Scot Pioli's surgery?
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Give em time ghoolie sadly many still live in lerners happy little make belief nutsack world and havent figured it out yet...on this board some get offended by desenting yet often true views shared by many fans outside of the city of clevelands media brainwash machine..
Nothing is the same as it was ghoolie..nothing or nobody is as vocal or outspoken as they once where cleveland is a dying town with a wretched football team owned by what appears to be a wreched owner..give em time ghoolie they will figure it out eventually..then all hell will break loose..
Im all for watching randy bring his yes men in that share his dellusional football philosophy and watching the browns improve juuuuust enough to get the fans believing again and then wipe the board clean and start again as a browns fan thats what i live for now...
Give em time ghoolie sadly many still live in lerners happy little make belief nutsack world and havent figured it out yet...on this board some get offended by desenting yet often true views shared by many fans outside of the city of clevelands media brainwash machine..
Nothing is the same as it was ghoolie..nothing or nobody is as vocal or outspoken as they once where cleveland is a dying town with a wretched football team owned by what appears to be a wreched owner..give em time ghoolie they will figure it out eventually..then all hell will break loose..
Figure what out? That the team is shit? That Lerner doesn't have a xxxxing clue?
Please, enlighten us: What we can do about it, oh great ones? What's that? You're still supporting the Browns? Buying the gear, tickets, attending games, watching them on TV (they get revenue when you watch). Then you are PART of the problem. Until you stop watching them and supporting them, you are part of the problem.
We have no input into the decision-making process - it's not our team; not 'our' money (even though it is).
Some of us choose to display some optimism that Lerner isn't trying to run the team into the ground on purpose. So sue us. We can't make him sell the team to someone else.
What hell is going to break loose? Is an angry mob going to go and lynch Randy? Are they going to burn CLE down?
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Give em time ghoolie sadly many still live in lerners happy little make belief nutsack world and havent figured it out yet...on this board some get offended by desenting yet often true views shared by many fans outside of the city of clevelands media brainwash machine..
Nothing is the same as it was ghoolie..nothing or nobody is as vocal or outspoken as they once where cleveland is a dying town with a wretched football team owned by what appears to be a wreched owner..give em time ghoolie they will figure it out eventually..then all hell will break loose..
Figure what out? That the team is shit? That Lerner doesn't have a xxxxing clue?
Please, enlighten us: What we can do about it, oh great ones? What's that? You're still supporting the Browns? Buying the gear, tickets, attending games, watching them on TV (they get revenue when you watch). Then you are PART of the problem. Until you stop watching them and supporting them, you are part of the problem.
We have no input into the decision-making process - it's not our team; not 'our' money (even though it is).
Some of us choose to display some optimism that Lerner isn't trying to run the team into the ground on purpose. So sue us. We can't make him sell the team to someone else.
What hell is going to break loose? Is an angry mob going to go and lynch Randy? Are they going to burn CLE down?
Figure what out? That the team is shit? That Lerner doesn't have a xxxxing clue?
Please, enlighten us: What we can do about it, oh great ones? What's that? You're still supporting the Browns? Buying the gear, tickets, attending games, watching them on TV (they get revenue when you watch). Then you are PART of the problem. Until you stop watching them and supporting them, you are part of the problem.
We have no input into the decision-making process - it's not our team; not 'our' money (even though it is).
Some of us choose to display some optimism that Lerner isn't trying to run the team into the ground on purpose. So sue us. We can't make him sell the team to someone else.
What hell is going to break loose? Is an angry mob going to go and lynch Randy? Are they going to burn CLE down?
Im just trying to help ghoolie understand that we know whats going on but what can we do about it?
Ive only attended 7 home games since the expansion and 12 away but i still shamefully buy gear(and wear it)(humiliating as it is here in titan/bengal country)
My thoughts on lerner are he is doing the best he can but it looks like deja vu all over again i dont think he wants to intentionally sink the team it was his father that wanted that i just want the browns to play real and consistant football again hire the right people and build but randys very ermm unique way of thinking seems to impeed this from happening its his way or no way so we go nowhere..
10 years of lerner ran browns has pretty much ended my optimism that randy can turn it around but i try to be hopeful but i keep seeing things develop that are all to familiar and yes the fans if organized enough can force the nfl to re-evaluate lerner especially as a guy who inherited the team just like they won to keep the colors and history which is all we have now...cleveland fans have that kind of power they just forgot about it thats all..
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Figure what out? That the team is shit? That Lerner doesn't have a xxxxing clue?
Please, enlighten us: What we can do about it, oh great ones? What's that? You're still supporting the Browns? Buying the gear, tickets, attending games, watching them on TV (they get revenue when you watch). Then you are PART of the problem. Until you stop watching them and supporting them, you are part of the problem.
We have no input into the decision-making process - it's not our team; not 'our' money (even though it is).
Some of us choose to display some optimism that Lerner isn't trying to run the team into the ground on purpose. So sue us. We can't make him sell the team to someone else.
What hell is going to break loose? Is an angry mob going to go and lynch Randy? Are they going to burn CLE down?
Im just trying to help ghoolie understand that we know whats going on but what can we do about it?
Ive only attended 7 home games since the expansion and 12 away but i still shamefully buy gear(and wear it)(humiliating as it is here in titan/bengal country)
My thoughts on lerner are he is doing the best he can but it looks like deja vu all over again i dont think he wants to intentionally sink the team it was his father that wanted that i just want the browns to play real and consistant football again hire the right people and build but randys very ermm unique way of thinking seems to impeed this from happening its his way or no way so we go nowhere..
10 years of lerner ran browns has pretty much ended my optimism that randy can turn it around but i try to be hopeful but i keep seeing things develop that are all to familiar and yes the fans if organized enough can force the nfl to re-evaluate lerner especially as a guy who inherited the team just like they won to keep the colors and history which is all we have now...cleveland fans have that kind of power they just forgot about it thats all..
Im just trying to help ghoolie understand that we know whats going on but what can we do about it?
Ive only attended 7 home games since the expansion and 12 away but i still shamefully buy gear(and wear it)(humiliating as it is here in titan/bengal country)
My thoughts on lerner are he is doing the best he can but it looks like deja vu all over again i dont think he wants to intentionally sink the team it was his father that wanted that i just want the browns to play real and consistant football again hire the right people and build but randys very ermm unique way of thinking seems to impeed this from happening its his way or no way so we go nowhere..
10 years of lerner ran browns has pretty much ended my optimism that randy can turn it around but i try to be hopeful but i keep seeing things develop that are all to familiar and yes the fans if organized enough can force the nfl to re-evaluate lerner especially as a guy who inherited the team just like they won to keep the colors and history which is all we have now...cleveland fans have that kind of power they just forgot about it thats all..
I'm with you there, but I just can't quit it yet. It's like drugs. Just one more time.
I really think this is it for Lerner - the fans have had it, and this hire better be the right one. We're different than other expansion cities in that we had a team for a long time that left town and wasn't gone that long before returning. Many of us remember what it used to be like, and, even in the bad times, it was never like *this*.
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Can I request that you stop making useless threads?
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His taking no's for answers is a mirror image of his team's lack of ability to get the job done.
What a pussy.
So on the one hand you think he is stupid and doesn't know what the fook he is doing, and on the other you say he should be more forceful with his ideas and push the issues he believes in? So you think Lerner should force the people who know more than he does to do it his way?
Dude, take your meds. You need them.
So on the one hand you think he is stupid and doesn't know what the fook he is doing, and on the other you say he should be more forceful with his ideas and push the issues he believes in? So you think Lerner should force the people who know more than he does to do it his way?
Dude, take your meds. You need them.
Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
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So on the one hand you think he is stupid and doesn't know what the fook he is doing, and on the other you say he should be more forceful with his ideas and push the issues he believes in? So you think Lerner should force the people who know more than he does to do it his way?
Dude, take your meds. You need them.
Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
Was Dimitroff a coffee fetcher? He worked under Pioli/BB, and was hired by Pioli in NE. Now turned around ATL.
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The choice foe GM is easy ... Is Lerner really that stupid?
it should be, Bernie Kosar.
The entire city of Cleveland should be leveled. The dumbest of all football fans.
Give the job to someone who has fire and passion for the Browns. You gonna tell me Sewage is a better choice?
Clevelnd is the city of idiots.
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Oh, and Ghoolie, explain to me this "coffee fetchers"
Thomas Dimitroff, Falcons GM......hired by Pioli in NE, worked under Pioli in NE's scouting department, and now has the Falcons in the playoffs. No experience as GM, and by your account, would have been a coffee fetcher for BB.
While I am not sold on Pioli, I certainly don't buy that everyone in NE just fetches coffee for BB.
Masters said:
Oh, and Ghoolie, explain to me this "coffee fetchers"Thomas Dimitroff, Falcons GM......hired by Pioli in NE, worked under Pioli in NE's scouting department, and now has the Falcons in the playoffs. No experience as GM, and by your account, would have been a coffee fetcher for BB.
While I am not sold on Pioli, I certainly don't buy that everyone in NE just fetches coffee for BB.
So your definition of success is to get in the playoffs? Sewage got to the playoffs, so what? How tuff is that division?
Atlanta has beaten who? Accomplished what? By your measure, this is just an off year for the Browns and Sewage should be retained. HE got them to the playoffs, didn't he? I mean the Browns don't want no stinking division championships, and SB wins, do they?
Dimitroff Blows. Pioli Blows. This is a chain of evolution that won't accomplish crap.
Atlanta? ROTFLMAO. Atlanta......... GRRRRRrrrrrreat success sotry there.
Pioi won't amount to crap when he has to stand on his own. He will find out when he has to make a decision, Belichik won't pick up the phone.
Why is it that Ozzie didn't make a counter offer to Sewage? Why is it Belichik gave Crennell his blessing and didn't try to keep this "great" football mind.
People who work for tyrants are yes men.
Belichik WAS important to Parcells, so much so that they promoted him to ASSISTANT HC and paid him more than some Head Coaches.
Pioli is garbage.
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Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
They also made Bill b Assistant head coach, paying him MORE than some Head Coaches were making.
Parcells fought to keep Bill.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
When Bill B left? No more Parcells SBs.
Sewage left? Baltimore started winning again.
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Masters said:
Oh, and Ghoolie, explain to me this "coffee fetchers"Thomas Dimitroff, Falcons GM......hired by Pioli in NE, worked under Pioli in NE's scouting department, and now has the Falcons in the playoffs. No experience as GM, and by your account, would have been a coffee fetcher for BB.
While I am not sold on Pioli, I certainly don't buy that everyone in NE just fetches coffee for BB.
So your definition of success is to get in the playoffs? Sewage got to the playoffs, so what? How tuff is that division?
Atlanta has beaten who? Accomplished what? By your measure, this is just an off year for the Browns and Sewage should be retained. HE got them to the playoffs, didn't he? I mean the Browns don't want no stinking division championships, and SB wins, do they?
Dimitroff Blows. Pioli Blows. This is a chain of evolution that won't accomplish crap.
Atlanta? ROTFLMAO. Atlanta......... GRRRRRrrrrrreat success sotry there.
Pioi won't amount to crap when he has to stand on his own. He will find out when he has to make a decision, Belichik won't pick up the phone.
Why is it that Ozzie didn't make a counter offer to Sewage? Why is it Belichik gave Crennell his blessing and didn't try to keep this "great" football mind.
People who work for tyrants are yes men.
Belichik WAS important to Parcells, so much so that they promoted him to ASSISTANT HC and paid him more than some Head Coaches.
Pioli is garbage.
So your definition of success is to get in the playoffs? Sewage got to the playoffs, so what? How tuff is that division?
Atlanta has beaten who? Accomplished what? By your measure, this is just an off year for the Browns and Sewage should be retained. HE got them to the playoffs, didn't he? I mean the Browns don't want no stinking division championships, and SB wins, do they?
Dimitroff Blows. Pioli Blows. This is a chain of evolution that won't accomplish crap.
Atlanta? ROTFLMAO. Atlanta......... GRRRRRrrrrrreat success sotry there.
Pioi won't amount to crap when he has to stand on his own. He will find out when he has to make a decision, Belichik won't pick up the phone.
Why is it that Ozzie didn't make a counter offer to Sewage? Why is it Belichik gave Crennell his blessing and didn't try to keep this "great" football mind.
People who work for tyrants are yes men.
Belichik WAS important to Parcells, so much so that they promoted him to ASSISTANT HC and paid him more than some Head Coaches.
Pioli is garbage.
Getting to the playoffs in your first year, with a rookie HC and QB is success. All the while getting people to forget about Vick. Guy dropped Hall and grabbed Turner.
When did Savage get to the playoffs? I missed that.
How tough is ATL division, well the worst team in the division was 8-8.
ATL beat CAR during the course of the season. Along with MIN and SD, both playoff teams.
You think ATL won 11 games with a rookie HC and QB by accident?
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Hahahaha. He's my .02 on owners. Da Ghool talks about coffee fetchers. Bob Kraft is a fooking genius for hiring the guy who was a coffee fetcher for Parcells, and flopped badly in Cleveland. Name, please?
If Lerner was pushing his ideas, philosophy and money, a couple of other guys come to mind- Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
We could do even worse- like Mr. Senile in Oakland.
Even worse than that- Da Bungles. Why hire competent football people when you have relatives that need a high paying job, like his daughter in law Katie Blackburn? Sure can't fire Marvin Lewis- you'd actually have to pay him for a couple of years for doing nothing- can't let that happen. & by all means right after Marvin announces his get tough on crime deal, bring back the head criminal himself- Chris Henry.
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
You made a major error above Larry.........shame on you........as I noted two times elsewhere in the last few days...........Parcells NEVER won a single playoff game without Belichick and Belichick won three Super Bowls without Parcells..............so Billy was not exactly fetching coffee for Parcells he was spiking it witha dose of genius
Bull. Period. Parcells has turned exactly how many franchises around Rich? OTOH, Didn't see Bellyache coaching in Dallas, or Miami for that matter. BB flopped in Cleveland, in case you forgot. Let's see him succeed someplace outside of New England. I could just as easily posit it's Pioli's acumen constantly bringing in new coaching talent that makes NE tick.
That Parcells couldn't win another Super Bowl proves just how freaking hard is is to win one- you have to be not only very good but lucky too. Just ask Belicheck what it means to go 18-0 and lose the Super Bowl. Yeah, Rich a certified idiot could have been defensive coordinator for the Giants with talent like Lawrence Taylor and Leonard Marshall.
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We agree to disagree...........Bill Belichick took Cleveland to half the playoffs games the played in since 1990 and he was the last person to win a playoff game for Cleveland in 1994...........and it was against a Parcells coached team in NE..............
Meanwhile like I said Parcells NEVER won a playoff game without Belichick and that holds today afer Miami lost.............
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