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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    RG3 and Colt McCoy are the same. Colt is IMO better than RG3... why would you want to spend the number 4 overall pick of the Draft to draft a guy you already have on the team? In fact, it may even be a downgrade to what you already have... but seems as how this FO released Vickers and signed Marecic, I see how you'd come to the conclusion we take RG3 😉

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    @poeticg said:

    RG3 and Colt McCoy are the same. Colt is IMO better than RG3... why would you want to spend the number 4 overall pick of the Draft to draft a guy you already have on the team? In fact, it may even be a downgrade to what you already have... but seems as how this FO released Vickers and signed Marecic, I see how you'd come to the conclusion we take RG3 😉

    I dont even think i can comment on this

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      Blackmon is Dez Bryant without the mental baggage. RG3 will be Steve McNair.

      The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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        Blackmon is Dez Bryant without the mental baggage. RG3 will be Steve McNair.

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        @unsympathetic said:

        Blackmon is Dez Bryant without the mental baggage. RG3 will be Steve McNair.

        I think the Bryant/Blackmon comparison is fair but RG3 to McNair? That remains to be seen. Personally I see Griffin as better than McNair but I'd still take it if that's all he amounts to.

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          ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by ballpeen
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          #4...Ryan Tannehill

          #22..Mohammad Sanu

          If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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            #4...Ryan Tannehill

            #22..Mohammad Sanu

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            Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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            @ballpeen said:

            #4...Ryan Tannehill

            #22..Mohammad Sanu

            Dude,

            #4 Blackmon

            #22 Mohammad Sanu

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              BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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              #4 - RG3 please

              #22 - Kendal Wright WR - Baylor

              #22 is a tough call. We really need to shore up so many positions. We need to shore up our OL. I think we need that stud LB. RB might need looked at but I thought Chris Ogbonnaya made some great runs this year and showed potential. I like him a lot more than Hardesty at this point.

              One thing that is certain, you need a QB. You need a guy who is going to go out on the field with confidence and make the needed throws. Colt did not look like that at all this year. For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy. We need someone that knows he has the arm to make the throws that are needed to stretch the defense and to throw into tight coverage. Look our WR's aren't going to be open all the time, it's not going to happen regardless of how good a WR is. QB and WR's make each other great. And sometimes you just have to make that throw, and let the WR make a play. The greats have all done that.

              I would love to see Colt prove me wrong. He has a great head on his shoulders, and a great attitude, I'm just worried because he Digressed this year from last year. Shoot he even looked better in our preseason this year. Something changed and happend and he is going to have to figure that out.

              But as of right now we need someone with some swag, a little mojo. Colt didn't display that confidence this year that I want to see in a QB.

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                #4 - RG3 please

                #22 - Kendal Wright WR - Baylor

                #22 is a tough call. We really need to shore up so many positions. We need to shore up our OL. I think we need that stud LB. RB might need looked at but I thought Chris Ogbonnaya made some great runs this year and showed potential. I like him a lot more than Hardesty at this point.

                One thing that is certain, you need a QB. You need a guy who is going to go out on the field with confidence and make the needed throws. Colt did not look like that at all this year. For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy. We need someone that knows he has the arm to make the throws that are needed to stretch the defense and to throw into tight coverage. Look our WR's aren't going to be open all the time, it's not going to happen regardless of how good a WR is. QB and WR's make each other great. And sometimes you just have to make that throw, and let the WR make a play. The greats have all done that.

                I would love to see Colt prove me wrong. He has a great head on his shoulders, and a great attitude, I'm just worried because he Digressed this year from last year. Shoot he even looked better in our preseason this year. Something changed and happend and he is going to have to figure that out.

                But as of right now we need someone with some swag, a little mojo. Colt didn't display that confidence this year that I want to see in a QB.

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                Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                @brownskidd said:

                For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy.

                Coaching and play calling.

                Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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                  @brownskidd said:

                  For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy.

                  Coaching and play calling.

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                  @kosar_for_president said:

                  Coaching and play calling.

                  Yeah but thats not gonna change with Shurmur

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                    @brownskidd said:

                    For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy.

                    Coaching and play calling.

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                    BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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                    @kosar_for_president said:

                    Coaching and play calling.

                    Agreed to a point. Our play calling sucked, but sometimes you have to pull the trigger and let it fly.

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                      @kosar_for_president said:

                      Coaching and play calling.

                      Yeah but thats not gonna change with Shurmur

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                      @nw220 said:

                      Yeah but thats not gonna change with Shurmur

                      It might. Even though Holmgren has put his vote of confidence in Shurmur, it doesn't mean that Holmgren hasn't behind closed doors kicked someone's a$$ for some of the crap going on this year. For some reason I get the impression that some people think that Holmgren and Shurmur are in bed together. I highly doubt that. I'm sure after plenty of games there were some very deep discussions about coarching, playhing, etc, etc, by Holmgren. We are getting an OC, so something is going to change, and from my persepective it has to be better than what we did this year.

                      The question is who do we hire and when? Do we hire before the draft or after the draft? If we get RG3, do we look for a OC that will adapt to RG3's skill set and develope a WCO around him? Or do we hire an OC and get him involved in our draft choices...?

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                        @kosar_for_president said:

                        Coaching and play calling.

                        Agreed to a point. Our play calling sucked, but sometimes you have to pull the trigger and let it fly.

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                        Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                        @brownskidd said:

                        Agreed to a point. Our play calling sucked, but sometimes you have to pull the trigger and let it fly.

                        I really think with the hiring of Childress will help McCoy A LOT. The best thing Shurmur did this year realize he can't call plays.

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                          @kosar_for_president said:

                          Coaching and play calling.

                          Yeah but thats not gonna change with Shurmur

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                          Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                          @nw220 said:

                          Yeah but thats not gonna change with Shurmur

                          It will with a new offensive coordinator.

                          Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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                            #4 - RG3 please

                            #22 - Kendal Wright WR - Baylor

                            #22 is a tough call. We really need to shore up so many positions. We need to shore up our OL. I think we need that stud LB. RB might need looked at but I thought Chris Ogbonnaya made some great runs this year and showed potential. I like him a lot more than Hardesty at this point.

                            One thing that is certain, you need a QB. You need a guy who is going to go out on the field with confidence and make the needed throws. Colt did not look like that at all this year. For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy. We need someone that knows he has the arm to make the throws that are needed to stretch the defense and to throw into tight coverage. Look our WR's aren't going to be open all the time, it's not going to happen regardless of how good a WR is. QB and WR's make each other great. And sometimes you just have to make that throw, and let the WR make a play. The greats have all done that.

                            I would love to see Colt prove me wrong. He has a great head on his shoulders, and a great attitude, I'm just worried because he Digressed this year from last year. Shoot he even looked better in our preseason this year. Something changed and happend and he is going to have to figure that out.

                            But as of right now we need someone with some swag, a little mojo. Colt didn't display that confidence this year that I want to see in a QB.

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                            hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                            @brownskidd said:

                            #4 - RG3 please

                            #22 - Kendal Wright WR - Baylor

                            #22 is a tough call. We really need to shore up so many positions. We need to shore up our OL. I think we need that stud LB. RB might need looked at but I thought Chris Ogbonnaya made some great runs this year and showed potential. I like him a lot more than Hardesty at this point.

                            One thing that is certain, you need a QB. You need a guy who is going to go out on the field with confidence and make the needed throws. Colt did not look like that at all this year. For someone with the name of "Colt" he was awefully gun shy. We need someone that knows he has the arm to make the throws that are needed to stretch the defense and to throw into tight coverage. Look our WR's aren't going to be open all the time, it's not going to happen regardless of how good a WR is. QB and WR's make each other great. And sometimes you just have to make that throw, and let the WR make a play. The greats have all done that.

                            I would love to see Colt prove me wrong. He has a great head on his shoulders, and a great attitude, I'm just worried because he Digressed this year from last year. Shoot he even looked better in our preseason this year. Something changed and happend and he is going to have to figure that out.

                            But as of right now we need someone with some swag, a little mojo. Colt didn't display that confidence this year that I want to see in a QB.

                            I'll agree that Colt regressed- but I'm willing to give him one more season to "get it". Get him a real wr opposite Little, and fix the damn o-line. If he still sucks, we go QB in 2013. The Bengals did OK with Andy Dalton in the second round, no?

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                              Hi! I'm new here, but I've been keeping up with the draft possibilities. I fully expect (and if you read the Redskins boards, so do they) for the Redskins to trade with St. Louis for the number 2 pick. Do we really want to get into a bidding war with the Redskins when we have so many other holes to fill? It's quite possible that Jeff Fisher will be the Rams next head coach and he just happens to be one of Mike Shanahan's very good friends. RG3 was interviewed about his favorite QB and his favorite team of all time and his answer was John Elway and the Denver Broncos when Shanahan coached. I'd bet that he'd relish the idea of being coached by the guy who coached his all-time favorite QB.

                              Also, we do not need a QB and even if we do, we definitely have too many holes to fill to be getting into a bidding war with someone like Dan Snyder over one that doesn't fit our system in the first place and when we already have Colt McCoy (who I'd like to see the starting QB next year with more talent around him).

                              I think the best scenario for us is to bring in Matt Flynn at QB and for the draft to go this way:

                              1. Colts - Luck

                              2. Redskins - RG3 (trade with Rams)

                              3. Vikings - Kalil

                              4. Browns - Blackmon

                              22. Browns - Richardson

                              Trading down is always an option, but I don't think the team should trade out of the top ten. I do think that after the combine the race between Blackmon, Jefferson and Floyd as far as who is the best receiver in the draft will be a lot closer so trading down with the Dolphins or Redskins could mean that we get extra picks in addition to a really good WR (I still think though that the Rams hold all the cards).

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                                @brownskidd said:

                                Agreed to a point. Our play calling sucked, but sometimes you have to pull the trigger and let it fly.

                                I really think with the hiring of Childress will help McCoy A LOT. The best thing Shurmur did this year realize he can't call plays.

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                                @kosar_for_president said:

                                I really think with the hiring of Childress will help McCoy A LOT. The best thing Shurmur did this year realize he can't call plays.

                                I think I heard that Childress is interviewing for the HC job at Tampa.

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                                  BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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                                  Trading down has some advantages, but I would feel like cutting my right arm off we did that again and missed on RG3 or Blackmon. If RG3 is not there. We get Blackmon at #4. Than at #22 I would like to grab a stud Linebacker or shore up the right side of our OL.

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                                    Trading down has some advantages, but I would feel like cutting my right arm off we did that again and missed on RG3 or Blackmon. If RG3 is not there. We get Blackmon at #4. Than at #22 I would like to grab a stud Linebacker or shore up the right side of our OL.

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                                    @brownskidd said:

                                    Trading down has some advantages, but I would feel like cutting my right arm off we did that again and missed on RG3 or Blackmon. If RG3 is not there. We get Blackmon at #4. Than at #22 I would like to grab a stud Linebacker or shore up the right side of our OL.

                                    I don't think there is a "if RG3 is not there at #4" option. He won't last to #4. The question is, are we willing to get into a bidding war with the Redskins or the Dolphins for him? John Clayton of ESPN who used to be a major part of the Skins organization and still has ties said that the Skins will trade up http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-clayton-predicts-redskins-will-trade-up-draft-robert-griffin-iii/2012/01/05/gIQABHztcP_blog.html

                                    I don't think it would make sense at all for the Browns to get into a bidding war when we don't have wide receivers, an offensive line, probably a starting running back, etc. If the Skins trade up, we have a very good chance of getting Blackmon as I don't think the Vikings would take him. If we traded down we could still probably get a good receiver, but who would we trade down with? Especially if the QB-needy teams are looking to trade with the Rams?

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                                      @brownskidd said:

                                      Trading down has some advantages, but I would feel like cutting my right arm off we did that again and missed on RG3 or Blackmon. If RG3 is not there. We get Blackmon at #4. Than at #22 I would like to grab a stud Linebacker or shore up the right side of our OL.

                                      I don't think there is a "if RG3 is not there at #4" option. He won't last to #4. The question is, are we willing to get into a bidding war with the Redskins or the Dolphins for him? John Clayton of ESPN who used to be a major part of the Skins organization and still has ties said that the Skins will trade up http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-clayton-predicts-redskins-will-trade-up-draft-robert-griffin-iii/2012/01/05/gIQABHztcP_blog.html

                                      I don't think it would make sense at all for the Browns to get into a bidding war when we don't have wide receivers, an offensive line, probably a starting running back, etc. If the Skins trade up, we have a very good chance of getting Blackmon as I don't think the Vikings would take him. If we traded down we could still probably get a good receiver, but who would we trade down with? Especially if the QB-needy teams are looking to trade with the Rams?

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                                      miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by miktoxic
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                                      @vizion said:

                                      I don't think there is a "if RG3 is not there at #4" option. He won't last to #4. The question is, are we willing to get into a bidding war with the Redskins or the Dolphins for him? John Clayton of ESPN who used to be a major part of the Skins organization and still has ties said that the Skins will trade up http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-clayton-predicts-redskins-will-trade-up-draft-robert-griffin-iii/2012/01/05/gIQABHztcP_blog.html

                                      I don't think it would make sense at all for the Browns to get into a bidding war when we don't have wide receivers, an offensive line, probably a starting running back, etc. If the Skins trade up, we have a very good chance of getting Blackmon as I don't think the Vikings would take him. If we traded down we could still probably get a good receiver, but who would we trade down with? Especially if the QB-needy teams are looking to trade with the Rams?

                                      you might be new here but you make more sense than a lot of people who've been here for a while.

                                      keep #4 and get blackmon or trade down.

                                      and what i saw of richardson last night doesn't inspire me to get him @ #22. who did jump off the screen last night was the LB hightower from alabama.

                                      if we could get a wr, lb and cb with the first 3 picks.............party over here!

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                                        @vizion said:

                                        I don't think there is a "if RG3 is not there at #4" option. He won't last to #4. The question is, are we willing to get into a bidding war with the Redskins or the Dolphins for him? John Clayton of ESPN who used to be a major part of the Skins organization and still has ties said that the Skins will trade up http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/john-clayton-predicts-redskins-will-trade-up-draft-robert-griffin-iii/2012/01/05/gIQABHztcP_blog.html

                                        I don't think it would make sense at all for the Browns to get into a bidding war when we don't have wide receivers, an offensive line, probably a starting running back, etc. If the Skins trade up, we have a very good chance of getting Blackmon as I don't think the Vikings would take him. If we traded down we could still probably get a good receiver, but who would we trade down with? Especially if the QB-needy teams are looking to trade with the Rams?

                                        you might be new here but you make more sense than a lot of people who've been here for a while.

                                        keep #4 and get blackmon or trade down.

                                        and what i saw of richardson last night doesn't inspire me to get him @ #22. who did jump off the screen last night was the LB hightower from alabama.

                                        if we could get a wr, lb and cb with the first 3 picks.............party over here!

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                                        @miktoxic said:

                                        you might be new here but you make more sense than a lot of people who've been here for a while.

                                        keep #4 and get blackmon or trade down.

                                        and what i saw of richardson last night doesn't inspire me to get him @ #22. who did jump off the screen last night was the LB hightower from alabama.

                                        if we could get a wr, lb and cb with the first 3 picks.............party over here!

                                        I am not too fond of drafting RB's high, but I really think there is a very small chance that Hillis will still be here. If he isn't, and after reading Holmgren's interview, I think he views the key to any QB (specifically Colt's) success as a team having a strong running game so I can see him drafting Richardson. I think Hightower is a stud, I just don't know if he'll be around at #22. The Eagles really really need linebackers.

                                        I know that most people here are very pro-Blackmon, but what would people think of trading down and maybe getting Floyd and an extra offensive lineman with the pick we get from whoever we trade with? If we don't take Richardson but trade down with a team that really needs an RB, we could further build through the draft. I think we should use this draft to fill as many holes possible but still getting quality players who can be productive at skill positions.

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                                          Problem is no way does Richardson make it past the Bungles or Jets to Cleveland they would both jump on him before we got the chance and i wouldnt take him with the 4th pick, as far as the Washington trading with St.Louis there could be one peice that could unfold before the draft which is if Dan Snyder makes a play for Matt Flynn and dosent wanna waiger the possibility of working out a trade to get RG3,theres a good possiblity they couldnt and would you wanna take that bet. That might mean they would have to reach at 6 for Ryan Tannehill

                                          I think Washington Signs Flynn because they have never been afraid to spend money, or they could all throw us a curve ball and get Peyton Manning...

                                          But yes there is a good possiblity they could move up with St.Louis but nothing is set in stone, wait until after F/A first.

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