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Vinny Curry and Andrew Datko I must admit that I don't know much about... is Vinny by chance a brother to Aaron Curry the linebacker?
Outside of Jackson our linebacking core is the weakest position on the team, IMO even more so than say CB or WR. I like Maiava a lot, GoCong I don't see as having a much higher ceiling than from what we've seen from him already.
We need a fast, strong, smart, hardhitting, ball-catching, TE covering monster of a Linebacker in a Cleveland Browns Helmet next season! Somebody that runningbacks cringe and run away from, someone who cracks heads and asks questions later... A bigger, on HGH and Steroids with dangerously high levels of testosterone- T.J. Ward...@ Linebacker.
I sure wish we would have pulled the trigger on D. Bowers to go opposite Jabaal Sheard last draft... I heard he's beasted out now... figures...
Vinny Curry and Andrew Datko I must admit that I don't know much about... is Vinny by chance a brother to Aaron Curry the linebacker?
Outside of Jackson our linebacking core is the weakest position on the team, IMO even more so than say CB or WR. I like Maiava a lot, GoCong I don't see as having a much higher ceiling than from what we've seen from him already.
We need a fast, strong, smart, hardhitting, ball-catching, TE covering monster of a Linebacker in a Cleveland Browns Helmet next season! Somebody that runningbacks cringe and run away from, someone who cracks heads and asks questions later... A bigger, on HGH and Steroids with dangerously high levels of testosterone- T.J. Ward...@ Linebacker.
I sure wish we would have pulled the trigger on D. Bowers to go opposite Jabaal Sheard last draft... I heard he's beasted out now... figures...
...before I get chewed out I have to say that I know Bowers was a DE and NOT a linebacker, I was just stating that it would be nice to have him, as I think that would have finished our line. It would be a position that we wouldn't have to focus on this year which would open another position of need to be filled, is all.
I've gotta be honest, I'm not incredibly impressed with the talent coming out in the draft this year, anyone else feel that way? I would say that in relation to recent drafts. There are a few STELLAR players that I would be happy with, no doubt. Just overall, I feel like this isn't the deepest strongest draft in recent memory at least in the first round...
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Vinny Curry and Andrew Datko I must admit that I don't know much about... is Vinny by chance a brother to Aaron Curry the linebacker?
Outside of Jackson our linebacking core is the weakest position on the team, IMO even more so than say CB or WR. I like Maiava a lot, GoCong I don't see as having a much higher ceiling than from what we've seen from him already.
We need a fast, strong, smart, hardhitting, ball-catching, TE covering monster of a Linebacker in a Cleveland Browns Helmet next season! Somebody that runningbacks cringe and run away from, someone who cracks heads and asks questions later... A bigger, on HGH and Steroids with dangerously high levels of testosterone- T.J. Ward...@ Linebacker.
I sure wish we would have pulled the trigger on D. Bowers to go opposite Jabaal Sheard last draft... I heard he's beasted out now... figures...
Vinny Curry and Andrew Datko I must admit that I don't know much about... is Vinny by chance a brother to Aaron Curry the linebacker?
Outside of Jackson our linebacking core is the weakest position on the team, IMO even more so than say CB or WR. I like Maiava a lot, GoCong I don't see as having a much higher ceiling than from what we've seen from him already.
We need a fast, strong, smart, hardhitting, ball-catching, TE covering monster of a Linebacker in a Cleveland Browns Helmet next season! Somebody that runningbacks cringe and run away from, someone who cracks heads and asks questions later... A bigger, on HGH and Steroids with dangerously high levels of testosterone- T.J. Ward...@ Linebacker.
I sure wish we would have pulled the trigger on D. Bowers to go opposite Jabaal Sheard last draft... I heard he's beasted out now... figures...
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jparsh said:
So people get their kicks talking shit on the internet when they know they live hundreds of miles from everybody else. Am I the only true Clevelander in this place???? I can't do anything for you if you're too big of a pussy to say something to someones face. I'm done, if you ever actually make your way up to Cleveland from that hell hole of Florida let me know. Thanks
Are you a Clevelander? People have accused you of being a Steeler fan, am I wrong? Please correct me if I am mistaken. I would not want to place any sort of harsh judgment upon you if that is not the case. If it is the case, then no judgment can be harsh enough.
Are you a Clevelander? People have accused you of being a Steeler fan, am I wrong? Please correct me if I am mistaken. I would not want to place any sort of harsh judgment upon you if that is not the case. If it is the case, then no judgment can be harsh enough.
I think I'm the only Clevelander in this whole place. Everyone else claims to be from all over the east coast. I'm involved in a couple of the downtown revitalization projects. I would never leave Cleveland, love this place.
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Richardson is garbage. Anyone can look good in the highlight film. I can't think of one thing except that late 4th quarter run that he did well in the national championship game. RB's are a dime a dozen, pick up an undrafted free agent or grab a RB in the 7th round and we'll be fine.
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Richardson is garbage. Anyone can look good in the highlight film. I can't think of one thing except that late 4th quarter run that he did well in the national championship game. RB's are a dime a dozen, pick up an undrafted free agent or grab a RB in the 7th round and we'll be fine.
jparsh said:
Richardson is garbage. Anyone can look good in the highlight film. I can't think of one thing except that late 4th quarter run that he did well in the national championship game. RB's are a dime a dozen, pick up an undrafted free agent or grab a RB in the 7th round and we'll be fine.
Show me a 6th rounder like this and I'll agree with you. The kid is amazing, if you can't see that then tell me what you're watching...
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Not sure if I did this right or not. But here's an undrafted free agent who happens to be one of the best running backs in the league.
jparsh said:
Not sure if I did this right or not. But here's an undrafted free agent who happens to be one of the best running backs in the league.
There are always exceptions to the rule, arguably the best QB in the game right now is a 6th rounder. I have zero problem drafting Richardson if we have a hole at RB and Blackmon is already off the board. The offense would need play makers and he is a play maker.
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jparsh said:
Not sure if I did this right or not. But here's an undrafted free agent who happens to be one of the best running backs in the league.
There are always exceptions to the rule, arguably the best QB in the game right now is a 6th rounder. I have zero problem drafting Richardson if we have a hole at RB and Blackmon is already off the board. The offense would need play makers and he is a play maker.
There are always exceptions to the rule, arguably the best QB in the game right now is a 6th rounder. I have zero problem drafting Richardson if we have a hole at RB and Blackmon is already off the board. The offense would need play makers and he is a play maker.
He's not the exception, he's the rule. Here are the top 10 RB's this year
10. Ryan Matthews....1st round
9. Steven Jackson...1st round
8. Willis McGahee...1st round
7. Marshawn Lynch...1st round
6. Frank Gore...3rd round
5. Arian Foster...undrafted
4. Lesaun McCoy...2nd round
3. Micheal Turner....5th round
2. Ray Rice....2nd round
1. MoJO....2nd round
Then take it a step further and see which teams with the top running backs that are in the divisional playoffs...4 out of the 8 teams have top 10 RB's. Rice, Foster, Lynch and Gore.
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Now take the QB position in the NFL and we'll see the importance of taking a 1st round QB well above any sort of RB.
10. Ben Rothlesberger...1st round pick
9. Alex Smith....1st round pick
8. Matt Ryan...1st round
7. Eli Manning...1st round
6. Matt Shaub....3rd round
5. Matthew Stafford....1st round
4. Tony Romo....undrafted
3. Tom Brady...5th round
2. Drew Brees...2nd round
1. Aaron Rogers...1st round
Now take the teams in the divisional playoffs that have a top 10 QB. 7 out of the 8 teams have top 10 QB's.
This is proof that QB's rule the league. You need a top 10 QB and more often than not, they are drafted in the 1st round.
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Now take the QB position in the NFL and we'll see the importance of taking a 1st round QB well above any sort of RB.
10. Ben Rothlesberger...1st round pick
9. Alex Smith....1st round pick
8. Matt Ryan...1st round
7. Eli Manning...1st round
6. Matt Shaub....3rd round
5. Matthew Stafford....1st round
4. Tony Romo....undrafted
3. Tom Brady...5th round
2. Drew Brees...2nd round
1. Aaron Rogers...1st round
Now take the teams in the divisional playoffs that have a top 10 QB. 7 out of the 8 teams have top 10 QB's.
This is proof that QB's rule the league. You need a top 10 QB and more often than not, they are drafted in the 1st round.
jparsh said:
Now take the QB position in the NFL and we'll see the importance of taking a 1st round QB well above any sort of RB.
10. Ben Rothlesberger...1st round pick
9. Alex Smith....1st round pick
8. Matt Ryan...1st round
7. Eli Manning...1st round
6. Matt Shaub....3rd round
5. Matthew Stafford....1st round
4. Tony Romo....undrafted
3. Tom Brady...5th round
2. Drew Brees...2nd round
1. Aaron Rogers...1st round
Now take the teams in the divisional playoffs that have a top 10 QB. 7 out of the 8 teams have top 10 QB's.
This is proof that QB's rule the league. You need a top 10 QB and more often than not, they are drafted in the 1st round.
The only elite QBs on this list are Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Manning is the only QB that was a top 10 pick and 2 of the 5 were not drafted in the 1st round. That tells me picking a QB in the early in the 1st round can work but is definitely not the only way to get a franchise QB. Plus the sample size is so small it's hard to draw too many conclusions..
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jparsh said:
Now take the QB position in the NFL and we'll see the importance of taking a 1st round QB well above any sort of RB.
10. Ben Rothlesberger...1st round pick
9. Alex Smith....1st round pick
8. Matt Ryan...1st round
7. Eli Manning...1st round
6. Matt Shaub....3rd round
5. Matthew Stafford....1st round
4. Tony Romo....undrafted
3. Tom Brady...5th round
2. Drew Brees...2nd round
1. Aaron Rogers...1st round
Now take the teams in the divisional playoffs that have a top 10 QB. 7 out of the 8 teams have top 10 QB's.
This is proof that QB's rule the league. You need a top 10 QB and more often than not, they are drafted in the 1st round.
The only elite QBs on this list are Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Manning is the only QB that was a top 10 pick and 2 of the 5 were not drafted in the 1st round. That tells me picking a QB in the early in the 1st round can work but is definitely not the only way to get a franchise QB. Plus the sample size is so small it's hard to draw too many conclusions..
The only elite QBs on this list are Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Manning is the only QB that was a top 10 pick and 2 of the 5 were not drafted in the 1st round. That tells me picking a QB in the early in the 1st round can work but is definitely not the only way to get a franchise QB. Plus the sample size is so small it's hard to draw too many conclusions..
To use the word elite leaves things open to interpretation. I'm going by pure facts of this years stats. And the sample size is the top 10 QB's out of 32. How many do you wish I provide?
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The only elite QBs on this list are Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Manning is the only QB that was a top 10 pick and 2 of the 5 were not drafted in the 1st round. That tells me picking a QB in the early in the 1st round can work but is definitely not the only way to get a franchise QB. Plus the sample size is so small it's hard to draw too many conclusions..
To use the word elite leaves things open to interpretation. I'm going by pure facts of this years stats. And the sample size is the top 10 QB's out of 32. How many do you wish I provide?
jparsh said:
To use the word elite leaves things open to interpretation. I'm going by pure facts of this years stats. And the sample size is the top 10 QB's out of 32. How many do you wish I provide?
Well you keep saying "top 10." Top 10 in what: yards? touchdowns? QBR? TD to INT ratio? Plus you only include this year's stats. If you are going to make a blanket statement, you need a larger sample size. So you need to include more years in your analysis and state what stats you are using to come to your conclusions. Everything is too vague.
The QB position is clearly the most important in the game. I'm not disputing that. But you give the QBs all the credit and ignore all the great playmakers they have to work with. Super Bowl caliber teams have a franchise QB surrounded by good WRs, RBs, OL and a great defense. There are few exceptions. And just like the QB can be measured using several different stats, so can the defense: takeaways, yards allowed, ect.
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jparsh said:
To use the word elite leaves things open to interpretation. I'm going by pure facts of this years stats. And the sample size is the top 10 QB's out of 32. How many do you wish I provide?
Well you keep saying "top 10." Top 10 in what: yards? touchdowns? QBR? TD to INT ratio? Plus you only include this year's stats. If you are going to make a blanket statement, you need a larger sample size. So you need to include more years in your analysis and state what stats you are using to come to your conclusions. Everything is too vague.
The QB position is clearly the most important in the game. I'm not disputing that. But you give the QBs all the credit and ignore all the great playmakers they have to work with. Super Bowl caliber teams have a franchise QB surrounded by good WRs, RBs, OL and a great defense. There are few exceptions. And just like the QB can be measured using several different stats, so can the defense: takeaways, yards allowed, ect.
Well you keep saying "top 10." Top 10 in what: yards? touchdowns? QBR? TD to INT ratio? Plus you only include this year's stats. If you are going to make a blanket statement, you need a larger sample size. So you need to include more years in your analysis and state what stats you are using to come to your conclusions. Everything is too vague.
The QB position is clearly the most important in the game. I'm not disputing that. But you give the QBs all the credit and ignore all the great playmakers they have to work with. Super Bowl caliber teams have a franchise QB surrounded by good WRs, RBs, OL and a great defense. There are few exceptions. And just like the QB can be measured using several different stats, so can the defense: takeaways, yards allowed, ect.
I used QB rating. That is the end all be all of a quarterbacks performance.
Well, I went back to last year and the only names that are different in the top 10 are:
Rivers...1st round pick
Vick (POS)....1st round pick
Freeman....1st round pick
Flacco....1st round pick
Cassell....7th round
Peyton manning...1st round pick
So last year there were more 1st round picks in the top 10.
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Well you keep saying "top 10." Top 10 in what: yards? touchdowns? QBR? TD to INT ratio? Plus you only include this year's stats. If you are going to make a blanket statement, you need a larger sample size. So you need to include more years in your analysis and state what stats you are using to come to your conclusions. Everything is too vague.
The QB position is clearly the most important in the game. I'm not disputing that. But you give the QBs all the credit and ignore all the great playmakers they have to work with. Super Bowl caliber teams have a franchise QB surrounded by good WRs, RBs, OL and a great defense. There are few exceptions. And just like the QB can be measured using several different stats, so can the defense: takeaways, yards allowed, ect.
I used QB rating. That is the end all be all of a quarterbacks performance.
Well, I went back to last year and the only names that are different in the top 10 are:
Rivers...1st round pick
Vick (POS)....1st round pick
Freeman....1st round pick
Flacco....1st round pick
Cassell....7th round
Peyton manning...1st round pick
So last year there were more 1st round picks in the top 10.
jparsh said:
I used QB rating. That is the end all be all of a quarterbacks performance.
Well, I went back to last year and the only names that are different in the top 10 are:
Rivers...1st round pick
Vick (POS)....1st round pick
Freeman....1st round pick
Flacco....1st round pick
Cassell....7th round
Peyton manning...1st round pick
So last year there were more 1st round picks in the top 10.
Such an "end all-be all" statistic that ESPN had to invent a new one, right?
The passer rating is garbage. The Total QBR, while being slightly better than the passer rating, is still garbage. Neither stat are end all be all ways of measuring QB's.
A QB who goes 30-30 for 1000 yards and 0 TD's has the exact same rating as a QB who goes 1-1 for 1 yard and a TD. And neither of those ratings are close to perfect.
It's a flawed system.
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jparsh said:
I used QB rating. That is the end all be all of a quarterbacks performance.
Well, I went back to last year and the only names that are different in the top 10 are:
Rivers...1st round pick
Vick (POS)....1st round pick
Freeman....1st round pick
Flacco....1st round pick
Cassell....7th round
Peyton manning...1st round pick
So last year there were more 1st round picks in the top 10.
Such an "end all-be all" statistic that ESPN had to invent a new one, right?
The passer rating is garbage. The Total QBR, while being slightly better than the passer rating, is still garbage. Neither stat are end all be all ways of measuring QB's.
A QB who goes 30-30 for 1000 yards and 0 TD's has the exact same rating as a QB who goes 1-1 for 1 yard and a TD. And neither of those ratings are close to perfect.
It's a flawed system.
Such an "end all-be all" statistic that ESPN had to invent a new one, right?
The passer rating is garbage. The Total QBR, while being slightly better than the passer rating, is still garbage. Neither stat are end all be all ways of measuring QB's.
A QB who goes 30-30 for 1000 yards and 0 TD's has the exact same rating as a QB who goes 1-1 for 1 yard and a TD. And neither of those ratings are close to perfect.
It's a flawed system.
It's better than being able to take stats out of context. And the last time I checked, to make certain lists you have to meet minimum criteria. Much like in basketball where a leader in 3pt % has to have X number of attempts to count. So your sorry excuse for a counter doesn't really hold any weight. QB rating adds together attempts/completions/yards/TD's/INT's That encompasses everything, in other words, perfect system.
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So you're telling me that if the minimum requirement of attempts is 5, and a QB that goes 4 for 4 for 400 yards and 4 TDs every game but has a less than perfect rating is a worse QB than one who goes 15 for 20 for 200 yards and 2 TDs with the exact same TOP?
That's why nobody respects you. Because you're a fucking idiot.
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So you're telling me that if the minimum requirement of attempts is 5, and a QB that goes 4 for 4 for 400 yards and 4 TDs every game but has a less than perfect rating is a worse QB than one who goes 15 for 20 for 200 yards and 2 TDs with the exact same TOP?
That's why nobody respects you. Because you're a fucking idiot.
So you're telling me that if the minimum requirement of attempts is 5, and a QB that goes 4 for 4 for 400 yards and 4 TDs every game but has a less than perfect rating is a worse QB than one who goes 15 for 20 for 200 yards and 2 TDs with the exact same TOP?
That's why nobody respects you. Because you're a fucking idiot.
Hey dumbshit, is the minimum 5 attempts??? They set the minimum based on the average attempts of the other players. So if the other players averaged around 5 passes, then it would all be relative. It's not rocket science. I'd hate to see you become anything when you grow up, that would be scary to think that you'd be in charge of anything above bagging my rootbeer at the grocery store.
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