb with a stronger arm, and more size, but not in the first round. We can fill the need for a #1 receiver with our fiest pick and go from there. Let Colt compete for the job next season, and see how he does. In my opinion, it's impossible to tell how good your qb really is with the present circumstances.....moron HC. A few good players aren't going to change the end result. Next season will be very much like this one, if there is no coaching change.......it really doesn't matter who the qb is.
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McCoy has a tendency to stare down at receivers and miss out on the open ones.
McCoy seems not be slow when it comes to making decisions.
McCoy's long throw are not accurate enough.
McCoy tends to hang on to the ball longer than he should.
While he can do all these things in the college and get away with it, The NFL will not be that forgiving - ESPCIALLY this division. The league has become more QB driven nowadays, so taking a QB with a strong arm and a smart mind is not a bad thing. And it is not like everyone wants to get rid of Colt from the NFL. He has skills that rings 'Excellent Backup' and that is not a bad thing.
I do agree that we need more weapons, We need more skill players on Offense and Defense. And that Colt is not the root cause of our suckiness. But if wehave an opportunity to improve on a position then why not do it ?
McCoy has a tendency to stare down at receivers and miss out on the open ones.
McCoy seems not be slow when it comes to making decisions.
McCoy's long throw are not accurate enough.
McCoy tends to hang on to the ball longer than he should.
While he can do all these things in the college and get away with it, The NFL will not be that forgiving - ESPCIALLY this division. The league has become more QB driven nowadays, so taking a QB with a strong arm and a smart mind is not a bad thing. And it is not like everyone wants to get rid of Colt from the NFL. He has skills that rings 'Excellent Backup' and that is not a bad thing.
I do agree that we need more weapons, We need more skill players on Offense and Defense. And that Colt is not the root cause of our suckiness. But if wehave an opportunity to improve on a position then why not do it ?
Seems like we have this discussion each week, and I believe the post above really sums up where we are with McCoy. Wallace has played better or just as well IMO. Can we all agree that Wallace is not a starting QB in this league? If so, by that logic McCoy is not a starting QB either!!!
The Browns will pick between 3 and 8 this year! There is a perfect opportunity to make the move. Three solid Qb's at least that will go in the first round. A sleeper in Kellen Moore possible hanging out there too. There is a possibility the Rams get the first pick and take Luck. If so does Shurmer reach out to get Bradford from St. Loius? Is Kyle Orten a FA optionif we want to challenge Colt in camp and use our top picks on WR, RB or other playmakers for this team?
IMO the sooner we move McCoy to the bench the sooner we improve! Well, that is if Shurmer learns how to coach!
βThe Wait Is Over, The Browns Will Be In The Playoffs This Year!" -
McCoy has a tendency to stare down at receivers and miss out on the open ones.
McCoy seems not be slow when it comes to making decisions.
McCoy's long throw are not accurate enough.
McCoy tends to hang on to the ball longer than he should.
While he can do all these things in the college and get away with it, The NFL will not be that forgiving - ESPCIALLY this division. The league has become more QB driven nowadays, so taking a QB with a strong arm and a smart mind is not a bad thing. And it is not like everyone wants to get rid of Colt from the NFL. He has skills that rings 'Excellent Backup' and that is not a bad thing.
I do agree that we need more weapons, We need more skill players on Offense and Defense. And that Colt is not the root cause of our suckiness. But if wehave an opportunity to improve on a position then why not do it ?
Seems like we have this discussion each week, and I believe the post above really sums up where we are with McCoy. Wallace has played better or just as well IMO. Can we all agree that Wallace is not a starting QB in this league? If so, by that logic McCoy is not a starting QB either!!!
The Browns will pick between 3 and 8 this year! There is a perfect opportunity to make the move. Three solid Qb's at least that will go in the first round. A sleeper in Kellen Moore possible hanging out there too. There is a possibility the Rams get the first pick and take Luck. If so does Shurmer reach out to get Bradford from St. Loius? Is Kyle Orten a FA optionif we want to challenge Colt in camp and use our top picks on WR, RB or other playmakers for this team?
IMO the sooner we move McCoy to the bench the sooner we improve! Well, that is if Shurmer learns how to coach!
Seems like we have this discussion each week, and I believe the post above really sums up where we are with McCoy. Wallace has played better or just as well IMO. Can we all agree that Wallace is not a starting QB in this league? If so, by that logic McCoy is not a starting QB either!!!
The Browns will pick between 3 and 8 this year! There is a perfect opportunity to make the move. Three solid Qb's at least that will go in the first round. A sleeper in Kellen Moore possible hanging out there too. There is a possibility the Rams get the first pick and take Luck. If so does Shurmer reach out to get Bradford from St. Loius? Is Kyle Orten a FA optionif we want to challenge Colt in camp and use our top picks on WR, RB or other playmakers for this team?
IMO the sooner we move McCoy to the bench the sooner we improve! Well, that is if Shurmer learns how to coach!
You are comparing a 9 year veteran QB to another QB with 1.5 years experience. Which has the potential to improve? It's simple - the younger one. Young QBs aren't perfect. Colt hasn't been perfect but neither was Drew Brees in his 2nd year as a starting QB (3rd season in the league). Brees had worse stats in his 2nd year than McCoy has this year. look it up if you don't believe me. Brees had 11 TDs and 15 picks with a QB rating in the high 60s. Colt has thrown for 15 TDs and 11 picks with a 74 rating.
I'm not saying McCoy is for sure the long term answer at QB, but we need to get some WRs, RB depth, and fix the right side of our offensive line before we throw another QB under center. It's been hard enough to judge McCoy with the players he has to work. Why give some other QB the same inept offense to deal with?
I believe H and H will let McCoy start another year (which is the right choice imo) while fixing the rest of the offense (as well as the defense). We will most likely draft a QB in the later rounds (maybe one of our 4th rounders) and see what McCoy can do with an improved offense. Then in 2013, we will know for sure if QB is a priority. We still have so many holes on both sides of the ball to waste a pick on a QB real high in the draft.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_browns_colt_mccoy_ha_1.html
What does everyone think of this? Ive been arguing these exact same points with all my typical, unrealistic browns buddies but they are all for getting rid of colt and drafting RG3 and its makes me sick to my stomach how dumb people are. Getting rid of people every year and starting fresh hasnt worked for how long now?
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_browns_colt_mccoy_ha_1.html
What does everyone think of this? Ive been arguing these exact same points with all my typical, unrealistic browns buddies but they are all for getting rid of colt and drafting RG3 and its makes me sick to my stomach how dumb people are. Getting rid of people every year and starting fresh hasnt worked for how long now?
I happen to pretty much agree with this.
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And by "weapons" I hope you mean a real coach who has some idea of what a NFL offense really looks like
The real question is what would Brees look like trying to operate under this horse shit offense with these horse shit weapons? MVP? .... Not
The NFL is full of stories like Gannons, QBs that combined with the right system and turned their career around...Gannon/Gruden...Warner/Martz/Whisenhutt...Brees/Payton
If the Browns really think Colt is the future,they'll look for an OC that can work to his strengths...One thing that is painfully clear after watching Wallace the last two weeks ....Shurmur=shit
Holmgren has a tough decision to make..."Did I choose the wrong QB...Or the wrong coach? I think we all know Holmgrens answer...Neither
"And to come look'n for tickets from me when we make the playoffs!"
No your totally right there, and same as others have said that McCoy might just be in the wrong system(Shit Coaching/Play calling)That is what am worried about fact that we will keep Shurmur, when should really be him getting the boot and trying McCoy out with weapons and a System that suits him better, or at least is more suited to more QB's so it is easier to integrate a new one into it if Colt doesnt make the giant steps he needs to next year.I honestly think McCoy would have managed that game against the Ravens better than Wallace. but RG III wont fit into Shurmurs crap system that much better if they went and got him in the Draft.
No your totally right there, and same as others have said that McCoy might just be in the wrong system(Shit Coaching/Play calling)That is what am worried about fact that we will keep Shurmur, when should really be him getting the boot and trying McCoy out with weapons and a System that suits him better, or at least is more suited to more QB's so it is easier to integrate a new one into it if Colt doesnt make the giant steps he needs to next year.I honestly think McCoy would have managed that game against the Ravens better than Wallace. but RG III wont fit into Shurmurs crap system that much better if they went and got him in the Draft.
I actually think McCoy would probably suit Shurmur's system better than RGIII might. The thing we may need is Shurmur's system....or should I say Holmgren's system, Bill Walsh's system, Paul Brown's system, without Shurmur running it.
I still think it is highly possible that they bring in the unemployed Mike Sherman to the the OC next year.
A Holmgren/WCO guy with a winning track record as both an OC and HC. And he is only like 53 years old.
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McCoy has a tendency to stare down at receivers and miss out on the open ones.
McCoy seems not be slow when it comes to making decisions.
McCoy's long throw are not accurate enough.
McCoy tends to hang on to the ball longer than he should.
While he can do all these things in the college and get away with it, The NFL will not be that forgiving - ESPCIALLY this division. The league has become more QB driven nowadays, so taking a QB with a strong arm and a smart mind is not a bad thing. And it is not like everyone wants to get rid of Colt from the NFL. He has skills that rings 'Excellent Backup' and that is not a bad thing.
I do agree that we need more weapons, We need more skill players on Offense and Defense. And that Colt is not the root cause of our suckiness. But if wehave an opportunity to improve on a position then why not do it ?
Seems like we have this discussion each week, and I believe the post above really sums up where we are with McCoy. Wallace has played better or just as well IMO. Can we all agree that Wallace is not a starting QB in this league? If so, by that logic McCoy is not a starting QB either!!!
The Browns will pick between 3 and 8 this year! There is a perfect opportunity to make the move. Three solid Qb's at least that will go in the first round. A sleeper in Kellen Moore possible hanging out there too. There is a possibility the Rams get the first pick and take Luck. If so does Shurmer reach out to get Bradford from St. Loius? Is Kyle Orten a FA optionif we want to challenge Colt in camp and use our top picks on WR, RB or other playmakers for this team?
IMO the sooner we move McCoy to the bench the sooner we improve! Well, that is if Shurmer learns how to coach!
Seems like we have this discussion each week, and I believe the post above really sums up where we are with McCoy. Wallace has played better or just as well IMO. Can we all agree that Wallace is not a starting QB in this league? If so, by that logic McCoy is not a starting QB either!!!
What I would not agree with is that Wallace has played better, or even equal to MCoy.
The Browns will pick between 3 and 8 this year! There is a perfect opportunity to make the move. Three solid Qb's at least that will go in the first round. A sleeper in Kellen Moore possible hanging out there too.
Kellen Moore is 5'11". And most people are saying that McCoy at 6'2" is too short.
There is a possibility the Rams get the first pick and take Luck. If so does Shurmer reach out to get Bradford from St. Loius? Is Kyle Orten a FA optionif we want to challenge Colt in camp and use our top picks on WR, RB or other playmakers for this team?
I do NOT see either Bradford or Orton as an upgrade over McCoy. An RGIII might be. I would far prefer to go in that direction than in the Bradfor/Orton direction.
IMO the sooner we move McCoy to the bench the sooner we improve! Well, that is if Shurmer learns how to coach!
The problem may be that we could bring in Andrew Luck/Brett Favre/Dan Marino/John Elway/Tom Brady/Joe Montana/Otto Graham/Sammy Baugh/Johnny Unitas and it wouldn't matter if Shurmur is in control
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