Would You Trade Away The Load For?
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Thats way to steep of a Price, If the Bucs would take are Late First this year are 2nd and then are 4th this year we got from Atlanta as well as next years 3rd round pick thats as far as i would go and that still is way too much in my opinon...Just sit where we are and take Wright with RG3 and hope to god somehow Minnfeild falls to the 2nd or Vice Vericsa take Minnifeild First and hope Wright falls into the top 2nd...
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So knowing you could get a Vick/C.Johnson type duo you don't pull the trigger? ouch we gotta make moves to improve if anyone forgot we went 5-11 5-11 and 4-12 the last 3 years and the offensive roster hasn't flowed yet i think we need to cut the fat and start grabbing you can't tell me next year will be another 4-6 win team so we can rebuild for 2013 it just sickens me to a pulp we would accept it again.
Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
Good analysis.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Rep,
with all due respect, this trading the load concept to me would signal that the Browns FO STILL has no football culture in place or even in the planning, and is instead floundering.
If teh reason we made the Atlanta trade is because we believe in playing the draft probability game by taking as many chances as possible, then I am okay with it but let it play out.
Are our chances of finding a Tom Brady in round 6 just as solid or as risky as a QB at #1? Who knows? It is still a roll of the dice.
Personally, a lot of the top picks turn out to be shit, and it seems a lot of later round guys achive great things.
I am going to be PLEASANTLY happy to shut the fkuck up, relax and watch the Browns pick up a lot of new, young talent. The odds that so many picks will indeed increase our talent level are pretty good. I think BETTER than trading a shitload for Luck. Fkuck Luck.
I hope we get a new RT so Cal with stfu about it!
I will miss having Browns football to talk about for the coming months.
Honestly Luck is the only one I would be willing to trade up for and I would still be more than upset about having to give up our draft to get him. Honestly the more and more I think about it the more I don't even want RGIII this year. If he falls to us at 4 and take him then we are taking a spread QB and even though I do like what he did this year I just have a huge hate of spread QB's in the NFL cause they mostly never work out. If we had to take a spread QB might as well wait until round 4 and take Weedle, he has good production and even though he is 29-29 he could play till he's 40-42 since he has just as much wear and tear as the next guy, or just wait and take the project QB out of Chatt. We got 8 picks this year might as well use them our possibly trade back 2-3 spots and pick up 2-3 more.
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lol...and with these guys, what will your season record be then? 11-5? 13-3 with a divisional loss? 15-1 with a SB victory?
damn your threads are fucking stupid. epic fail is right...
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I'm laughing that most of you are saying trade it away for Andrew luck but not RG3 and Blackmon, to me your already hypocrites beyond all belief.
I live in Cleveland watch all our teams, trades, draft, and FA moves. The games we win and we lose and i'll go based on Cleveland History we can talk all we want about who we can take etc but i am starting to think the curse is here again and we won't take any of them.
Draft 2012
Colts Trade the 1 pick for an assload in return to a team with balls (Andrew Luck) Or they let go of Manning and Keep luck
Rams Select Justin Blackmon
Vikings Select RG3
Browns Select Morris Claiborne.
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
I'm laughing that most of you are saying trade it away for Andrew luck but not RG3 and Blackmon, to me your already hypocrites beyond all belief.
I live in Cleveland watch all our teams, trades, draft, and FA moves. The games we win and we lose and i'll go based on Cleveland History we can talk all we want about who we can take etc but i am starting to think the curse is here again and we won't take any of them.
Draft 2012
Colts Trade the 1 pick for an assload in return to a team with balls (Andrew Luck) Or they let go of Manning and Keep luck
Rams Select Justin Blackmon
Vikings Select RG3
Browns Select Morris Claiborne.
I'm laughing that most of you are saying trade it away for Andrew luck but not RG3 and Blackmon, to me your already hypocrites beyond all belief.
I live in Cleveland watch all our teams, trades, draft, and FA moves. The games we win and we lose and i'll go based on Cleveland History we can talk all we want about who we can take etc but i am starting to think the curse is here again and we won't take any of them.
Draft 2012
Colts Trade the 1 pick for an assload in return to a team with balls (Andrew Luck) Or they let go of Manning and Keep luck
Rams Select Justin Blackmon
Vikings Select RG3
Browns Select Morris Claiborne.
Thats basically the worst case scenario is if Blackmon,Luck and RG3 go 1,2 and 3...If that did happen i would consider the Browns trading down with a team that needs a LT in Kahil...Not far down and try to grab Richardson
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I'm laughing that most of you are saying trade it away for Andrew luck but not RG3 and Blackmon, to me your already hypocrites beyond all belief.
I live in Cleveland watch all our teams, trades, draft, and FA moves. The games we win and we lose and i'll go based on Cleveland History we can talk all we want about who we can take etc but i am starting to think the curse is here again and we won't take any of them.
Draft 2012
Colts Trade the 1 pick for an assload in return to a team with balls (Andrew Luck) Or they let go of Manning and Keep luck
Rams Select Justin Blackmon
Vikings Select RG3
Browns Select Morris Claiborne.
I'm laughing that most of you are saying trade it away for Andrew luck but not RG3 and Blackmon, to me your already hypocrites beyond all belief.
I live in Cleveland watch all our teams, trades, draft, and FA moves. The games we win and we lose and i'll go based on Cleveland History we can talk all we want about who we can take etc but i am starting to think the curse is here again and we won't take any of them.
Draft 2012
Colts Trade the 1 pick for an assload in return to a team with balls (Andrew Luck) Or they let go of Manning and Keep luck
Rams Select Justin Blackmon
Vikings Select RG3
Browns Select Morris Claiborne.
If that's the case, we trade down, grab another first and/or second rounder and take BPA.
Not a bad scenario at all.
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Thank god your not GM... LOL
You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
Edit this a little so you can understand the scope of this.
Browns Receiving touchdowns combined from WR TE RB in 2011 16 Touchdowns
Justin Blackmon 2010 had 1782 yards 20 Touchdowns 2011 1522 Yards 18 Touchdowns
Colt Mccoy had 2700 yards and 14 Touchdowns 11 Ints this season.
RG3 4293 Yards 37 Touchdowns 6 Ints and Runs like Micheal Vick.
Ya thank God i am not the GM for the browns my team would score points.
You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
Edit this a little so you can understand the scope of this.
Browns Receiving touchdowns combined from WR TE RB in 2011 16 Touchdowns
Justin Blackmon 2010 had 1782 yards 20 Touchdowns 2011 1522 Yards 18 Touchdowns
Colt Mccoy had 2700 yards and 14 Touchdowns 11 Ints this season.
RG3 4293 Yards 37 Touchdowns 6 Ints and Runs like Micheal Vick.
Ya thank God i am not the GM for the browns my team would score points.
You are comparing college numbers to NFL numbers.
I suspect that Colt McCoys senior year college numbers were probably equal to or greater han RGIIIs.
I mean, if you just want to go by college numbers, then look at Case Keesum....but remember, he comes from the same program that brought you David Klingler and Andre Ware etc.
My concern would be that RGIII could turn out to be a modern day Andre Ware.
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You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
Edit this a little so you can understand the scope of this.
Browns Receiving touchdowns combined from WR TE RB in 2011 16 Touchdowns
Justin Blackmon 2010 had 1782 yards 20 Touchdowns 2011 1522 Yards 18 Touchdowns
Colt Mccoy had 2700 yards and 14 Touchdowns 11 Ints this season.
RG3 4293 Yards 37 Touchdowns 6 Ints and Runs like Micheal Vick.
Ya thank God i am not the GM for the browns my team would score points.
You are comparing college numbers to NFL numbers.
I suspect that Colt McCoys senior year college numbers were probably equal to or greater han RGIIIs.
I mean, if you just want to go by college numbers, then look at Case Keesum....but remember, he comes from the same program that brought you David Klingler and Andre Ware etc.
My concern would be that RGIII could turn out to be a modern day Andre Ware.
You are comparing college numbers to NFL numbers.
which i find absolutely hilarious. these are the kind of arguments that we have to have....comparing apples to basketballs.
the probability is staggering!
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I hope everyone is aware that St. Louis knows we dearly want/need Blackmon and so even if they decide they want Kalil they are still going to tell the Browns they are taking Blackmon so that the Browns will give up some picks to move up and get him. He could only require our other first rounder to move up those 2 places but could be more as well. I still think they Browns have got to make a move to secure Blackmon because we need a #1 NOW! Heckert can't put it off any longer.
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I hope everyone is aware that St. Louis knows we dearly want/need Blackmon and so even if they decide they want Kalil they are still going to tell the Browns they are taking Blackmon so that the Browns will give up some picks to move up and get him. He could only require our other first rounder to move up those 2 places but could be more as well. I still think they Browns have got to make a move to secure Blackmon because we need a #1 NOW! Heckert can't put it off any longer.
I hope everyone is aware that St. Louis knows we dearly want/need Blackmon and so even if they decide they want Kalil they are still going to tell the Browns they are taking Blackmon so that the Browns will give up some picks to move up and get him. He could only require our other first rounder to move up those 2 places but could be more as well. I still think they Browns have got to make a move to secure Blackmon because we need a #1 NOW! Heckert can't put it off any longer.
Doubt it.
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I hope everyone is aware that St. Louis knows we dearly want/need Blackmon and so even if they decide they want Kalil they are still going to tell the Browns they are taking Blackmon so that the Browns will give up some picks to move up and get him. He could only require our other first rounder to move up those 2 places but could be more as well. I still think they Browns have got to make a move to secure Blackmon because we need a #1 NOW! Heckert can't put it off any longer.
Doubt it.
Doubt it.
the number of assumptions....ugh
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how stupid...next year is when we need first rounders to get a QB or in 2014. if we have everything set this year and next except for QB then we can trade 4 years of #1 picks and it wouldn't matter...we can't do that this year...it's not our time yet...2015 is the year...that is what we are building for...not one year earlier or we crack.
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how stupid...next year is when we need first rounders to get a QB or in 2014. if we have everything set this year and next except for QB then we can trade 4 years of #1 picks and it wouldn't matter...we can't do that this year...it's not our time yet...2015 is the year...that is what we are building for...not one year earlier or we crack.
how stupid...next year is when we need first rounders to get a QB or in 2014. if we have everything set this year and next except for QB then we can trade 4 years of #1 picks and it wouldn't matter...we can't do that this year...it's not our time yet...2015 is the year...that is what we are building for...not one year earlier or we crack.
Uh, 2015 isn't the year. If it is, Holmgren is finished in Cleveland. The Browns will get a QB alot. Like this year, we were as thin at QB as WR. Just doesn't mean it is high slots.
There is no such thing as the "year".
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