#4 #22

[PoeticG]

There are five Studs coming out this year within the top 5 of the Draft. We have the FOURTH pick. There will be two guys to chose from. I say we HAVE to pick one of them, for there is a reason they are considered ELITE. Do I want R2D2, I wouldn't object if he's there at 4 but if he is and we don't take him in favor of Richardson or Blackmon... or even Kalil, I wouldn't object to that either. It going to take a boneheaded move to screw up this draft. The worst thing we could do in this situation is trade up, unless it's for Luck.. in that case I'd do it.

[jparsh]

@miktoxic said:

let me guess. you're fiancee's name is RGlll?

this shit is too easy.

That wasn't even funny. Yes it's easy to not be funny.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

This guy makes Rich look like a genius.

[jparsh]

@choco said:

ya know the great thing about being stupid? those that qualify are completely oblivious to it. if you truely think youre the only one here that understands this topic, have a look in the mirror. youre not donald trump. at least in his case, he's actually done something with his life to act like an ignorant asshole. you....not so much.

for example to demonstrate your stupidity: using a broad insult like "anyone on the internet longer than me have no lives". hmm...how to dissect this....

1. you registered 2 months ago....is that "a couple weeks a year"? nice try changing the parameters to match your argument...

2. so, by your definition, you must have developed no life around November last year...

3. what logic...exactly...led you to the conclusion that anyone, let alone everyone, that posts on message boards have no lives? thats a solid fucking opinion if i ever saw one...

4. using grade school smack when talking with adults

5. lack of understanding your target audience....many of the folks here were sitting at the muni before you were born....

so, kindly go fuck yourself.....youre no better than anyone else. judging by your man-love for a QB that cant take a snap from center, id say you hardly possess the equipment to comprehend what the adults are discussing.

look...an ice cream truck!

When did I post? And it's true, the fact that you're that oblivious makes it even funnier of how stupid you are.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Oh my God.

It's Quinn-Anderson all over again.

[jparsh]

Zombo said:

Nice. Now you have three guys that want to kick your ass.

Do you like tailgates?

Zombo

Nope, but I'm going to be hoopin later at the Y on Detroit. Feel free to stop on up. I'm a white guy with some tats, I'll be in the gym. If you want in just tell them that you want to check the place out. Come on the court and ask for Jesse. I'll be there around 4 or so, probably til about 6 or 7. Stop on up pussy.

[jparsh]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Oh my God.

It's Quinn-Anderson all over again.

Really? There were people who thought either one of those guys were good? You guys are dumber than I thought. I knew from day one that both were garbage. I gave Quinn the benefit of the doubt because Weiss was so sold on him but Anderson was a no brainer garbage QB.

[jparsh]

Zombo said:

Thanks for describing your body at the YMCA for me, Jesse, but I live in Naples, Florida. In a deluxe double-wide. The kinfolk only let me fly up for the tailgates, that's why I'm asking. Unless, of course, it interferes with the Possum Fest that weekend.

Zombo

So people get their kicks talking shit on the internet when they know they live hundreds of miles from everybody else. Am I the only true Clevelander in this place???? I can't do anything for you if you're too big of a pussy to say something to someones face. I'm done, if you ever actually make your way up to Cleveland from that hell hole of Florida let me know. Thanks

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Zombo said:

Thanks for describing your body at the YMCA for me, Jesse, but I live in Naples, Florida. In a deluxe double-wide. The kinfolk only let me fly up for the tailgates, that's why I'm asking. Unless, of course, it interferes with the Possum Fest that weekend.

Zombo

Shhh... he doesn't believe people live anywhere other than Cleveland.

Then again, he doesn't have a bet with you to puss out on, so maybe he'll believe you.

[VaporTrail]

I'd rather get a feared linebacker EARLY in the draft. One that will make our LB's much more improved. I don't think that we need a DE early in the draft, I tend to think that Marcus Benard will be the piece that we need opposite Sheard. Marcus was a beast for us and getting better every game until his accident. The guy will improve the line when he comes back for us.

I feel that drafting an OLB really high tends to not work out. I mean, yes, there is Clay3, but I think he's a rarity compared to guys like Von Miller and Aaron Curry.

[Kosar_For_President]

jparsh said:

So people get their kicks talking shit on the internet when they know they live hundreds of miles from everybody else. Am I the only true Clevelander in this place???? I can't do anything for you if you're too big of a pussy to say something to someones face. I'm done, if you ever actually make your way up to Cleveland from that hell hole of Florida let me know. Thanks

Dude sorry Cleveland sucks. I know it's going to piss people off, but everyone in that city are Debbie downers and make mountains out of molehills.

[PoeticG]

@vaportrail said:

I feel that drafting an OLB really high tends to not work out. I mean, yes, there is Clay3, but I think he's a rarity compared to guys like Von Miller and Aaron Curry.

I know what you mean, but have the Browns EVER drafted a Linebacker in the first since coming back in 99? I just want our version of a Clay Matthews, a Ray Lewis, a Patrick Willis... you know what I mean? I love DQ but he is not the above named, he is Good maybe even great, but with one of the above beside him I think DQ becomes ELITE... just sayin'

[PoeticG]

Could Hightower or Burfict fit the mold of what we are looking for out of a LB or should we continue to wait for one, or should we look for another GoCong in FA? I know it sounds like I'm bitching but I'm not really, just looking for solutions...

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@vaportrail said:

I feel that drafting an OLB really high tends to not work out. I mean, yes, there is Clay3, but I think he's a rarity compared to guys like Von Miller and Aaron Curry.

Von Miller made a Pro Bowl in his rookie season.

I'll take that.

[bringbackbrownie2]

@poeticg said:

Could Hightower or Burfict fit the mold of what we are looking for out of a LB or should we continue to wait for one, or should we look for another GoCong in FA? I know it sounds like I'm bitching but I'm not really, just looking for solutions...

We need a speedy linebacker to stop runningbacks from getting to the edge. Hightower isn't fast and Burfict has major character issues. Zach Brown is an OLB out of UNC that is projected to go in the first round and is a true 4-3 LB. He also is listed as having run a ridiculous 4.48 40 - which is wide receiver type speed at a linebacker position. I'm not really sure about any others..

[The Gipper]

I always suspected that Cleveland sports fans were the dumbest in the country, but this place proves it. You people are against picking a QB with great potential with the 4th pick but you people would rather have who? Blackmon? Richardson? Who? Who are we supposed to take in order to help the Browns win a super bowl? Do RB's win super Bowls? NO. Do WR's win super Bowls? No.

Cleveland fans are by all measures some of the most astute, intelligent sports fans in the nation. Because of how bad our teams have been we have become more adept at analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of a sports team than most others. Fans of a winning team have nothing to do but say "rah, rah, we won". We have to be oh so much more critical and analytical.

In terms of picking a QB with all this great potential that you claim he has, the fact is we have been there, done that and am wary of all these glowing reports about how great a top drafted player is. In the past 12 drafts, the Browns have had choices in the top 3 of the draft on 5 occasions....and we got a bust in Tim Couch, a bust in Courtney Brown, a bust in Gerard Warren, a bust in Braylon Edwards, and a hit in Joe Thomas.

And at QB the Browns have gone for the franchise savior, Brady Quinn with their first round pick.

Perhaps now you can figure out why Cleveland fans may be skeptical and wary of all these "can't miss" draft prospects at the top of the draft. Let's just say that they are "easily able to miss" draft prospects rather than can't miss prospects.

So pardon us if we don't immediately kowtow to your way of thinking on any particular draft selection....be it a QB or otherwise.

[PoeticG]

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

We need a speedy linebacker to stop runningbacks from getting to the edge. Hightower isn't fast and Burfict has major character issues. Zach Brown is an OLB out of UNC that is projected to go in the first round and is a true 4-3 LB. He also is listed as having run a ridiculous 4.48 40 - which is wide receiver type speed at a linebacker position. I'm not really sure about any others..

Wow, that's a fast Linebacker(Zach Brown)!

If the only thing about Burfict is that he has "character concerns", do we really want to pass on the guy? Wouldn't him coming onto a team with the standup DQ, Fujita and GoCong do wonders for his character? I've heard that he's a soft spoken, polite individual until he puts on the pads.... that's hardly "headcase material". Even if he is a headcase, isn't Ray Lewis? He was a mess until after his "murder" incident, and look at the beast Ray Lewis has been for the last decade... I'll take Burfict if that's his only downfall... would you?

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@poeticg said:

Wow, that's a fast Linebacker(Zach Brown)!

If the only thing about Burfict is that he has "character concerns", do we really want to pass on the guy? Wouldn't him coming onto a team with the standup DQ, Fujita and GoCong do wonders for his character? I've heard that he's a soft spoken, polite individual until he puts on the pads.... that's hardly "headcase material". Even if he is a headcase, isn't Ray Lewis? He was a mess until after his "murder" incident, and look at the beast Ray Lewis has been for the last decade... I'll take Burfict if that's his only downfall... would you?

Unless we move DQ to OLB, Burfict won't have a place to play.

[PoeticG]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Unless we move DQ to OLB, Burfict won't have a place to play.

What would be the pros and cons of moving Burfict to the outside, or even moving DQ to the outside? Would it make that much difference. Aren't all the pieces interchangeable in that on some plays you blitz the middle and on others the outside? Some plays are designed to run a man coverage with certain linebackers and in other run a zone? Could we not fit our Defense to incorporate both of these linebackers? Because if we could it would make our defense faster and more aggressive for sure.

You know last year everyone expected us to take AJ Green or Julio Jones in the draft at 7... we didn't do what everyone thought we would. It was a draft day shocker and we wound up having one of the best drafts in recent memory. What if we were to select any two of Quinton Couples/Burfict/Zach Brown/Donta Hightower with our first two picks then Minnifeild with our 2nd rounder? Would that give us an ELITE DEFENSE?

Of course that would entail selecting a promising young OL in the 3rd round(where we got Pinkston if I remember correctly), and addressing the Wide Receiver position in FA... It's just a thought... Heckert would approve I'm sure, as would Dick Jauron. LOL

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@poeticg said:

What would be the pros and cons of moving Burfict to the outside, or even moving DQ to the outside? Would it make that much difference. Aren't all the pieces interchangeable in that on some plays you blitz the middle and on others the outside? Some plays are designed to run a man coverage with certain linebackers and in other run a zone? Could we not fit our Defense to incorporate both of these linebackers? Because if we could it would make our defense faster and more aggressive for sure.

You know last year everyone expected us to take AJ Green or Julio Jones in the draft at 7... we didn't do what everyone thought we would. It was a draft day shocker and we wound up having one of the best drafts in recent memory. What if we were to select any two of Quinton Couples/Burfict/Zach Brown/Donta Hightower with our first two picks then Minnifeild with our 2nd rounder? Would that give us an ELITE DEFENSE?

Of course that would entail selecting a promising young OL in the 3rd round(where we got Pinkston if I remember correctly), and addressing the Wide Receiver position in FA... It's just a thought... Heckert would approve I'm sure, as would Dick Jauron. LOL

The idea of bumping DQ to OLB has been tossed around a few. It all comes down to coverages, really. The best defense to bump a LB like DQ over in would be the 4-3. 4-3 LB's are asked to cover more than they are to blitz. They're more the traditional LB that comes to mind.

As I posted earlier, I expect RG3 to fall to us and for us to trade back and acquire either an early second round pick along with another pick in next year's draft. We could conceivably go Alshon Jeffery, Zach Brown, Vinny Curry, and Andrew Datko. According to most mocks that I've seen, our picks would align perfectly to address our glaring needs: WR, OLB, DE, and OT.