Peyton Manning!
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Peyton goes to Washington. We lose the option to trade back, which forces us to take RG3 at 4.
Shurmur falls asleep, misses rest of draft. Holmgren too busy carving Shurmur statue out of butter to realize the mistake. Heckert drafts golden talent without interference.
Heckert fired.
Heckert hired by Ravens when Ozzie Newsome gets rare form of West African butthole pneumonia which leads to his untimely death.
City mourns.
Heckert drafts four franchise QBs. Trades three of them to Pitt, Cincinnati, and expansion team Albuquerque Lionhawksnakes.
Mike Holmgren finds levitating bejeweled skull behind Krispy Kreme case in gas station. Replaces his skull with that one. Cleveland falls into Lake Erie.
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I am starting to think that the guys who wouldn't be happy with Manning here just will never be happy.
He is the one reason the Colts missed the playoffs this year. It is the only explanation. The only difference from the Colts run of dominance over the past 10-12 years to this season was Manning. It is pretty much that simple. If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
People would rather trade all of our picks this yr and next to draft Luck who best case scenario has the potential to be Manning and that is a long shot ... or we can use all our picks to plug holes and actually get Manning. Granted we would only have him for 2-3 years but I will jump at it 100 out of a 100 times.
And it is also 2-3 years Colt learn to be a pro behind the ultimate pro and a guy who unlike Favre will teach him the tricks of the trade. And Manning changes the culture of the team and will attract players that will want to play with him.
There is not a bad thing that could be said about bringing in a healthy PM unless you don't want to win.
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wow, i'm shocked.
you guys seem to be giving up hope for next season already?
i mean the difference between a playoff caliber team and an 2-14 team IS peyton........so what could he turn the 4-12 browns into?
wow, i'm shocked.
you guys seem to be giving up hope for next season already?
i mean the difference between a playoff caliber team and an 2-14 team IS peyton........so what could he turn the 4-12 browns into?
Manning could turn the Browns into a 10-6 team, just like he did the Colts in 2010 when he played all 16 games.
We're not giving up hope- just being realistic. Even with a healthy Manning, the Browns are not a legit SB contender in 2012. Even if 1) we could get him as a FA giving up nothing, and 2) He'd drop his salary demand down to the sane range of say $6 million or so- doesn't matter. By the time the Browns add enough firepower both on offense and defense to have a legit chance at the Super Bowl- say the 2013 season at the earliest Manning will be 37, and about done- he's not Ironman Farve by a long shot.
Honestly, if you want my opinion- if I had to choose between Manning and RG III, I'm going with RG III, he's no bigger a risk than Manning, and he's 14 years younger.
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I am starting to think that the guys who wouldn't be happy with Manning here just will never be happy.
He is the one reason the Colts missed the playoffs this year. It is the only explanation. The only difference from the Colts run of dominance over the past 10-12 years to this season was Manning. It is pretty much that simple. If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
People would rather trade all of our picks this yr and next to draft Luck who best case scenario has the potential to be Manning and that is a long shot ... or we can use all our picks to plug holes and actually get Manning. Granted we would only have him for 2-3 years but I will jump at it 100 out of a 100 times.
And it is also 2-3 years Colt learn to be a pro behind the ultimate pro and a guy who unlike Favre will teach him the tricks of the trade. And Manning changes the culture of the team and will attract players that will want to play with him.
There is not a bad thing that could be said about bringing in a healthy PM unless you don't want to win.
I am starting to think that the guys who wouldn't be happy with Manning here just will never be happy.
He is the one reason the Colts missed the playoffs this year. It is the only explanation. The only difference from the Colts run of dominance over the past 10-12 years to this season was Manning. It is pretty much that simple. If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
People would rather trade all of our picks this yr and next to draft Luck who best case scenario has the potential to be Manning and that is a long shot ... or we can use all our picks to plug holes and actually get Manning. Granted we would only have him for 2-3 years but I will jump at it 100 out of a 100 times.
And it is also 2-3 years Colt learn to be a pro behind the ultimate pro and a guy who unlike Favre will teach him the tricks of the trade. And Manning changes the culture of the team and will attract players that will want to play with him.
There is not a bad thing that could be said about bringing in a healthy PM unless you don't want to win.
I'd pick the young girl, in all honesty. I'm a coach at heart, I like my girls with as little experience as possible so I can teach them new tricks that the poor schlubs they had before never could have pulled off.
That's why I like dating your ex-girlfriends.
Kidding, but really though...younger. More flexible. Less wear and tear. Less hair, less plastic, more insecurities.
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The difference between a playoff caliber team and a 2-14 team is a HEALTHY Peyton Manning..
Nobody is that dumb to believe Peyton manning is the only thing keeping the colts out of the playoffs this year
Nobody is that dumb to believe Peyton manning is the only thing keeping the colts out of the playoffs this year
Some people sure are. My point is that I'm not sure Manning is healthy and am not convinced that he will play again. I hope I am wrong because he is fun to watch..
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well we wouldn't only get peyton manning we'd also get his meddling old bastard father archie.
that's enough for me to say no right there.
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I am starting to think that the guys who wouldn't be happy with Manning here just will never be happy.
He is the one reason the Colts missed the playoffs this year. It is the only explanation. The only difference from the Colts run of dominance over the past 10-12 years to this season was Manning. It is pretty much that simple. If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
People would rather trade all of our picks this yr and next to draft Luck who best case scenario has the potential to be Manning and that is a long shot ... or we can use all our picks to plug holes and actually get Manning. Granted we would only have him for 2-3 years but I will jump at it 100 out of a 100 times.
And it is also 2-3 years Colt learn to be a pro behind the ultimate pro and a guy who unlike Favre will teach him the tricks of the trade. And Manning changes the culture of the team and will attract players that will want to play with him.
There is not a bad thing that could be said about bringing in a healthy PM unless you don't want to win.
If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
lol...yeah great analogy.
its great for a short time until she gets old and wrinkly, hits menopause and loses interest in faking orgasms for you. then she dies and your too old to get a real wife.
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Agree... Funny stuff.
Could Peyton improve the Browns? Sure... Would he come to Cleveland? Don't see it... As another poster indicated, he would pick a team who is ONLY a QB shy of SB contention. Does that sound like the Browns? No... not yet.
Who does it sound like? One team that immediately comes to mind is Tennessee. If Peyton ends up pissed at Indy, it's a big plus that TN is an AFC South team as well.
Other teams QB-ish away...
AFCN: Baltimore?
AFCE: Miami? Jets? (Could live with Eli, but could he 'live' with Rexy?)
AFCS: TN. Houston? (Schaub's there, but they are really ready....)
AFCW: Denver?
NFCN: With GB and a developing Detroit in the way? None...
NFCE: Washington? Dallas? (Is Jones too stubborn to give up on his boy, Tony?)
NFCS: NO would have to be his dream job, but 'No Vacancy'.
NFCW: Arizona?
So which cast off do you want? Sanchez? Hasselbeck? Schaub? Romo? Kolb?
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Agree... Funny stuff.
Could Peyton improve the Browns? Sure... Would he come to Cleveland? Don't see it... As another poster indicated, he would pick a team who is ONLY a QB shy of SB contention. Does that sound like the Browns? No... not yet.
Who does it sound like? One team that immediately comes to mind is Tennessee. If Peyton ends up pissed at Indy, it's a big plus that TN is an AFC South team as well.
Other teams QB-ish away...
AFCN: Baltimore?
AFCE: Miami? Jets? (Could live with Eli, but could he 'live' with Rexy?)
AFCS: TN. Houston? (Schaub's there, but they are really ready....)
AFCW: Denver?
NFCN: With GB and a developing Detroit in the way? None...
NFCE: Washington? Dallas? (Is Jones too stubborn to give up on his boy, Tony?)
NFCS: NO would have to be his dream job, but 'No Vacancy'.
NFCW: Arizona?
So which cast off do you want? Sanchez? Hasselbeck? Schaub? Romo? Kolb?
Agree... Funny stuff.
Could Peyton improve the Browns? Sure... Would he come to Cleveland? Don't see it... As another poster indicated, he would pick a team who is ONLY a QB shy of SB contention. Does that sound like the Browns? No... not yet.
Who does it sound like? One team that immediately comes to mind is Tennessee. If Peyton ends up pissed at Indy, it's a big plus that TN is an AFC South team as well.
Other teams QB-ish away...
AFCN: Baltimore?
AFCE: Miami? Jets? (Could live with Eli, but could he 'live' with Rexy?)
AFCS: TN. Houston? (Schaub's there, but they are really ready....)
AFCW: Denver?
NFCN: With GB and a developing Detroit in the way? None...
NFCE: Washington? Dallas? (Is Jones too stubborn to give up on his boy, Tony?)
NFCS: NO would have to be his dream job, but 'No Vacancy'.
NFCW: Arizona?
So which cast off do you want? Sanchez? Hasselbeck? Schaub? Romo? Kolb?
+1, good stuff. Manning's not a FA though, and the Colts do have some say as to where he lands. I can't believe they'd just release him (he's got serious trade value to the right team), and I have no idea what the cap hit would be if they did. Looking at that list, the Titans are a natural- Manning played for the Vols in college, but the Colts sure as hell won't trade him to a division rival.
I'd say Miami and Washington would be the most likely places to land. With his history, I'm sure Snyder would gladly give up his high first rounder to take Manning, the Colts then take Luck #1 overall, and BPA with the 'Skins pick. Irsay has as much said they're in a rebuild mode.
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I could see Manning going to the Jets because they really are a good football team they just have a QB as dumb as Vinny T.
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I am starting to think that the guys who wouldn't be happy with Manning here just will never be happy.
He is the one reason the Colts missed the playoffs this year. It is the only explanation. The only difference from the Colts run of dominance over the past 10-12 years to this season was Manning. It is pretty much that simple. If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
People would rather trade all of our picks this yr and next to draft Luck who best case scenario has the potential to be Manning and that is a long shot ... or we can use all our picks to plug holes and actually get Manning. Granted we would only have him for 2-3 years but I will jump at it 100 out of a 100 times.
And it is also 2-3 years Colt learn to be a pro behind the ultimate pro and a guy who unlike Favre will teach him the tricks of the trade. And Manning changes the culture of the team and will attract players that will want to play with him.
There is not a bad thing that could be said about bringing in a healthy PM unless you don't want to win.
I'd pick the young girl, in all honesty. I'm a coach at heart, I like my girls with as little experience as possible so I can teach them new tricks that the poor schlubs they had before never could have pulled off.
That's why I like dating your ex-girlfriends.
Kidding, but really though...younger. More flexible. Less wear and tear. Less hair, less plastic, more insecurities.
I'd pick the young girl, in all honesty. I'm a coach at heart, I like my girls with as little experience as possible so I can teach them new tricks that the poor schlubs they had before never could have pulled off.
That's why I like dating your ex-girlfriends.
Kidding, but really though...younger. More flexible. Less wear and tear. Less hair, less plastic, more insecurities.
Nice anaology!
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If you guys open your eyes and admit you aren't as smart as you think you are maybe you would see that. It seems like some of you would rather have some dumb average looking college girl with no experiance in the bed room then the smoking hot older woman who would rock your world.
lol...yeah great analogy.
its great for a short time until she gets old and wrinkly, hits menopause and loses interest in faking orgasms for you. then she dies and your too old to get a real wife.
lol...yeah great analogy.
its great for a short time until she gets old and wrinkly, hits menopause and loses interest in faking orgasms for you. then she dies and your too old to get a real wife.
You are missing the point here ... Peyton is a GREAT short term fling. Not someone we are looking to marry and keep around forever.
I wouldn't take him if he wasn't cleared to play obviously and I wouldn't give up first rounders to get him. The scenario would have to be right, but to pass on him if he were healthy and we were able to just sign him we would be idiots.
I would jump at the chance at a legit quality QB over a crap shoot we draft. The Colts have had a great run ... let them suffer through Luck being a bust while Peyton helps us make the playoffs and teaches Colt how to be a QB.
I guess if you guys don't want a real QB you must really enjoy losing. Personally I am sick of it. Even if its a only a trip or 2 to the playoffs I would much rather that then the crap we get to watch on any given season.
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lol...yeah great analogy.
its great for a short time until she gets old and wrinkly, hits menopause and loses interest in faking orgasms for you. then she dies and your too old to get a real wife.
You are missing the point here ... Peyton is a GREAT short term fling. Not someone we are looking to marry and keep around forever.
I wouldn't take him if he wasn't cleared to play obviously and I wouldn't give up first rounders to get him. The scenario would have to be right, but to pass on him if he were healthy and we were able to just sign him we would be idiots.
I would jump at the chance at a legit quality QB over a crap shoot we draft. The Colts have had a great run ... let them suffer through Luck being a bust while Peyton helps us make the playoffs and teaches Colt how to be a QB.
I guess if you guys don't want a real QB you must really enjoy losing. Personally I am sick of it. Even if its a only a trip or 2 to the playoffs I would much rather that then the crap we get to watch on any given season.
You are missing the point here ... Peyton is a GREAT short term fling. Not someone we are looking to marry and keep around forever.
I wouldn't take him if he wasn't cleared to play obviously and I wouldn't give up first rounders to get him. The scenario would have to be right, but to pass on him if he were healthy and we were able to just sign him we would be idiots.
I would jump at the chance at a legit quality QB over a crap shoot we draft. The Colts have had a great run ... let them suffer through Luck being a bust while Peyton helps us make the playoffs and teaches Colt how to be a QB.
I guess if you guys don't want a real QB you must really enjoy losing. Personally I am sick of it. Even if its a only a trip or 2 to the playoffs I would much rather that then the crap we get to watch on any given season.
1) Guess what? It's going to take a first round pick to get Manning. The Chiefs had to do so to land Montana at a similar stage of his career.
2) Who wouldn't? Problem is teams don't let legit quality quartebacks go- unless they happen to have a spare in waiting.
3) So let's go short term again, one and done in the playoffs, and back to 3-12 when Manning retires in two years. No thanks.
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You are missing the point here ... Peyton is a GREAT short term fling. Not someone we are looking to marry and keep around forever.
I wouldn't take him if he wasn't cleared to play obviously and I wouldn't give up first rounders to get him. The scenario would have to be right, but to pass on him if he were healthy and we were able to just sign him we would be idiots.
I would jump at the chance at a legit quality QB over a crap shoot we draft. The Colts have had a great run ... let them suffer through Luck being a bust while Peyton helps us make the playoffs and teaches Colt how to be a QB.
I guess if you guys don't want a real QB you must really enjoy losing. Personally I am sick of it. Even if its a only a trip or 2 to the playoffs I would much rather that then the crap we get to watch on any given season.
1) Guess what? It's going to take a first round pick to get Manning. The Chiefs had to do so to land Montana at a similar stage of his career.
2) Who wouldn't? Problem is teams don't let legit quality quartebacks go- unless they happen to have a spare in waiting.
3) So let's go short term again, one and done in the playoffs, and back to 3-12 when Manning retires in two years. No thanks.
1) Guess what? It's going to take a first round pick to get Manning. The Chiefs had to do so to land Montana at a similar stage of his career.
2) Who wouldn't? Problem is teams don't let legit quality quartebacks go- unless they happen to have a spare in waiting.
3) So let's go short term again, one and done in the playoffs, and back to 3-12 when Manning retires in two years. No thanks.
Manning is due a large roster bonus I believe. If that is the case he might not go for a first rounder depending on what there new regime wants to do. If he is due sick money another team might not anti up much for him.
And ... Manning could help Colt become a good NFL QB if Colt can learn from him for 2 or 3 years. So the Browns post Manning could improve as well.
And most importantly we are going to prob go 4-12 without Manning and not make the playoffs anyway. We might as well enjoy a good season or 2. The browns have done nothing to make us think anything different other then lose. Why would that be any different now. Atleast Manning single handly gives us a legit shot to win any game.
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Peyton Manning would never come here, even if traded. He would likely retire before coming here. If he WERE to agree to come and play for us, it would help get the ball rolling for long term success, even though he may have only a couple years left in the tank. It would be like germinating a seed, but we would need to spend all our high draft picks getting weapons, which is going to be impossible because they are going to want our high picks in return for him.
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The ONLY way I would make a trade for Payton Manning is for "Conditional draft picks" along these lines:
Colts get Browns 2d round pick in 2013 draft IF PM starts over half the Browns games in 2012.
Colts get Browns 3rd round pick in 2014 draft IF PM starts over half the Browns games in 2013.
Colts get Browns 4th round pick in 2015 draft if PM strts in over half the Browns games in 2014.
If PM doesn't start over half the games in any of those year, the Colts get only a 7th round pick in each year.
And, sorry, that is as far as I would take it. The Browns have to protect against injury to PM, and they need to preserve their future.
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1) Guess what? It's going to take a first round pick to get Manning. The Chiefs had to do so to land Montana at a similar stage of his career.
2) Who wouldn't? Problem is teams don't let legit quality quartebacks go- unless they happen to have a spare in waiting.
3) So let's go short term again, one and done in the playoffs, and back to 3-12 when Manning retires in two years. No thanks.
Manning is due a large roster bonus I believe. If that is the case he might not go for a first rounder depending on what there new regime wants to do. If he is due sick money another team might not anti up much for him.
And ... Manning could help Colt become a good NFL QB if Colt can learn from him for 2 or 3 years. So the Browns post Manning could improve as well.
And most importantly we are going to prob go 4-12 without Manning and not make the playoffs anyway. We might as well enjoy a good season or 2. The browns have done nothing to make us think anything different other then lose. Why would that be any different now. Atleast Manning single handly gives us a legit shot to win any game.
We might as well enjoy a good season or 2.
short term success vs. long term success. so did DA's miracle of '07 really make you feel that much better about this terrible franchise? how'd you feel in '08?
its just not worth it....surrendering resources for a short term injury risk thatalso serves to hinder our search for our franchise guy. no thanks, i want a team not smoke and mirrors.
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We might as well enjoy a good season or 2.
short term success vs. long term success. so did DA's miracle of '07 really make you feel that much better about this terrible franchise? how'd you feel in '08?
its just not worth it....surrendering resources for a short term injury risk thatalso serves to hinder our search for our franchise guy. no thanks, i want a team not smoke and mirrors.
short term success vs. long term success. so did DA's miracle of '07 really make you feel that much better about this terrible franchise? how'd you feel in '08?
its just not worth it....surrendering resources for a short term injury risk thatalso serves to hinder our search for our franchise guy. no thanks, i want a team not smoke and mirrors.
Again ... If we had to give up first rounders I wouldn't do it. I agree with Neo though in the sense that Manning would breed success down the road. He isn't DA even at this stage in his career. He would help McCoy out tremedously (or whatever young QB we bring in) So it isn't just him play on the field I want it is the attitude he would bring.
I am looking at it more as if the Colts were to cut him we should go after him hard. It certainly couldn't hurt. Obviously given up multiple picks including first/second rounders would hurt us longterm. If for some reason we could talk him into coming here if the Colts cut him he would instantly upgrade our team.
And yes 2007 did make me feel better. I actually got to enjoy football for a year and I would love to enjoy it again.
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