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  • L lemosley01

    Good read and sheds some light on what was happening.

    I still believe at least 50% of this mess is on the coaches. Not playing rucker and bell because they dind't think they could play, when the guys you have out there obviously can't play? You have to play those guys to make sure anyway. You don't have say over the roster, so you don't have anyone else to try.

    Tucker being hired by Savage is interesting, but the defense never really changed - it was still the same, soft defense we've seen for the last 4 years - that's Romeo.

    I'm not sure a lack of a second receiver hurt Edwards. Edwards hurt Edwards.

    Seems like Savage was definitely trying to put his stamp all over this team - he certainly accomplished that, just not in the way expected.

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    DestinFunkD DestinFunk wrote on last edited by
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    @lemosley01 said:

    Good read and sheds some light on what was happening.

    I still believe at least 50% of this mess is on the coaches. Not playing rucker and bell because they dind't think they could play, when the guys you have out there obviously can't play? You have to play those guys to make sure anyway. You don't have say over the roster, so you don't have anyone else to try.

    Tucker being hired by Savage is interesting, but the defense never really changed - it was still the same, soft defense we've seen for the last 4 years - that's Romeo.

    I'm not sure a lack of a second receiver hurt Edwards. Edwards hurt Edwards.

    Seems like Savage was definitely trying to put his stamp all over this team - he certainly accomplished that, just not in the way expected.

    I think this is more proof that Savage was a bit crazy and power trippin'

    Romeo while not cut out for HC from what little we could tell...got a raw deal...he kept his mouth shut and tried his best with the crap hand Savage kept dealing him...everyone has much respect for him..and they should they all knew how messed up savage had things going..and call him a whiner..but the SOLDJA may be the one who brought this all to light...and could be the catalyst for turning this all around with a REAL front office....

    It is so obvious now , though in my brain i was in denial of what i was seeing,that the sheit rolled all the way down hill and into every aspect of the team...the more i think about it the more i am leaning Mckay...he has done it..with 2 teams!...Won a superbowl with tampa with many all pros that he pciked (Barber,Alstott) and then went to ATL and they went to the NFC championship his first year...maybe luck on that but he did NOT draft VICK...but he had to deal with DOg gate....I dont care how great of a leader you are...who is prepared to handle a situation like doggate?...and how could one not be ready for anything after dealing with VICK and his drama...and the guy was still retained by Blank (one of the best owners) ...and one last Mckay bit is he was up for the main NFL gig and at the last minute lost out to Godell...

    anyways...there are both of my pennies.

    lets fix this bitch.

    ~Silence is boring!
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      PlaygroundLegendP PlaygroundLegend wrote on last edited by
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      As I said...

      KELLEN WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

      And so many of you were calling him a whiney bitch...

      our staff was f'ed up!

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        F Fooleeze wrote on last edited by
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        I'm not sure how much of this is true, but assuming it is, then I fault Lerner. Why in the world would he set up a situation where his GM chose assistant coaches? Why would he allow Savage to get that much power? Seems to me Lerner should have recognized this, and made a change earlier. But some of the statements seem a little hard to believe. Perhaps Savage had to step in on coaches because Crennel was loyal to a fault to his coaches that were clearly struggling. And saying that Edwards and Anderson were struggling without a 2nd receiver? What the heck are Winslow and Stallworth? The Coaching staff didn't use Stallworth effectively, Savage didn't draw up those plays. Savage brought in the 2nd receiver that they wanted, only to see them not use him effectively (after the injury, of course).

        And yes, Anderson and Edwards can't be excused for, they both struggled mightily.

        Hopefully this whole experience has taught Lerner a thing or two about how to structure his organization. I'd be pretty bitter if my boss gave me a list of responsibilities and then fired me when he felt I had too many responsibilities. I think Savage and Crennel were both put into a bad position here.

        And the stuff about Harrison is just absurd. Nothing was preventing them from giving him 8-10 carries a game. That's certainly not a full workload, but the way he was playing could have made a large impact on the game.

        Oh well, here's hoping he makes it better going forward.

        2009 prediction: 8-8, with a much more respectible looking team, and hopefully 3-3 in the division with at least 1 win over each team.
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        • PlaygroundLegendP PlaygroundLegend

          As I said...

          KELLEN WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

          And so many of you were calling him a whiney bitch...

          our staff was f'ed up!

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          GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by Gips
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          @playgroundlegend said:

          As I said...

          KELLEN WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

          And so many of you were calling him a whiney bitch...

          our staff was f'ed up!

          Indeed kellen was right and perhaps now we can look at the teams overall lack of motivation and effort minus a few remarkable players as what it really maybe was...a silent descent and disapproval of what was going on the team didnt like playing for savages puppets while romeo took the rap ive said before edwards and other players didnt like the routes chud was making them run it was easy to see in their expressions..now we most likely know why and it makes me feel a little more hopeful for next year...😉

          We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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            F Fooleeze wrote on last edited by
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            Nail on the head, danamal. We saw too many lapses in concentration, discipline issues, bad fundamentals, bad clock management, poor playcalling, lack of aggressiveness, and unwillingness to be creative with playcalling and personnel. . . none of this can be pointed back to Savage or Lerner, this is all Crennel. Nice guy, just bad head coach.

            2009 prediction: 8-8, with a much more respectible looking team, and hopefully 3-3 in the division with at least 1 win over each team.
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            • DestinFunkD DestinFunk

              @lemosley01 said:

              Good read and sheds some light on what was happening.

              I still believe at least 50% of this mess is on the coaches. Not playing rucker and bell because they dind't think they could play, when the guys you have out there obviously can't play? You have to play those guys to make sure anyway. You don't have say over the roster, so you don't have anyone else to try.

              Tucker being hired by Savage is interesting, but the defense never really changed - it was still the same, soft defense we've seen for the last 4 years - that's Romeo.

              I'm not sure a lack of a second receiver hurt Edwards. Edwards hurt Edwards.

              Seems like Savage was definitely trying to put his stamp all over this team - he certainly accomplished that, just not in the way expected.

              I think this is more proof that Savage was a bit crazy and power trippin'

              Romeo while not cut out for HC from what little we could tell...got a raw deal...he kept his mouth shut and tried his best with the crap hand Savage kept dealing him...everyone has much respect for him..and they should they all knew how messed up savage had things going..and call him a whiner..but the SOLDJA may be the one who brought this all to light...and could be the catalyst for turning this all around with a REAL front office....

              It is so obvious now , though in my brain i was in denial of what i was seeing,that the sheit rolled all the way down hill and into every aspect of the team...the more i think about it the more i am leaning Mckay...he has done it..with 2 teams!...Won a superbowl with tampa with many all pros that he pciked (Barber,Alstott) and then went to ATL and they went to the NFC championship his first year...maybe luck on that but he did NOT draft VICK...but he had to deal with DOg gate....I dont care how great of a leader you are...who is prepared to handle a situation like doggate?...and how could one not be ready for anything after dealing with VICK and his drama...and the guy was still retained by Blank (one of the best owners) ...and one last Mckay bit is he was up for the main NFL gig and at the last minute lost out to Godell...

              anyways...there are both of my pennies.

              lets fix this bitch.

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              @destinfunk said:

              the more i think about it the more i am leaning Mckay...he has done it..with 2 teams!...Won a superbowl with tampa with many all pros that he pciked (Barber,Alstott) and then went to ATL and they went to the NFC championship his first year...maybe luck on that but he did NOT draft VICK...but he had to deal with DOg gate....I dont care how great of a leader you are...who is prepared to handle a situation like doggate?...and how could one not be ready for anything after dealing with VICK and his drama...and the guy was still retained by Blank (one of the best owners) ...and one last Mckay bit is he was up for the main NFL gig and at the last minute lost out to Godell...

              My impression is that Tim Ruskell was a huge (perhaps essential) part of Tampa's draft success. If you check out McKay's two drafts in Atlanta in which Ruskell didn't set his board ('06, '07), you'll notice that they're not very impressive...

              You're right that McKay didn't draft Vick, but he did give him a 10 year, $130M contract extension.

              And you're also correct in saying that McKay can't be blamed for doggate. However, he was responsible for the second big embarrassment of Atlanta's '07 season, Bobby Petrino. That may have been the true reason why McKay lost his job.

              To me, Blank's retaining McKay on his staff is more a reflection of the owner's class (in not wanting to embarrass McKay) than any statement about McKay's value. From what I gather, his FO position is supposed to be more of a placeholder position until he can find employment elsewhere.

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                D DawgTracker wrote on last edited by
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                It sounds to meet like both sides spent too much time pouting like little kids. Harrison couldn't handle a workload bigger than three carries a game? How stupid is that? They are mad that Rucker was drafted so they refuse to play him. And then Savage stuck with players that the coaches didn't respect because he drafted them?

                If you want to win you put the team first and put aside the p***ing contests. We need people who will work together.

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                • GipsG Gips

                  @lemosley01 said:

                  Good read and sheds some light on what was happening.

                  I still believe at least 50% of this mess is on the coaches. Not playing rucker and bell because they dind't think they could play, when the guys you have out there obviously can't play? You have to play those guys to make sure anyway. You don't have say over the roster, so you don't have anyone else to try.

                  Tucker being hired by Savage is interesting, but the defense never really changed - it was still the same, soft defense we've seen for the last 4 years - that's Romeo.

                  I'm not sure a lack of a second receiver hurt Edwards. Edwards hurt Edwards.

                  Seems like Savage was definitely trying to put his stamp all over this team - he certainly accomplished that, just not in the way expected.

                  It would be hard for any HC to effectively coach with coordinators and assistants that are not of your choice and they likely werent listening to romeo but to savage instead that explains why romeo looked so defeated all the time because he was nothing but the scapegoat luckily randy ended this joke of a regime he just did it way to late and still hasnt finished the job..

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                  L lemosley01 wrote on last edited by
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                  @gips said:

                  It would be hard for any HC to effectively coach with coordinators and assistants that are not of your choice and they likely werent listening to romeo but to savage instead that explains why romeo looked so defeated all the time because he was nothing but the scapegoat luckily randy ended this joke of a regime he just did it way to late and still hasnt finished the job..

                  I'm sure it wasn't easy, but there were obvious head coaching issues - gametime management, preparing the team, training camp - these are all things RAC had control over. Like I said, in Tucker's case, the defense didn't change - it was still the same soft defense we saw 4 years ago. The constant there is RAC.

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                    Riffer XR Riffer X wrote on last edited by
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                    Phillip came off to me as an arrogant christian, kind of like Mark Price but with the power tripping behind it.

                    He definitely should have been reined in by Lerner sooner.

                    In my opinion Phillip's legacy will be the DA fiasco and not trading him when he was a hot commodity ala Scott Mitchell. The email and Winslow stuff was bad PR, but his failures are numerous in other aspects.

                    1) Signing DA and forcing the franchise to live or die by him.

                    2) Oklahoma draft fetish.

                    3) Trading away picks for other picks (Paul "Glue Fingers" Hubbard)

                    4) Making too big of a splash in FA with Baxter/Stallworth types.

                    5) Bringing along all his Baltimore scout bitches.

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                      Oh, I think Phillip supplied RAC 'n ROLLS with enough talent to perform better than 4-11. RAC's whining about injuries after the season is bullshit too, that defense was healthy for the most part.

                      Rushing three in the B'more game with Flaxico on the ropes (3rd and 16) is the fat black man's legacy to me.

                      RAC was an atrocious head coach at game management and preparation.

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