2012 Nfl Draft
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Im not sold on either RGIII or Colt, but would rather give Colt another chance rather that possibly waste a top 5 pick on someone from a spread offense who could easily not be very good in the WCO.. Also, I love Blackmon, but with his lack of ideal speed, am not convinced he is the best compliment for our already not-so-speedy receivers. That being said, Id ideally trade down from the 4th pick to 6 or 8 or 9 (depending what Miami gets) and pick up another 2nd rounder (maybe we'd have to throw in a 4th rounder to get that 2nd rounder as well).
So,
1st round pick (#6-9)- Quinton Coples DE - great compliment to Sheard, solidifies the trenches on the D side. Potentially would be one of the best defensive fronts (the most important defensive corp) in the league
1st round pick (#22) - Kendall Wright WR - that speed WR we desperately need. He will open things up for Little who I have high hopes for considering he came into UNC as a RB, sat out last year, did not have an offseason, and had no deep speed threat (enter Kendall)
2nd round pick (#37) - Take an OLB (fast) or a CB (Best player available), all of us can agree that these are problem areas on defense, get a quality starter at this spot. Not sure why everyone thinks Sheldon Brown can just "move to safety" like it's no big deal, but I'd look at it if we got a promising CB here. Or DQJ and Gocong plus another speedy OLB would do for a linebacking corp for now, we need more speed overall on defense thats for sure.
2nd round pick (#39-42) - RT (or maybe RG), hopefully Steinbach comes back and takes up where he left off, thus giving us depth with Pinkston and Lauvao with another year under their belts who will fight for the RG spot. We need another quality player on the line to hopefully replace Pashos or at least provides some quality depth as a rookie WHEN he goes down. I think in the 2nd round we can find a good RT..
3rd round pick (#68) - RB (or OLB or CB), if we dont resign Hillis, we need to pick up another RB somewhere. We lack team speed so preferably a burner RB who can catch (LeMichael James?)
The rest is just a crap shoot, Id like to always pick depth on both lines with late round picks and hope someone pans out..
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So I see that ALOT of people like Blackmon, and there is 100% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Who is going to get him the ball??? You do relize even thou Blackmon is a stud, he is not that fast.
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So I see that ALOT of people like Blackmon, and there is 100% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Who is going to get him the ball??? You do relize even thou Blackmon is a stud, he is not that fast.
So I see that ALOT of people like Blackmon, and there is 100% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Who is going to get him the ball??? You do relize even thou Blackmon is a stud, he is not that fast.
Blackmon will be a solid pick for any team. But as you state, his speed isn't his main attribute. We already have a physical receiver in Greg Little so I wouldn't be surprised if Heckert targets Kendall Wright to add much needed speed to the roster. Wright isn't worth a 4th overall pick but we could trade down to picks 10-12 and grab him then. I'm not convinced he will still be there at #22.
But I'm not really hoping for any particular players. We just need a address certain positions: WR, DE, OLB, RT, and RB. If Heckert drafts as well as he has the past 2 years, I'll be pretty happy..
Edit: "Cribbs is the man" is on the right track with his post. Sorry I didn't see it until now. We agree on the positions of need, but it will be interesting to see which position Heckert goes after first..
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Coples is absolutely NOT the man. He does not have the work ethic to succeed at the NFL level, and is not a "good" bookend opposite Sheard.
Mike Adams completely dominated him at the senior bowl. Coples will not have a long career unless he discovers motivation.
Do not draft this guy.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Coples is absolutely NOT the man. He does not have the work ethic to succeed at the NFL level, and is not a "good" bookend opposite Sheard.
Mike Adams completely dominated him at the senior bowl. Coples will not have a long career unless he discovers motivation.
Do not draft this guy.
Coples is absolutely NOT the man. He does not have the work ethic to succeed at the NFL level, and is not a "good" bookend opposite Sheard.
Mike Adams completely dominated him at the senior bowl. Coples will not have a long career unless he discovers motivation.
If the Browns took Adams in the second round to secure their RT spot, that may not be all bad.
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Coples is absolutely NOT the man. He does not have the work ethic to succeed at the NFL level, and is not a "good" bookend opposite Sheard.
Mike Adams completely dominated him at the senior bowl. Coples will not have a long career unless he discovers motivation.
Do not draft this guy.
Coples is absolutely NOT the man. He does not have the work ethic to succeed at the NFL level, and is not a "good" bookend opposite Sheard.
Mike Adams completely dominated him at the senior bowl. Coples will not have a long career unless he discovers motivation.
Do not draft this guy.
Yea I just read the Heath Evans report on Coples, as well as some other things that really scare me about Coples. An unmotivated DE really does not last in this league and perform at a high level. So I'm rethinking my earlier Mock post. If we trade down (assuming we dont pick RGIII or Blackmon) who else would you pick at 6-10? Maybe Trent Richardson, but I really dont like picking RBs high because of their short shelf life and high injury potential. Plus I think RBs are generally overrated and it is more about an offenses passing game and blocking.. Maybe Kirkpatrick or Claiborne, but we can draft all the CBs we want and other teams will just continue to dominate us with the run.. Definitely too high to pick a RT imo. we dont need a DT. And I think top 10 is too high to pick Floyd, Jeffries, or Wright at WR. I just dont know who we go for if we trade down and have a pick from 6-10. We need game changers/ play makers with a top 10 pick. Thoughts?
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So I see that ALOT of people like Blackmon, and there is 100% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Who is going to get him the ball??? You do relize even thou Blackmon is a stud, he is not that fast.
So I see that ALOT of people like Blackmon, and there is 100% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Who is going to get him the ball??? You do relize even thou Blackmon is a stud, he is not that fast.
While your right, dont forget that Larry Fitzgerald, A.J. Green, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson and numerous others are not blazing fast recievers, although johnson is close. speed is important, but route running can gain seperation better then speed any day especially if your reciever can sell a route to the db. and the body control to shield defenders away from the ball also help alot which blackmon appears to have.
Colt can get him the ball, our offense if we had someone smart calling the plays should take advantage of his short to medium pass accuracy. Throwing deep isn't a huge part of the west coast offense, and we all know its Colts weakspot also. Now if we can get him some time so he doesn't have happy feet while in the pocket, and he can set and throw properly he can get the ball to recievers.
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"1st round pick (#6-9)- Quinton Coples DE - great compliment to Sheard, solidifies the trenches on the D side. Potentially would be one of the best defensive fronts (the most important defensive corp) in the league"
I cannot say whether or not he will be a good player, but according to the reports from the senior bowl is that no lineman could block him 1v1. He dominated them all. With that being said, i believe DE has a higher bust rate then QB's when looking at them in the first round, they really are hit or miss and usually miss. I would steer clear imo, but if Blackmon, Kalil, are all gone and we are unable to trade down, it may be a good selection.
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"1st round pick (#6-9)- Quinton Coples DE - great compliment to Sheard, solidifies the trenches on the D side. Potentially would be one of the best defensive fronts (the most important defensive corp) in the league"
I cannot say whether or not he will be a good player, but according to the reports from the senior bowl is that no lineman could block him 1v1. He dominated them all. With that being said, i believe DE has a higher bust rate then QB's when looking at them in the first round, they really are hit or miss and usually miss. I would steer clear imo, but if Blackmon, Kalil, are all gone and we are unable to trade down, it may be a good selection.
cbbacker said:
"1st round pick (#6-9)- Quinton Coples DE - great compliment to Sheard, solidifies the trenches on the D side. Potentially would be one of the best defensive fronts (the most important defensive corp) in the league"
I cannot say whether or not he will be a good player, but according to the reports from the senior bowl is that no lineman could block him 1v1. He dominated them all. With that being said, i believe DE has a higher bust rate then QB's when looking at them in the first round, they really are hit or miss and usually miss. I would steer clear imo, but if Blackmon, Kalil, are all gone and we are unable to trade down, it may be a good selection.
Why take Coples at #4 when you can get Vinny Curry in the second round? Curry put up great numbers last season with 94 total tackles and 12 sacks, and had two sacks in the Senior Bowl. He's a better pass rusher than Coples, and at 6'3, 265 he should be able to hold his own in run support.
Sheard/Curry could be like Freeney/Mathis.
Sure, it would be nice to grab a 6'6, 280 lb DE that is considered top 5 talent, but at what cost? There's been concerns over his maturity and work ethic already so why not trade back, add a couple picks, and then grab a guy in the second round who will probably put up the same numbers as Coples when all is said and done.
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cbbacker said:
"1st round pick (#6-9)- Quinton Coples DE - great compliment to Sheard, solidifies the trenches on the D side. Potentially would be one of the best defensive fronts (the most important defensive corp) in the league"
I cannot say whether or not he will be a good player, but according to the reports from the senior bowl is that no lineman could block him 1v1. He dominated them all. With that being said, i believe DE has a higher bust rate then QB's when looking at them in the first round, they really are hit or miss and usually miss. I would steer clear imo, but if Blackmon, Kalil, are all gone and we are unable to trade down, it may be a good selection.
Why take Coples at #4 when you can get Vinny Curry in the second round? Curry put up great numbers last season with 94 total tackles and 12 sacks, and had two sacks in the Senior Bowl. He's a better pass rusher than Coples, and at 6'3, 265 he should be able to hold his own in run support.
Sheard/Curry could be like Freeney/Mathis.
Sure, it would be nice to grab a 6'6, 280 lb DE that is considered top 5 talent, but at what cost? There's been concerns over his maturity and work ethic already so why not trade back, add a couple picks, and then grab a guy in the second round who will probably put up the same numbers as Coples when all is said and done.
Why take Coples at #4 when you can get Vinny Curry in the second round? Curry put up great numbers last season with 94 total tackles and 12 sacks, and had two sacks in the Senior Bowl. He's a better pass rusher than Coples, and at 6'3, 265 he should be able to hold his own in run support.
Sheard/Curry could be like Freeney/Mathis.
Sure, it would be nice to grab a 6'6, 280 lb DE that is considered top 5 talent, but at what cost? There's been concerns over his maturity and work ethic already so why not trade back, add a couple picks, and then grab a guy in the second round who will probably put up the same numbers as Coples when all is said and done.
i actually said i would steer clear, and only take him if kalil, blackmon, are gone or trade back, i said only take him if we are unable to move and those guys we really want are gone, i would take coples before i took rg3 though.
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Why take Coples at #4 when you can get Vinny Curry in the second round? Curry put up great numbers last season with 94 total tackles and 12 sacks, and had two sacks in the Senior Bowl. He's a better pass rusher than Coples, and at 6'3, 265 he should be able to hold his own in run support.
Sheard/Curry could be like Freeney/Mathis.
Sure, it would be nice to grab a 6'6, 280 lb DE that is considered top 5 talent, but at what cost? There's been concerns over his maturity and work ethic already so why not trade back, add a couple picks, and then grab a guy in the second round who will probably put up the same numbers as Coples when all is said and done.
i actually said i would steer clear, and only take him if kalil, blackmon, are gone or trade back, i said only take him if we are unable to move and those guys we really want are gone, i would take coples before i took rg3 though.
cbbacker said:
i actually said i would steer clear, and only take him if kalil, blackmon, are gone or trade back, i said only take him if we are unable to move and those guys we really want are gone, i would take coples before i took rg3 though.
Yea I dont think I would take Coples at 4, only if we trade back.. Like I said earlier, though, Im just not sure who else Id want with the 6-10 picks.
And btw, I really do not understand picking Kalil at 4.. We have Thomas for what seems like forever now, I dont want to take a RIGHT Tackle with a top five pick, that seems absolutely absurd to me.. We need speed and/or play makers, difference makers.. an above average RT in the 2nd plus a stud playmaker in the top 5 would have a way bigger effect on the Browns. I would take Claiborne over Kalil I think, even though I think CBs are extremely overrated..
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The problem with Coples is that one day he will dominate and the other he won't put in and ounce of effort. That is all I heard about him at the Senior Bowl, how he would do great one practice and then blow the next, then during the game where he should have been motivated he got dominated by Adams the whole time. As someone already said Curry did great all week and performed well in the game, and even the DE Ingrem from S. Carolina who measured short being someing like 6'1-6'2 with only a 30 inch length on his arms still did well during practices.
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As in most all drafts, players with the highest ceiling also tend to come with multiple & major question marks. In Coples case, I have heard all along that he lacks intensity & motivation. I wouldn't TOUCH him. That being said, I wanted an intimidating LB (Burfict), but with HIS question marks, how wise would that choice be?
Bottom line is that when Heckert was with the Eagles, they were always solid. I totally trust him & his staff to orchestrate yet another good draft, so I'll just wait & see. I don't believe I have trusted the Brown's drafting ability like this since the 1950s & early '60s.
Problem is that, as Fans, most all of us love to speculate & think we know what's best for the Browns. Most of us don't & I'll include myself in that number.
Mike
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As in most all drafts, players with the highest ceiling also tend to come with multiple & major question marks. In Coples case, I have heard all along that he lacks intensity & motivation. I wouldn't TOUCH him. That being said, I wanted an intimidating LB (Burfict), but with HIS question marks, how wise would that choice be?
Bottom line is that when Heckert was with the Eagles, they were always solid. I totally trust him & his staff to orchestrate yet another good draft, so I'll just wait & see. I don't believe I have trusted the Brown's drafting ability like this since the 1950s & early '60s.
Problem is that, as Fans, most all of us love to speculate & think we know what's best for the Browns. Most of us don't & I'll include myself in that number.
Mike
As in most all drafts, players with the highest ceiling also tend to come with multiple & major question marks. In Coples case, I have heard all along that he lacks intensity & motivation. I wouldn't TOUCH him. That being said, I wanted an intimidating LB (Burfict), but with HIS question marks, how wise would that choice be?
Bottom line is that when Heckert was with the Eagles, they were always solid. I totally trust him & his staff to orchestrate yet another good draft, so I'll just wait & see. I don't believe I have trusted the Brown's drafting ability like this since the 1950s & early '60s.
Hell, the Browns in that era didn't trust their own drafting ability. They dumped the likes of Willie Davis, Doug Atkins, Henry Jordan, Dick LeBeau, Len Dawson, and Bobby Mitchell....all HOFers that played primarily with other teams.
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As in most all drafts, players with the highest ceiling also tend to come with multiple & major question marks. In Coples case, I have heard all along that he lacks intensity & motivation. I wouldn't TOUCH him. That being said, I wanted an intimidating LB (Burfict), but with HIS question marks, how wise would that choice be?
Bottom line is that when Heckert was with the Eagles, they were always solid. I totally trust him & his staff to orchestrate yet another good draft, so I'll just wait & see. I don't believe I have trusted the Brown's drafting ability like this since the 1950s & early '60s.
Problem is that, as Fans, most all of us love to speculate & think we know what's best for the Browns. Most of us don't & I'll include myself in that number.
Mike
As in most all drafts, players with the highest ceiling also tend to come with multiple & major question marks. In Coples case, I have heard all along that he lacks intensity & motivation. I wouldn't TOUCH him. That being said, I wanted an intimidating LB (Burfict), but with HIS question marks, how wise would that choice be?
Bottom line is that when Heckert was with the Eagles, they were always solid. I totally trust him & his staff to orchestrate yet another good draft, so I'll just wait & see. I don't believe I have trusted the Brown's drafting ability like this since the 1950s & early '60s.
Hell, the Browns in that era didn't trust their own drafting ability. They dumped the likes of Willie Davis, Doug Atkins, Henry Jordan, Dick LeBeau, Len Dawson, and Bobby Mitchell....all HOFers that played primarily with other teams.
AHA!!! I said DRAFTING ability, didn't I? (NOT trades/cuts). The Browns DRAFTED all but ONE of the players you mentioned. That one player, Len Dawson, was drafted by the Steelers, traded to the Browns, cut, & didn't hook on until the old AFL's Dallas Texans signed him.
Back in those days, the Browns scouting & evaluation of College talent was absolutely top drawer as evidenced by those & more draft picks of that era. Their record of KEEPING many of those picks was not on that same high level, but we also had very deep & talented rosters back then, so if players didn't immediately excel, they were gone. I still recall how upset I was when they traded Bobby Mitchell for the draft rights to Ernie Davis of Syracuse (not coincidentally, Jimmy Brown's school). This broke up what I believe was the greatest RB tandem in NFL history (Jim Brown & Bobby Mitchell). The closest TANDEMS to them (playing at the same time) were the Colt's Lenny Moore/Alan Ameche & the Packer's Paul Hornung/Jim Taylor. Sadly, Ernie Davis contracted Leukemia which took his life quickly & Bobby is, of course, in the HOF today as a WR.
The difference today is that our current Browns don't have the depth or talent on today's roster to have to make difficult decisions. As we draft solid talent, it is an immediate upgrade & we will not be sending future HOFers out the door. These were different situations. Look at New England. They have had so much talent that they have also cut or traded away talent most teams would die for. At every level of success or lack of same, there are hard personnel decisions to be made. I'll continue to trust Heckert et al.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
cbbacker said:
i actually said i would steer clear, and only take him if kalil, blackmon, are gone or trade back, i said only take him if we are unable to move and those guys we really want are gone, i would take coples before i took rg3 though.
Yea I dont think I would take Coples at 4, only if we trade back.. Like I said earlier, though, Im just not sure who else Id want with the 6-10 picks.
And btw, I really do not understand picking Kalil at 4.. We have Thomas for what seems like forever now, I dont want to take a RIGHT Tackle with a top five pick, that seems absolutely absurd to me.. We need speed and/or play makers, difference makers.. an above average RT in the 2nd plus a stud playmaker in the top 5 would have a way bigger effect on the Browns. I would take Claiborne over Kalil I think, even though I think CBs are extremely overrated..
Yea I dont think I would take Coples at 4, only if we trade back.. Like I said earlier, though, Im just not sure who else Id want with the 6-10 picks.
And btw, I really do not understand picking Kalil at 4.. We have Thomas for what seems like forever now, I dont want to take a RIGHT Tackle with a top five pick, that seems absolutely absurd to me.. We need speed and/or play makers, difference makers.. an above average RT in the 2nd plus a stud playmaker in the top 5 would have a way bigger effect on the Browns. I would take Claiborne over Kalil I think, even though I think CBs are extremely overrated..
Me and my buddy just talked about this the other day and my reasoning why i would take kalil. I wouldn't take him over blackmon. But consider this, yes we have joe thomas, but what has been a glaring need since 1999? Last 5 years our right side was utterly dominated through every week. Plugging a round 2-7 player doesn't guarantee a fix, and yes neither does kalil, but with him he could be a 15 year pro bowler. Would you really pass on a guy who could be a 15 year pro bowler at RT? I would love to see us land blackmon then decastro at 22 if he falls. i doubt that happens though.
Everyone knows there are 3 aspects to football, special teams, defense, offense. People however do seem to forget there are 2 aspects of offense and defense. running game and passing game, and run defense and pass defense. How do you fix a bad running game? Get a better back, and/or improve the offensive line. Now how do you improve the passing game? you improve your recievers, improve your qb, or your offensive line. Now do you see a correlation? offensive line would help not 1 area, but 2 areas. where a receiver would only help 1 area.
I agree 100% we need playmakers, but a strong line gives our running back running lanes, look what just losing stienbach did to our running game this year when hillis actually played, and they give our qb more time to wait for open players. even the best corners can only cover for what 6-8 sec? The problem is we cannot even give our qb 4 sec because our line is extremely weak.
I am sure alot of people disagree with me, but how much did the giants line 4 years ago play a part in there superbowl win over the undefeated pats? Just look at the teams in the playoffs, not all of them have star players, but most of them have very good or better offensive lines. so i do think taking a tackle who can play the right side very well is exciting to me, we still have pick 22 to address playmakers.
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Yea I dont think I would take Coples at 4, only if we trade back.. Like I said earlier, though, Im just not sure who else Id want with the 6-10 picks.
And btw, I really do not understand picking Kalil at 4.. We have Thomas for what seems like forever now, I dont want to take a RIGHT Tackle with a top five pick, that seems absolutely absurd to me.. We need speed and/or play makers, difference makers.. an above average RT in the 2nd plus a stud playmaker in the top 5 would have a way bigger effect on the Browns. I would take Claiborne over Kalil I think, even though I think CBs are extremely overrated..
Me and my buddy just talked about this the other day and my reasoning why i would take kalil. I wouldn't take him over blackmon. But consider this, yes we have joe thomas, but what has been a glaring need since 1999? Last 5 years our right side was utterly dominated through every week. Plugging a round 2-7 player doesn't guarantee a fix, and yes neither does kalil, but with him he could be a 15 year pro bowler. Would you really pass on a guy who could be a 15 year pro bowler at RT? I would love to see us land blackmon then decastro at 22 if he falls. i doubt that happens though.
Everyone knows there are 3 aspects to football, special teams, defense, offense. People however do seem to forget there are 2 aspects of offense and defense. running game and passing game, and run defense and pass defense. How do you fix a bad running game? Get a better back, and/or improve the offensive line. Now how do you improve the passing game? you improve your recievers, improve your qb, or your offensive line. Now do you see a correlation? offensive line would help not 1 area, but 2 areas. where a receiver would only help 1 area.
I agree 100% we need playmakers, but a strong line gives our running back running lanes, look what just losing stienbach did to our running game this year when hillis actually played, and they give our qb more time to wait for open players. even the best corners can only cover for what 6-8 sec? The problem is we cannot even give our qb 4 sec because our line is extremely weak.
I am sure alot of people disagree with me, but how much did the giants line 4 years ago play a part in there superbowl win over the undefeated pats? Just look at the teams in the playoffs, not all of them have star players, but most of them have very good or better offensive lines. so i do think taking a tackle who can play the right side very well is exciting to me, we still have pick 22 to address playmakers.
cbbacker said:
Me and my buddy just talked about this the other day and my reasoning why i would take kalil. I wouldn't take him over blackmon. But consider this, yes we have joe thomas, but what has been a glaring need since 1999? Last 5 years our right side was utterly dominated through every week. Plugging a round 2-7 player doesn't guarantee a fix, and yes neither does kalil, but with him he could be a 15 year pro bowler. Would you really pass on a guy who could be a 15 year pro bowler at RT? I would love to see us land blackmon then decastro at 22 if he falls. i doubt that happens though.
Everyone knows there are 3 aspects to football, special teams, defense, offense. People however do seem to forget there are 2 aspects of offense and defense. running game and passing game, and run defense and pass defense. How do you fix a bad running game? Get a better back, and/or improve the offensive line. Now how do you improve the passing game? you improve your recievers, improve your qb, or your offensive line. Now do you see a correlation? offensive line would help not 1 area, but 2 areas. where a receiver would only help 1 area.
I agree 100% we need playmakers, but a strong line gives our running back running lanes, look what just losing stienbach did to our running game this year when hillis actually played, and they give our qb more time to wait for open players. even the best corners can only cover for what 6-8 sec? The problem is we cannot even give our qb 4 sec because our line is extremely weak.
I am sure alot of people disagree with me, but how much did the giants line 4 years ago play a part in there superbowl win over the undefeated pats? Just look at the teams in the playoffs, not all of them have star players, but most of them have very good or better offensive lines. so i do think taking a tackle who can play the right side very well is exciting to me, we still have pick 22 to address playmakers.
YOU DONT DRAFT A RT 4TH OVERALL. YOU DONT PAY A RT TOP 5 MONEY.
I agree RT is a position of need. But no GM would ever draft a RT that high. RT's are LT's that got picked in the later rounds.
It just doesn't happen.
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