98% Certain Of Our 1St Pick In The 2012 Draft
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The more I look at it I hate the 4th pick this year. I have a really bad feeling the RAMS will trade down to the dolphins or Redskins and still get Martin or Rieff with the 6 or 8th pick no brainier. So, that means someone traded up for Griffin or Blackmon. So, Luck is gone, RG3 is gone leaving Blackmon and Maybe Trent for a prize for another team. I don't think anyone is going to jump for Blackmon, maybe K.C. wants Trent but I think they can wait a bit longer (what is the possibility of us swapping Bowe for our 4th pick, K.C. will lose him anyway...yes we need to negotiate but since he is our player now we only have to give 10% more than the highest bidder) We, give K.C. our 4th We get their 11th plus Bowe??
Ok, so continuing Vikes have the pick now? They almost have to pick Blackmon because he is not THAT GREAT that a team is going to jump for him...and I don't see anyone at 10 or below that needs a WR THAT bad. So, they pick him up. Ok, so now it is our pick Luck, RG3, Blackmon gone... Do we take Kalil? We almost have to but I like J. Martin better. We may go for Trent, which is stupid since we can't open holes for them and he isn't Doug Martin who can make his own holes... or do we trade to someone that wants Trent? Again, I only see K.C. maybe wanting the pick...so, lets say they do trade up...we then get the 11th pick and maybe a 3rd this year and next (that's all it's really worth at that point) Ok, so the problem is now this... you still have Kalil, J. Martin and Reiff on the board and you still have the Rams, Miami and Buffalo that need OT help here...so, with the 11th pick we get nothing that we needed...so, that means we don't trade away the pick!
So, dollars to doughnut holes we are either picking J. Martin or Kalil with the 4th pick (we will see during the combines, who really is better)
Cleveland Browns pick Matt Kalil with the 4th pick of the 2012 draft
August 20th, 2015...Cleveland browns waive Matt Kalil their #4 pick of the 2012 draft
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It is an interesting theory. I can see our GM trading down for more picks than picking 4th which would really blow open who we might pick.
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Luck is gone to Indy, that is a no brainer. I don't see St Louis or Minnesota trading down, they both need either Blackmon or Kalil too much to risk losing them. I think RG3 will be there for us if we go after him.
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Richardson has SAID HE WILL STAY IN SCHOOL and hasn't let it be known that he changed his mind.
Dang. Give him up til he declares for the draft already.
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Richardson has SAID HE WILL STAY IN SCHOOL and hasn't let it be known that he changed his mind.
Dang. Give him up til he declares for the draft already.
Richardson has SAID HE WILL STAY IN SCHOOL and hasn't let it be known that he changed his mind.
Dang. Give him up til he declares for the draft already.
And the need for Richardson could depend on what happens with Hillis. The Browns do need a scatback. A Darren Sproles type.
There are 2 kids from Florida, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey. Both short, both light, both very speedy. Or there is LaMichael James of oragun.
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Richardson has SAID HE WILL STAY IN SCHOOL and hasn't let it be known that he changed his mind.
Dang. Give him up til he declares for the draft already.
And the need for Richardson could depend on what happens with Hillis. The Browns do need a scatback. A Darren Sproles type.
There are 2 kids from Florida, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey. Both short, both light, both very speedy. Or there is LaMichael James of oragun.
And the need for Richardson could depend on what happens with Hillis. The Browns do need a scatback. A Darren Sproles type.
There are 2 kids from Florida, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey. Both short, both light, both very speedy. Or there is LaMichael James of oragun.
Wouldnt you consider Armond Smith that type of speedy scat back, sure he showed a couple of fumbles in pre season games, but also burst a 80 yd touchdown run aslo. and he was signed back onto contract right after the season so Front office still must like what they have seen in him.
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don't forget Claiborne at #4.
We really can't go wrong in this draft.
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don't forget Claiborne at #4.
We really can't go wrong in this draft.
don't forget Claiborne at #4.
We really can't go wrong in this draft.
Yeah, that's the beauty of having so many needs
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don't forget Claiborne at #4.
We really can't go wrong in this draft.
don't forget Claiborne at #4.
We really can't go wrong in this draft.
I Would really like this pick. In a league that has gone pass happy, I would love for Joe Haden to be my number two corner with Ward over the top. Keep building that D. Three more starters on the defense and it will follow a trend only seen in the AFC North. Build the Defense young and you will always have a chance in the postseason with a so-so offense.
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Drafting a Right Tackle at 4 would not be smart. If we draft one with our 2nd 1st or our 2nd rounder then I would have no problem.
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The more I look at it I hate the 4th pick this year. I have a really bad feeling the RAMS will trade down to the dolphins or Redskins and still get Martin or Rieff with the 6 or 8th pick no brainier. So, that means someone traded up for Griffin or Blackmon. So, Luck is gone, RG3 is gone leaving Blackmon and Maybe Trent for a prize for another team. I don't think anyone is going to jump for Blackmon, maybe K.C. wants Trent but I think they can wait a bit longer (what is the possibility of us swapping Bowe for our 4th pick, K.C. will lose him anyway...yes we need to negotiate but since he is our player now we only have to give 10% more than the highest bidder) We, give K.C. our 4th We get their 11th plus Bowe??
Ok, so continuing Vikes have the pick now? They almost have to pick Blackmon because he is not THAT GREAT that a team is going to jump for him...and I don't see anyone at 10 or below that needs a WR THAT bad. So, they pick him up. Ok, so now it is our pick Luck, RG3, Blackmon gone... Do we take Kalil? We almost have to but I like J. Martin better. We may go for Trent, which is stupid since we can't open holes for them and he isn't Doug Martin who can make his own holes... or do we trade to someone that wants Trent? Again, I only see K.C. maybe wanting the pick...so, lets say they do trade up...we then get the 11th pick and maybe a 3rd this year and next (that's all it's really worth at that point) Ok, so the problem is now this... you still have Kalil, J. Martin and Reiff on the board and you still have the Rams, Miami and Buffalo that need OT help here...so, with the 11th pick we get nothing that we needed...so, that means we don't trade away the pick!
So, dollars to doughnut holes we are either picking J. Martin or Kalil with the 4th pick (we will see during the combines, who really is better)
Cleveland Browns pick Matt Kalil with the 4th pick of the 2012 draft
August 20th, 2015...Cleveland browns waive Matt Kalil their #4 pick of the 2012 draft
So, dollars to doughnut holes we are either picking J. Martin or Kalil with the 4th pick (we will see during the combines, who really is better)
Cleveland Browns pick Matt Kalil with the 4th pick of the 2012 draft
You do NOT take a RT with the 4th pick in the draft. It's never been done. 4th is too high to take Martin.
EDIT: I'll have to proclaim my ignorance about Martin. ANOTHER Left Tackle? Please, please, PLEASE learn some football before you start making propositions like that.
It's crazy talk to think you can draft a stud LT (we already have one in Joe Thomas) and switch the guy over to the other side to solidify the line. The demands of the position are different- and guys wind up playing RT because they're not GOOD enough to play LT, exhibit "A" would be Robert Gallery, who got drafted high as a LT, couldn't cut the mustard there, and got switched to the other side.
One RT made the All-Pro team, Vollmer from the Patriots. Where was he drafted? 58th, second round. I rest my case.
I can guarantee you if Blackmon and RG III are off the board, the Browns will either try and trade down (and don't forget to do that you need someone who wants to trade up) or take BPA on defense. Like a DE, or LB, which are far more valuable to a team than RT.
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So, dollars to doughnut holes we are either picking J. Martin or Kalil with the 4th pick (we will see during the combines, who really is better)
Cleveland Browns pick Matt Kalil with the 4th pick of the 2012 draft
You do NOT take a RT with the 4th pick in the draft. It's never been done. 4th is too high to take Martin.
EDIT: I'll have to proclaim my ignorance about Martin. ANOTHER Left Tackle? Please, please, PLEASE learn some football before you start making propositions like that.
It's crazy talk to think you can draft a stud LT (we already have one in Joe Thomas) and switch the guy over to the other side to solidify the line. The demands of the position are different- and guys wind up playing RT because they're not GOOD enough to play LT, exhibit "A" would be Robert Gallery, who got drafted high as a LT, couldn't cut the mustard there, and got switched to the other side.
One RT made the All-Pro team, Vollmer from the Patriots. Where was he drafted? 58th, second round. I rest my case.
I can guarantee you if Blackmon and RG III are off the board, the Browns will either try and trade down (and don't forget to do that you need someone who wants to trade up) or take BPA on defense. Like a DE, or LB, which are far more valuable to a team than RT.
You do NOT take a RT with the 4th pick in the draft. It's never been done. 4th is too high to take Martin.
Here are all the players taken with the 4th pick of the draft throughout history:
1 2011 1 4 A.J. Green WR CIN 2011 2011 0 0 0 16 5 53 0 65 1057 7 Georgia
2 2010 1 4 Trent Williams T WAS 2010 2011 0 0 1 5 24 Oklahoma
3 2009 1 4 Aaron Curry LB SEA 2009 2011 0 0 2 12 41 5.5 Wake Forest
4 2008 1 4 Darren McFadden RB OAK 2008 2011 0 0 1 20 45 0 1 0 0 0 553 2627 16 116 1191 4 Arkansas
5 2007 1 4 Gaines Adams DE TAM 2007 2009 0 0 1 20 47 2 13.5 Clemson
6 2006 1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T NYJ 2006 2011 0 2 5 38 96 Virginia
7 2005 1 4 Cedric Benson RB CHI 2005 2011 0 0 4 28 92 1529 5769 31 106 736 1 Texas
8 2004 1 4 Philip Rivers QB NYG 2004 2011 0 3 5 74 100 1930 3037 24285 163 78 194 298 3 North Carolina St.
9 2003 1 4 Dewayne Robertson DT NYJ 2003 2008 0 0 6 34 92 16.0 Kentucky
10 2002 1 4 Mike D. Williams T BUF 2002 2009 0 0 4 22 59 Texas
11 2001 1 4 Justin Smith DE CIN 2001 2011 0 2 10 66 175 3 72.5 Missouri
12 2000 1 4 Peter Warrick WR CIN 2000 2005 0 0 4 28 79 53 360 2 275 2991 18 Florida St.
13 1999 1 4 Edgerrin James RB IND 1999 2009 1 4 9 114 148 3028 12246 80 433 3364 11 Miami (FL)
14 1998 1 4 Charles Woodson DB OAK 1998 2011 2 7 12 94 199 2 27 0 54 15.5 Michigan
15 1997 1 4 Peter Boulware LB BAL 1997 2005 0 4 7 59 126 1 70.0 Florida St.
16 1996 1 4 Jonathan Ogden T BAL 1996 2007 4 11 12 89 177 2 2 2 UCLA
17 1995 1 4 Michael Westbrook WR WAS 1995 2002 0 0 6 38 89 22 160 1 285 4374 26 Colorado
18 1994 1 4 Willie McGinest DE NWE 1994 2008 0 2 13 78 212 5 86.0 USC
19 1993 1 4 Marvin Jones LB NYJ 1993 2003 0 0 9 52 142 5 9.0 Florida St.
20 1992 1 4 Desmond Howard WR WAS 1992 2002 0 1 1 18 156 12 68 0 123 1597 7 Michigan
21 1991 1 4 Mike Croel LB DEN 1991 1998 0 0 6 36 102 2 24.0 Nebraska
22 1990 1 4 Keith McCants DE TAM 1990 1995 0 0 2 25 88 1 13.5 Alabama
23 1989 1 4 Derrick Thomas HOF LB KAN 1989 1999 2 9 11 104 169 1 126.5 Alabama
24 1988 1 4 Paul Gruber T TAM 1988 1999 0 0 12 61 183 Wisconsin
25 1987 1 4 Brent Fullwood RB GNB 1987 1990 0 1 2 14 46 433 1702 18 44 370 1 Auburn
26 1986 1 4 Jon Hand DE IND 1986 1994 0 0 8 44 121 1 35.5 Alabama
27 1985 1 4 Chris Doleman DE MIN 1985 1999 2 8 13 114 232 8 150.5 Pittsburgh
28 1984 1 4 Kenny Jackson WR PHI 1984 1991 0 0 4 15 102 8 51 0 126 2170 11 Penn St.
29 1983 1 4 Chris Hinton T DEN 1983 1995 1 7 11 79 177 3 -9 0 Northwestern
30 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St.
Misc Passing Rushing Receiving
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
31 1981 1 4 Kenny Easley DB SEA 1981 1987 3 5 7 61 89 32 8.0 UCLA
32 1980 1 4 Bruce Clark DE GNB 1982 1989 0 1 6 46 113 1 39.5 Penn St.
33 1979 1 4 Dan Hampton HOF DE CHI 1979 1990 1 4 11 103 157 57.0 Arkansas
34 1978 1 4 Chris Ward T NYJ 1978 1984 0 0 6 45 100 Ohio St.
35 1977 1 4 Marvin Powell T NYJ 1977 1987 3 5 9 80 133 USC
36 1976 1 4 Joe Washington RB SDG 1977 1985 0 1 4 57 119 5 11 179 3 1 1195 4839 Oklahoma
37 1975 1 4 Walter Payton HOF RB CHI 1975 1987 5 9 13 128 190 11 34 331 8 6 3838 16726 110 492 4538 15 Jackson St.
38 1974 1 4 Waymond Bryant LB CHI 1974 1977 0 0 3 28 53 4 Tennessee St.
39 1973 1 4 John Hannah HOF G NWE 1973 1985 7 9 13 102 183 Alabama
40 1972 1 4 Ahmad Rashad WR STL 1972 1982 0 4 10 56 139 10 52 0 495 6831 44 Oregon
41 1971 1 4 J.D. Hill WR BUF 1971 1977 0 1 5 36 73 3 14 0 185 2880 21 Arizona St.
42 1970 1 4 Phil Olsen DT BOS 1971 1976 0 0 1 17 79 Utah St.
43 1969 1 4 Joe Greene HOF DT PIT 1969 1981 5 10 12 123 181 1 North Texas
44 1968 1 4 Russ Washington T SDG 1968 1982 0 5 14 99 200 Missouri
45 1967 1 4 Bob Griese HOF QB MIA 1967 1980 2 8 12 104 161 1926 3429 25092 192 172 261 994 7 Purdue
46 1966 1 4 Randy Beisler G PHI 1966 1975 0 0 4 31 118 1 Indiana
47 1966 1 4 Jerry Shay DT DEN 1966 1971 0 0 3 20 63 Purdue
48 1965 1 4 Tom Nowatzke FB NYJ 1965 1972 0 0 1 22 96 361 1249 13 100 605 4 1 Indiana
49 1965 1 4 Gale Sayers HOF RB CHI 1965 1971 5 4 5 63 68 4 18 111 1 2 991 4956 39 112 1307 9 Kansas
50 1964 1 4 Scott Appleton DT DAL 1964 1968 0 0 3 23 70 2 Texas
51 1964 1 4 Robert E. Brown DT DEN 1966 1976 0 1 7 54 146 Ark-Pine Bluff
52 1963 1 4 Dave Behrman C BUF 1963 1967 0 1 1 8 39 Michigan St.
53 1963 1 4 Ed Budde G PHI 1963 1976 2 7 11 81 177 Michigan St.
54 1962 1 4 Ernie Davis HB BUF 0 0 0 Syracuse
55 1962 1 4 Gary Collins FL CLE 1962 1971 0 2 14 61 127 4 60 0 331 5299 70 Maryland
56 1961 1 4 Marlin McKeever LB RAM 1961 1973 0 1 9 62 162 133 1737 6 9 USC
57 1961 1 4 Joe Rutgens DT OAK 1961 1969 0 2 8 48 110 Illinois
58 1960 1 4 Richie Lucas QB WAS 1960 1961 0 0 0 2 22 43 99 596 4 7 48 153 2 11 127 1 2 Penn St.
59 1959 1 4 Don Allard QB WAS 1961 1962 0 0 0 2 5 Boston Col.
60 1958 1 4 Lou Michaels DE RAM 1958 1971 0 2 18 61 171 4 Kentucky
Misc Passing Rushing Receiving
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
61 1957 1 4 Ron Kramer E GNB 1957 1967 1 1 7 47 128 0 1 0 0 1 6 9 0 229 3272 16 Michigan
62 1956 1 4 Bob Pellegrini LB PHI 1956 1965 0 0 7 40 107 13 Maryland
63 1955 1 4 Ralph Guglielmi QB WAS 1955 1963 0 0 1 21 66 292 626 4119 24 52 177 633 2 Notre Dame
64 1954 1 4 Veryl Switzer HB GNB 1954 1955 0 0 1 11 24 31 160 0 31 269 3 Kansas St.
65 1953 1 4 Johnny Olszewski FB CRD 1953 1962 0 2 7 39 113 0 1 0 0 1 837 3320 16 104 988 3 California
66 1952 1 4 Babe Parilli QB GNB 1952 1969 1 3 9 63 189 1552 3330 22681 178 220 383 1522 23 1 0 0 Kentucky
67 1951 1 4 Leon Heath FB WAS 1951 1953 0 0 3 16 31 230 813 6 29 194 1 Oklahoma
68 1950 1 4 Clayton Tonnemaker LB GNB 1950 1954 0 1 3 30 36 2 Minnesota
69 1949 1 4 Paul Page HB NYG 1949 1949 0 0 0 0 8 25 81 0 4 62 0 SMU
70 1948 1 4 Lowell Tew FB WAS 1948 1949 0 0 0 0 15 38 160 6 7 97 0 Alabama
71 1947 1 4 Cal Rossi B WAS 0 0 0 UCLA
72 1946 1 4 Johnny Lujack QB CHI 1948 1951 1 2 6 23 45 404 808 6295 41 54 133 742 21 1 16 0 12 Notre Dame
73 1945 1 4 Eddie Prokop B BOS 1946 1949 0 0 2 0 40 8 20 209 2 1 226 935 8 16 361 5 4 Georgia Tech
74 1944 1 4 Otto Graham HOF QB DET 1946 1955 7 5 10 84 126 1464 2626 23584 174 135 405 882 44 7 Northwestern
75 1943 1 4 Paul Governali QB BKN 1946 1948 0 0 2 0 32 218 500 3348 31 33 79 -83 4 Columbia
76 1942 1 4 Steve Lach WB CRD 1942 1947 0 0 2 0 32 2 6 12 1 0 192 580 13 32 360 5 5 Duke
77 1941 1 4 Rudy Mucha G RAM 1941 1946 0 0 0 0 22 2 -1 0 1 3 0 Washington
78 1940 1 4 Banks McFadden HB BKN 1940 1940 0 0 1 0 11 3 8 103 1 1 85 411 1 9 97 2 2 Clemson
79 1939 1 4 Davey O'Brien QB PHI 1939 1940 0 1 2 0 22 223 478 2614 11 34 208 -194 2 4 TCU
80 1938 1 4 Whizzer White TB PIT 1938 1941 2 0 5 0 33 86 215 1192 4 35 387 1321 11 16 301 1 5 Colorado
81 1937 1 4 Ed Widseth T NYG 1937 1940 1 1 1 0 44 Minnesota
82 1936 1 4 Dick Crayne FB BKN 1936 1937
See any good names on there? Any RTs?
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And the need for Richardson could depend on what happens with Hillis. The Browns do need a scatback. A Darren Sproles type.
There are 2 kids from Florida, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey. Both short, both light, both very speedy. Or there is LaMichael James of oragun.
Wouldnt you consider Armond Smith that type of speedy scat back, sure he showed a couple of fumbles in pre season games, but also burst a 80 yd touchdown run aslo. and he was signed back onto contract right after the season so Front office still must like what they have seen in him.
Wouldnt you consider Armond Smith that type of speedy scat back, sure he showed a couple of fumbles in pre season games, but also burst a 80 yd touchdown run aslo. and he was signed back onto contract right after the season so Front office still must like what they have seen in him.
I really think they need to give that kid a shot. Super fast and can break one at any moment, I'm not sure how he catches the ball though.
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I think we are either going after Flynn, but more likely going to draft Ryan Tannehill....at #4.
Yep...at #4
Right now he projects as a late first rounder, but after the all-star games, combines, etc., I believe his stock is going to go up a great deal.
It might be a bit of a reach at #4, but we can't think of trading down as Miami would be all over him.
I doubt anybody will trade up to #3, so Ryan Tannehill is the pick.
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Zombo said:
Tannehill is 6'2, fairly accurate with an average arm.
We already have one of those.
Sensing you don't like Griffin, lets take him out of the question... Why on earth would you spend a #4 on this kid instead of getting Colt weapons and giving him a third year?
Ryan Tannehil????
Zombo
+1. We can't do a reach @ #4, for the Browns to progress next year, they have to hit a home run with that pick. Looking at Gip's list of All-Time picks at #4 there have been a ton of great players taken there. Get Colt a real wr (Blackmon, hopefully) and fix the right side of the o-line, resign Hillis.
And Z, you really need to explain why on earth you'd want Manning here as a short term band aid.
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I normally agree with you Zombo, but signing Manning would bethe worst decision since moving to Baltimore.
Signing a mid 30's QB who just had surgery to fuse his neck bones together when we are trying to build a foundation?
It would set this franchise back another 5 years.
Manning gets hurt in week 3 and then were right back where we started.
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Ryan Tannehill is actually 6'4" and has a fairly decent arm, but no way he is taken at #4. Plus they are reporting he sustained a "significant foot injury" this last week. What that injury is, nobody is saying.
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Peyton Manning is not coming to the Browns.
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