Newt
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>>It drives you nuts that you can't say things like "black people need a lesson on work and responsibility" because you think that's true, not racist. And you feel like if you could only get that truth out there, blacks would be better off, instead of being coddled by liberals. Even though your knowledge of black America comes from music videos, and the only black leaders you can name are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.>>
Just to be fair and balanced, Bill Cosby is a pretty smart fellow - Phd from UMASS and all - and he believes much of what you stated in your hypothetical quote.
If memory serves me correctly, Obama also called out black fathers to be more responsible and actually be with their family and serve as role models.
Like I said before, many people like to shoot the messanger regardless of the message. Using different words - but saying, essentially the same thing - can be more effective, depending on your desired outcome.
Of course, I suppose much of the black community considers Cosby to be an Uncle Tom.
Sad.
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I think it's fair to expect anyone prominent in any group to want to set a good example.
ESpecially in cases where there has been historic prejudice.
WSS
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Why, if not for racial purposes, would one wanna say food stamp president?
Because despite the promises of hope and change ( yes there were promises) things still suck.
now is that all the president's fault?
Probably not.
Did the people he inspired during the campaign realize that it was just bullshit to get elected?
Probably not.
So now after three years most of which with a veto proof majority we have...
not much.
So in place of the prosperity that his acolytes expected there are excuses and yes, food stamps.
And now we are in campaign mode.
That's exactly how you'd go after him if you were the other sides campaign manager.
But as always it's easier to call everybody racist than to face up to a failed economic policy.
WSS
Why, if not for racial purposes, would one wanna say food stamp president?
Because despite the promises of hope and change ( yes there were promises) things still suck.
now is that all the president's fault?
Probably not.
Did the people he inspired during the campaign realize that it was just bullshit to get elected?
Probably not.
So now after three years most of which with a veto proof majority we have...
not much.
So in place of the prosperity that his acolytes expected there are excuses and yes, food stamps.
And now we are in campaign mode.
That's exactly how you'd go after him if you were the other sides campaign manager.
But as always it's easier to call everybody racist than to face up to a failed economic policy.
WSS
First of all, Obama NEVER had a veto-proof majority. Get your facts straight. You need 2/3rds of the members of Congress to override a veto. That's 290 in the House and 67 in the Senate. Obama never had that in either house.
You want to retract that?
And the rest of it is just bunk with blinders on. If you can't see what Newt is going for with the food stamps and the NAACP and the "if liberals don't like it..." than God bless you, Virginia.
And we're having a discussion, Steve, about something in particular. If you'd like to have a discussion about the economy, fine. I've seen no evidence that you know the slightest thing about it - no one who is being fair would call it a "failed economic policy," which is a political statement - but if you want to do that, fine. But that's not what we're talking about.
You're not bullshitting on CNN, buddy. It's not like we have 30 seconds and you're trying to stay on message. "My opponent just wants to distract the nation from Obama's failed economic policy."
It doesn't get more hacky than that.
And if it makes you feel better, obviously I am saying that what Gingrich is saying is a play on the racial resentment of white Republican voters. I've said that a few times. I know you think that I'm supposed to shrink when you say "race card" or "calling someone a racist", but that's the whole point of what I'm saying - he's playing to racial prejudices.
Or as David Brooks wrote this week, "I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return."
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I think it's fair to expect anyone prominent in any group to want to set a good example.
ESpecially in cases where there has been historic prejudice.
WSS
I think it's fair to expect anyone prominent in any group to want to set a good example.
ESpecially in cases where there has been historic prejudice.
WSS
Me too. Are you saying that's what Newt's doing?
I'm saying that's not what he's doing. And that it's obvious that's not what he's doing. He's poking a finger in people's eyes because that's what the voters on the right want to see.
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And hey, if it makes you feel better, ABC News has nothing new in this interview. It'll hurt him because it brings it all up again, and puts a face to it, but it's nothing we didn't already know.
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Okay he never had 2 thirds.
My bad.
Then again you don't need 2 thirds to pass budgetary matters.
Or nationalized healthcare for that matter.
WSS
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And hey, if it makes you feel better, ABC News has nothing new in this interview. It'll hurt him because it brings it all up again, and puts a face to it, but it's nothing we didn't already know.
And hey, if it makes you feel better, ABC News has nothing new in this interview. It'll hurt him because it brings it all up again, and puts a face to it, but it's nothing we didn't already know.
But that's not the point.
The point is to remind everybody right before the primary!
Nothing hacky about that huh?
WSS
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Okay he never had 2 thirds.
My bad.
Then again you don't need 2 thirds to pass budgetary matters.
Or nationalized healthcare for that matter.
WSS
Okay he never had 2 thirds.
My bad.
Then again you don't need 2 thirds to pass budgetary matters.
Or nationalized healthcare for that matter.
WSS
He didn't even have a filibuster-proof majority. And health care wasn't nationalized. But cheers on the retraction.
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And hey, if it makes you feel better, ABC News has nothing new in this interview. It'll hurt him because it brings it all up again, and puts a face to it, but it's nothing we didn't already know.
But that's not the point.
The point is to remind everybody right before the primary!
Nothing hacky about that huh?
WSS
But that's not the point.
The point is to remind everybody right before the primary!
Nothing hacky about that huh?
WSS
I don't know the genesis of how the interview came to be, who approached who, so I don't know and I don't think you do either. It's certainly newsworthy and they'd run it if it were a Democrat, and did. (Remember Gennifer Flowers?) But I think, for the reason you mentioned, conservatives will see this as a liberal media attack on Gingrich right before the primary and it will either not hurt him or actually help him by rallying the troops.
There really isn't anything new in there except her saying it on camera instead of in print. Plus, I assure you that right now Gingrich and his top staff are preparing a chunk for the debate that will have three beats: I'm a sinner and I'm not perfect, I asked for forgiveness from God and my family, and despite the liberal media's timing and intention to turn this into a media circus I will not say anything negative about Marianne, who is the mother of my children, so suck it. (Pause for applause.)
Sinner, God, doesn't the liberal media suck.
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One thing I'd ask you is if Newt's megalomania frightens you at all. He really is a unique character. When you look at some of the stuff he's said and written about himself, the self-regard, the belief that the rules don't apply to him, the fact that even his own staff used to refer to him as a sociopath, does that give you pause?
The guy who says stuff like this:
"I have an enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I'm doing it...Oh, this is just the beginning of a 20-or-30-year movement. I'll get credit for it."
Or writes this down - about himself:
"Gingrich--primary mission: advocate of civilization, definer of civilization, teacher of the rules of civilization, arouser of those who fan civilization, organizer of the pro-civilization activists, leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces."
And try to answer without saying the exact same thing is true of Obama, and not making distinction between two different people with two different personalities, because I could write that post for you I've seen it so many times.
And look, it doesn't matter because Newt's not going to be president. I'm just asking you. Don't you think the guy is a little, well, off?
I mean, I think Mitt Romney is a total phony and his ambition is a little frightening, but I don't worry about his mental stability. That's why I like him - because I think he's calm and rational and mostly evidence-based once an election is over. Whereas I think Gingrich probably suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.
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He didn't even have a filibuster-proof majority egg-sucking weasel hatemonger Heck
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Heck, you are stinking up this forum with your partisan denial.
More people are on food stamps now, than ever before in our history.
Obamao has no interest in fixing problems. He wants to use them for emotional Heck style
belligerent manipulation for more votes.
Otherwise, he would never have done all the stupid ass things he's done.
Like, most recently, turning down the pipeline because he "only had 60 days)...
that didn't run out until late Feb.
The dirtbag hatemonger in our White House needs to go.
He has failed, and failed completely, in being the "intelligent, charming, bringer of all of us together,
fix unemployment, make us more respected in the world"...
instead, he's been found out to have been a fraud, and an empty suit all along.
Even on the pipeline, he was really voting "present".
The totally dishonest blaming of Obamao's failed policies on Bush, or the Tea Party, is stupid ass.
That's you, Heck. You aren't honest enough to stop your bs, and actually criticize Obamao objectively.
Liberals never can. That would require thinking, and you liberals "feel" instead of analyzing.
BTW, I believe you most certainly did say something like "I do this for a living"... If I'm right,
what the freakin were you referring to?
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One thing I'd ask you is if Newt's megalomania frightens you at all. He really is a unique character. When you look at some of the stuff he's said and written about himself, the self-regard, the belief that the rules don't apply to him, the fact that even his own staff used to refer to him as a sociopath, does that give you pause?
The guy who says stuff like this:
"I have an enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I'm doing it...Oh, this is just the beginning of a 20-or-30-year movement. I'll get credit for it."
Or writes this down - about himself:
"Gingrich--primary mission: advocate of civilization, definer of civilization, teacher of the rules of civilization, arouser of those who fan civilization, organizer of the pro-civilization activists, leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces."
And try to answer without saying the exact same thing is true of Obama, and not making distinction between two different people with two different personalities, because I could write that post for you I've seen it so many times.
And look, it doesn't matter because Newt's not going to be president. I'm just asking you. Don't you think the guy is a little, well, off?
I mean, I think Mitt Romney is a total phony and his ambition is a little frightening, but I don't worry about his mental stability. That's why I like him - because I think he's calm and rational and mostly evidence-based once an election is over. Whereas I think Gingrich probably suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.
"I have an enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I'm doing it...Oh, this is just the beginning of a 20-or-30-year movement. I'll get credit for it."
Yeah you are really enlightening the whole world and we are supposed to be impressed? Sorry hippy nobody buys your BS.
Meanwhile lets look at the double standard of ABC who wasn't interested in the John Edwards story about him cheating on his cancer stricken wife. But some BS from Newt's ex-wife is somthing they think is big time news story. When was the last time ABC ever ran a story investigating any or all of Obama's crooked ways?
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But that's not the point.
The point is to remind everybody right before the primary!
Nothing hacky about that huh?
WSS
I don't know the genesis of how the interview came to be, who approached who, so I don't know and I don't think you do either. It's certainly newsworthy and they'd run it if it were a Democrat, and did. (Remember Gennifer Flowers?) But I think, for the reason you mentioned, conservatives will see this as a liberal media attack on Gingrich right before the primary and it will either not hurt him or actually help him by rallying the troops.
There really isn't anything new in there except her saying it on camera instead of in print. Plus, I assure you that right now Gingrich and his top staff are preparing a chunk for the debate that will have three beats: I'm a sinner and I'm not perfect, I asked for forgiveness from God and my family, and despite the liberal media's timing and intention to turn this into a media circus I will not say anything negative about Marianne, who is the mother of my children, so suck it. (Pause for applause.)
Sinner, God, doesn't the liberal media suck.
I don't know the genesis of how the interview came to be, who approached who, so I don't know and I don't think you do either.
Right.
I'm sure it was a big coincidence.
Now who's 12?
Sinner, God, doesn't the liberal media suck.
True dat.
WSS
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What I'm saying is that she might have approached them. If she does that, and offers to speak on camera about Newt for the first time, of course they're going to run it.
Contrary to what you think, this isn't some plot designed to sink Newt. It's a plot to make news and to get ratings. After all, if you're a Democrat super secret spy journalist, like they ALL are, you want Newt to be the nominee. This is the guy you want to face. Because Obama will clean his clock.
Plus, this is going to help Newt, not hurt him.
I would also agree that the fact that this was the first question asked in the debate is sort of pathetic, and Gingrich is half-right, though that was quite a performance. Like I said, he knows what you guys want to hear.
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One thing I'd ask you is if Newt's megalomania frightens you at all. He really is a unique character. When you look at some of the stuff he's said and written about himself, the self-regard, the belief that the rules don't apply to him, the fact that even his own staff used to refer to him as a sociopath, does that give you pause?
The guy who says stuff like this:
"I have an enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I'm doing it...Oh, this is just the beginning of a 20-or-30-year movement. I'll get credit for it."
Or writes this down - about himself:
"Gingrich--primary mission: advocate of civilization, definer of civilization, teacher of the rules of civilization, arouser of those who fan civilization, organizer of the pro-civilization activists, leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces."
And try to answer without saying the exact same thing is true of Obama, and not making distinction between two different people with two different personalities, because I could write that post for you I've seen it so many times.
And look, it doesn't matter because Newt's not going to be president. I'm just asking you. Don't you think the guy is a little, well, off?
I mean, I think Mitt Romney is a total phony and his ambition is a little frightening, but I don't worry about his mental stability. That's why I like him - because I think he's calm and rational and mostly evidence-based once an election is over. Whereas I think Gingrich probably suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.
One thing I'd ask you is if Newt's megalomania frightens you at all. He really is a unique character. When you look at some of the stuff he's said and written about himself, the self-regard, the belief that the rules don't apply to him, the fact that even his own staff used to refer to him as....
That's a fair question.
I've already said I've had my misgivings.
What I've got a little more time I'll get to some of them, okay?
But one thing we all seem to miss on occasion is why we even bother to vote.
If it's just to elect the front runner then why bother?
Or is it just to advance a particular party?
or an agenda?
Just going with the front runner reminds me of the guy with dallas green bay niners steelers and patriots jerseys hanging in his closet.
WSS
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I agree completely. I hate that argument - the "rally around the frontrunner" nonsense. That makes more sense in the general election. But in the primaries? You vote for who you want to see on the ticket, even if they're polling at 5%.
As for Newt, I don't think he's got the right personality for a president. But I don't begrudge you your choice. Those four are pretty lousy choices, and I think they all lose to Obama. A European collapse, or another event, could change everything of course.
I just think the country would be far better off under Romney than Gingrich. Gingrich has a real contempt for people he'd be representing, and expresses it willingly. It's like he's running to be a talk radio host, not a president.
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Obamao has a real contempt for people he's supposed to be representing, and expresses it willingly.
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I'm looking for a Santorum/Gingrich ticket.
They would win.
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I think our system of government itself has contempt for the people.
rightly so in many cases.
WSS
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Santorum / Gingrich ticket?
The guy that equated homosexuality to beastiality and the guy that left his ill wife for his mistress, twice.
Good luck getting moderate/independent votes.
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