Newt

[Mr. T]

For those who missed the debate here are some excerpts from Newt.

This is like a prize fight and worth watching.

[calfoxwc]

Obamao has a real contempt for people he's supposed to be representing, and expresses it willingly.

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I'm looking for a Santorum/Gingrich ticket.

They would win.

[Westside Steve]

I think our system of government itself has contempt for the people.

rightly so in many cases.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

Santorum / Gingrich ticket?

The guy that equated homosexuality to beastiality and the guy that left his ill wife for his mistress, twice.

Good luck getting moderate/independent votes.

[Westside Steve]

@mld-woody said:

Santorum / Gingrich ticket?

The guy that equated homosexuality to beastiality and the guy that left his ill wife for his mistress, twice.

Good luck getting moderate/independent votes.

Glad to see you democrats suddenly in the moral majority.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

Who said I was a Democrat?

You guys and your labeling of those that disagree with you

[Westside Steve]

@mld-woody said:

Who said I was a Democrat?

You guys and your labeling of those that disagree with you

And who says you disagree with me?

I just saw a common thread with the people you choose to attack.

You will probably find some variations in ideology here.

Bill clinton probably paved the way for marital infidelity eh?

Besides I don't think the pro gay platform is necessarily a winner.

The current president was smart enough to affect the other side during the campaign.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

True true

I just think it is a shame part of your campaign can be to NOT allow equal rights to some people.

Clinton cheating on his wife is bad, I agree, but I think leaving an ill wife with cancer to marry the mistress, twice, is worse.

Some things you can overlook, but that, that is too much.

Christians and conservatives love talking about the sanctity of marriage as a reason gays can't get married. How can anyone take him seriously when Newt wats that?

[heckofajobbrownie]

Welcome, rare sane person.

Newt's infidelities don't matter much in the grand scope of things, as Clinton's didn't either. But they do tell you something about the extreme narcissism - among other things - of the people involved, and it's going to hurt you with women voters. Clinton's escapades told you about his personal neediness and his recklessness - the guy was willing to risk his entire presidency over a blowjob. Newt's tell you more about his callousness and enormous ego issues.

Look at the polls - female voters really, really don't like Newt.

[Westside Steve]

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Welcome, rare sane person.

Newt's infidelities don't matter much in the grand scope of things, as Clinton's didn't either. But

Lest we forget the old political axiom:

"Everything before the 'but' is bullshit.

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

@westside-steve said:

Lest we forget the old political axiom:

"Everything before the 'but' is bullshit.

WSS

Not really in this case. We're not electing Newt to be our husband. We're electing him to be our president. How he cheats on his wife doesn't really tell us something anything about his position on Iran. Plus, it's a lot easier to get at his position on Iran by listening to what he says about Iran or, even better, the type of foreign policy people he surrounds himself with.

So in the grand scheme of things, for the stuff that matters, it doesn't matter. In the political realm is matters a great deal.

[MLD Woody]

Exactly.

Maybe the fact he is a narcissistic sleazeball doesn't affect his ability to lead

But the fact that he is a narcissistic sleazeball will affect his ability to get elected

[Pumpkin Eater]

Any republican ticket that has Gingrich almost guarantees a second term for Obama. The guy is a stooge.

[Mr. T]

@mld-woody said:

Maybe the fact he is a narcissistic sleazeball doesn't affect his ability to lead

But the fact that he is a narcissistic sleazeball will affect his ability to get elected

Please explain your opinion and how you got to this conclusion.

[heckofajobbrownie]

@mld-woody said:

Exactly.

Maybe the fact he is a narcissistic sleazeball doesn't affect his ability to lead

But the fact that he is a narcissistic sleazeball will affect his ability to get elected

I don't think that his narcissism is a great quality in a leader at all. I think it's a bit frightening, actually. But that doesn't have to do with his affairs so much as the clear evidence of his megalomania. He really thinks he's a historic, transformational figure, and I'm a little afraid of what he thinks he needs to do to cement his place in history.

There's a reason none of his former Republican colleagues seem to be for his candidacy, and many are speaking out against him, sometimes loudly. He was a disaster at everything after the 94 elections.

[calfoxwc]

Maybe the fact he is a narcissistic sleazeball doesn't affect his ability to lead

But the fact that he is a narcissistic sleazeball will affect his ability to get elected

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You meant to say this about Obamao, right?

If I had to pick someone to run for pres, it would be Rubio. Romney is a rhino and I want him out.

The dem libs want to use "character" as a weapon all of a sudden, because it's politically expedient.

When it was Obamao running for pres, it was NOT politically expedient.

So, there ya go.

With libs, the only principle is the one that benefits their emotionalism.

Which changes again and again. Clinton? Character didn't matter. Edwards? Character doesn't matter.

Newt? CHARACTER REALLY MATTERS .......

Experience in national leadership? Clinton/Obamao/Edwards... doesn't matter.

But Palin and Romney? EXPERIENCE IN NATIONAL LEADERSHIP MATTERS.

And back and forth they go. Whatever gets them gay marriage, murder of unborn and born children, and leglized mary jane wana @@,

thats their "principle" . Otherwise, they have no genuine belief systems. It's just attacking everything that doesn't fit. And anyone who isn't part of their "movements"

[MLD Woody]

I'm sure they could have taken their pick for how they wanted to discredit Palin lol

and you act like your party and people who think like you do NEVER take advantage of certain traits and what not to gain the upper hand, that's politics dude, lol. It is pretty damn obvious you have your blinders all the way up. Its actually really funny how you can't see the irony in so many things you say...

I know I am going to regret saying this... but what were Obama's character flaws?

Also, I might regret this too, but why is legalizing weed bad? Before you go and attack my character/intelligence, because, well you know, you're a master debater, I don't smoke weed and I don't think people should but I do have a couple close friends that do.

[calfoxwc]

Principle. Illegal drugs are a threat to society. LSD, cocaine, etc. Fringe smokie smokie? Still not good, studies show it leads to the other hard drugs.

Alcohol analogy doesn't fly -- though the abuse of it is a huge problem with some people.

And Obamao? Seriously? He falsely represented himself to get elected.

The "Fast and Furious" scandal is exploding, and so is his penchant for throwing billions and billions of

debt monies into entitlement votes to unions and the left.

I can repost Obamao bitterly accusing Bush of our national debt putting the burden on our children. But now?

He couldn't care less that he has exploded our national debt into nearly 15 TRILLION.

And 4 TRILLION was bad enough to make liberals become enraged ...

it's all unprincipled, emotional manipulation. The acquisition of local, personal, and even national power and privilege sp? by

lying one way, then the opposite way, depending on what gets you that power.

Unprincipled, extremist greed and dishonest reigns in the left.

Obamao is no more an American values president than Chavez is.

[MLD Woody]

You don't believe people are smart enough to make decisions for themselves about drugs? So you want the govt. to regulate them? I thought conservatives wanted smaller govt.?

Also, I gotta tell you I can't believe any of your facts or figures straight up. I also don't understand all these Tea Party code words like "Fast and Furious Scandal" I mean... after that whole "look at what this neurosurgeon said you can't discredit that" thread (which suspiciously ended with me calling out that source, lulz), I really have a had time believing what you think is truth, as truth.

[VaporTrail]

Social conservatives want smaller government except when it comes to telling people who they should be allowed to marry. Also, cal, could you please explain why the alcohol analogy doesn't fly? I think it certainly can be compared against marijuana. LSD, heroin, and cocaine, not so much.