Gays In The Military
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In your mind, thinking our gay and lesbian friends and family members, neighbors, what have you, are like pedophiles is normal, whereas my view that they're people just like anyone else, entitled to the same rights and privileges as every other American, is "twisted."
I'm happy not to be in your untwisted world. Your views are dinosaurs, not to mention immoral, factually incorrect, and pathetic.
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We can always turn this around and ask how many pro gay marriage people hate religion and would support laws that would censor preachers on what they say from the pulpit.
How does that stand up against the Bill of Right? Or would you suspend them as well.
We can always turn this around and ask how many pro gay marriage people hate religion and would support laws that would censor preachers on what they say from the pulpit.
How does that stand up against the Bill of Right? Or would you suspend them as well.
I don't know anyone who would support laws that deny people the ability to speak freely, whether they be religious or not. You speak nonsense. Sometimes it's religious nonsense. Do you see anyone trying to ban what you say?
No. And not only because it's unconstitutional, and we believe in the constitution. Also because the easiest way to beat people like you and Cal and Diehard is to let you all speak as loudly as possible, so people can see and hear and read for themselves the angry, noxious, backward vision for America you have.
It's why I'm always begging Cal to take all of these things he's saying and to make them as public as possible. And I beg you to do the same.
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We can always turn this around and ask how many pro gay marriage people hate religion and would support laws that would censor preachers on what they say from the pulpit.
How does that stand up against the Bill of Right? Or would you suspend them as well.
We can always turn this around and ask how many pro gay marriage people hate religion and would support laws that would censor preachers on what they say from the pulpit.
How does that stand up against the Bill of Right? Or would you suspend them as well.
I would guess its a lot less than you would imagine, unless you are talking about the preachers like the westboro baptist church.
Though I did a quick google search and found this report http://www.christianpost.com/news/more-young-people-believe-gay-marriage-compatible-with-religion-54813/
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Westboro baptist church? Those guys are a bunch of idiots and don't deserve any attention for what they do.
But why is it that a few posters are so intrigued to promote gay rights? Is this some kind of a weird fetish they have? You would think that they believed we rounded up all the gay's and placed them in concentration camps and they are here to set them free or something.
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Maybe because they're perhaps the last remaining group of Americans who are legally discriminated against because of who they are, and because of people like you.
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Maybe because they're perhaps the last remaining group of Americans who are legally discriminated against because of who they are, and because of people like you.
Maybe because they're perhaps the last remaining group of Americans who are legally discriminated against because of who they are, and because of people like you.
I do not believe that to be the case. This subject matter equals the war on poverty. You libs always need some cause to trumpet out in front of the american people and have been doing crap like this since Lyndon B. Johnson and his Great Society program that has continued to fail or fall short of your expectations.
This gay baiting agenda of yours is like any other liberal agenda.
All of you liberals will insight polls and propaganda speech in an attempt to sway opinion.
Heaven forbid that anyone would have a different opinion than Hecks on this subject.
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In this case, T, I'm thoroughly unconcerned with your gibberish because I'm 100% certain that your opinion about homosexuals dies a little more every day, and people who share my opinion grows. And the polls, if you or Cal could ever understand them, what they are, and how they work - and clearly you won't - back me up on this.
You will lose on this issue. Soon. And in the not-too-distant future others will look back on people who thought like you and think you backward and quaint, if they don't already.
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In this case, T, I'm thoroughly unconcerned with your gibberish because I'm 100% certain that your opinion about homosexuals dies a little more every day, and people who share my opinion grows. And the polls, if you or Cal could ever understand them, what they are, and how they work - and clearly you won't - back me up on this.
You will lose on this issue. Soon. And in the not-too-distant future others will look back on people who thought like you and think you backward and quaint, if they don't already.
And in the not-too-distant future others will look back on people who thought like you and think you backward and quaint, if they don't already.
I see you are still doing your best spinning this while forming the opinions of everyone. If that is the case then we are in deep trouble because the so called people that you are assuming to believe like you do are very shallow thinkers.
But if you read my post from this morning you would have to agree that most of the people who you are speaking of are in the between the ages of 19 and 29. And like I stated in that same post the majority of these young adults/kids have been raised in a single parent home and in some cases have not had the luxery of having a structered family because their parents were having to work multiple jobs to be able to keep up with the rate of inflation. Hence forth many of these kids/young adults have been in the states care since pre school or earlier. And most of us realize that is where they have been endoctrinated into political correctness.
Damn Lenin would be proud of your party!
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Yes, people who grow up in single parent households and go to school are wards of the state and have been indoctrinated by the state to believe being gay is okay, when it's not.
You're not completely batshit crazy at all.
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Yes, people who grow up in single parent households and go to school are wards of the state and have been indoctrinated by the state to believe being gay is okay, when it's not.
You're not completely batshit crazy at all.
Yes, people who grow up in single parent households and go to school are wards of the state and have been indoctrinated by the state to believe being gay is okay, when it's not.
You're not completely batshit crazy at all.
Another twisted statement from another useful idiot?
If you want to quote someone be sure that you do not misinterpret what they said. But I can see clearly that is your only defense.
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That's exactly what you said. I summarized your post accurately.
Also, T, indoctrinated is spelled with an "I", not an "E"...
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T, you're not that hard to understand. Really. It's understanding exactly what you say that makes you so comical.
And "succombe" is, oh, well. Never mind. We all make spelling mistakes sometimes.
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I take it that you're only defense is to having a spelling bee, instead of excepting the truth. It is late and I have worked all day and into the nighyt so if you cannot read the text who gives a crap? you’d think I blasphemed a major religion or something.
Getting back to the topic I picked this one out just for you Heck.
10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed
1. It Is Not Marriage
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
2. It Violates Natural Law
Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.
Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.
Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.
Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.
Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.
Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.
Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.
This is false.
First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.
Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.
In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.”
If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations.
The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:
The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality.
10. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)
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Heck, if you can't stop with the personal attacks, that should tell you that
you don't make sense with your going around in circles, and your anti-status quo
perverted emoting.
You don't like what we believe? Shove it. For what you believe/feeeel?
You can't back it up with reasoning - just some cherry picked poll,
and unfounded and uncalled for accusations.
Like T and I and others have explained... it is NOT hate.
But like I've said in the past - you libs all do the same thing with issues -
you emote, you try to marginalize any person, site, poll, and law, that
stands in the way of your garbage. You try to freeze them out, by either cutting them
out of conversations if you can, or trying to get them antagonized to where you can get them booted
off the forum, or you libs try to attack them and get them to leave.
We've all read it:
"Uneducated" ... "Short bus"..... "deranged"..... and my favorite? "you are the only one who thinks so narrow/ancient/out-of-touch"...
"redneck".... "Retard".....
You libs can't name one principle that you always believe in. Because you stances change with how you feel, and your
feelings change. Like I've said - and Obamao did too - "The deficit is devastating because it burdens our children with debt" etc etc.
That's when you emoted badly about Bush. But now, not one bad thing to say about the deficit being so much more serious because of Obama.
Nothin. So, where did that original fake sentiment go? Obamao did it. Now, he is contradicting that dramatically.
Where's the freakin beef? It's all self-serving, fringe special interest benefit for you libs - and flip flopping is you way
of continuing to think you can gain more fringe benefits.
I said all this a long time ago - and you and the rest have proven it true again and again... practically every time you all post.
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But you guys really are out of touch with the world. I'm surprised you aren't so old that you can;t even use a computer.
and did you say earlier that the only people that support gay marriage are 19-29 year olds that grew up in single parent homes? Really?.... I... I don't even know what to say
And the "It offends God" argument really doesn't matter if you can't prove there is a god.
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In what universe does heterosexual marriage depend on your ability to have children? Do we ban infertile couples from getting married? Do we not allow older Americans who are past their childbearing years to get married? Of course we do. So you can throw that argument right out.
Also, many gay couples have adopted children, or children of their own. Take my friend Jen. She and her partner have two daughters. So, if it's about the ability to bear children, can she get married now? Because she really did bear children. Seriously. I've seen them.
As for #4 - "It validates the homosexual lifestyle" - hey, yes. I'm all for government doing this. Because there's nothing wrong with someone who is homosexual, and they should have the same rights and privileges of every other American.
Validate away. Many of us already have.
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Just to be clear Heck, you are fine with the notion that homosexuality is immoral because the Bible says so. You just respectfully disagree right?
T, on the other hand says that he would assault someone who molested his grandchildren or behaved in a lewd manner in front of them, correct?
And that's what separates the two into okay and not okay am I correct?
And " you guys" would be the ones here on the board to belittle an insult those who don't support Gay marriage. Cal has never made any kind of threat so I assume your respect his opinion.
Just clarifying.
WSS
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Just to be clear Heck, you are fine with the notion that homosexuality is immoral because the Bible says so. You just respectfully disagree right?
T, on the other hand says that he would assault someone who molested his grandchildren or behaved in a lewd manner in front of them, correct?
And that's what separates the two into okay and not okay am I correct?
And " you guys" would be the ones here on the board to belittle an insult those who don't support Gay marriage. Cal has never made any kind of threat so I assume your respect his opinion.
Just clarifying.
WSS
Just to be clear Heck, you are fine with the notion that homosexuality is immoral because the Bible says so. You just respectfully disagree right?
T, on the other hand says that he would assault someone who molested his grandchildren or behaved in a lewd manner in front of them, correct?
And that's what separates the two into okay and not okay am I correct?
And " you guys" would be the ones here on the board to belittle an insult those who don't support Gay marriage. Cal has never made any kind of threat so I assume your respect his opinion.
Just clarifying.
WSS
Heck I may have posted this in the wrong thread, sorry.
Too bad most conversations devolve into this.
WSS
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I take it that you're only defense is to having a spelling bee, instead of excepting the truth. It is late and I have worked all day and into the nighyt so if you cannot read the text who gives a crap? you’d think I blasphemed a major religion or something.
Getting back to the topic I picked this one out just for you Heck.
10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed
1. It Is Not Marriage
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
2. It Violates Natural Law
Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.
Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.
Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.
Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.
Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.
Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.
Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.
This is false.
First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.
Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.
In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.”
If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations.
The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:
The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality.
10. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)
I take it that you're only defense is to having a spelling bee, instead of excepting the truth. It is late and I have worked all day and into the nighyt so if you cannot read the text who gives a crap? youd think I blasphemed a major religion or something.
Getting back to the topic I picked this one out just for you Heck.
10 Reasons Why Homosexual Marriage is Harmful and Must be Opposed
1. It Is Not Marriage
2. It Violates Natural Law
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
7. It Defeats the States Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
10. It Offends God
I was working on a very good counterpoint to everyone of these, but I realize you are dead set on your beliefs(thats ok their your beliefs), and any more arguments would be unproductive and deteriorate into more name calling.
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