Draft And Free Agency
-
Steinbach was signed as a FA. He was by far the best FA OL available that year. And he's completely recovered from his back injury - at least from the reports I've seen.
Here's the list of FA signings for Heckert's teams during his stints as GM:
2006 - LB Shawn Barber, WR Jabar Gaffney, QB Jeff Garcia, DE Darren Howard, TE Matt Schobel.
2007 - WR Kevin Curtis, WR Bethel Johnson, DT Montae Reagor.
2008 - DE Chris Clemons, DT-FB Dan Klecko, LB Rocky Boiman, TE Kris Wilson, and CB Asante Samuel.
2009 - OT Stacy Andrews, S Rashad Baker, S Sean Jones, FB Leonard Weaver.
2010 - QB Jake Delhomme, LB Scott Fujita, OL Eric Ghiaciuc, OT Tony Pashos, TE Benjamin Watson
PHILLY IN DEPTH
(cap numbers from USA TODAY salaries database)
2006:
LB Barber - drafted WAS 1998, age 31 (9 yr xp); 1 year, $710k base, $1.918m cap value; not resigned
WR Gaffney - drafted HOU 2002, age 25 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
QB Garcia - undrafted 1994, age 36, 1 year, $710k base, $1.302 cap value; not resigned
DE Howard - drafted NOR 2000, age 29 (6 yr xp); 6 years, $10.5 SB, $25.1m total; released 2010
TE Schobel - drafted CIN 2002, age 27 (4 yr xp); 5 years, $3m SB, $6.95m total; released 2009
To recap: The big 'splash' this year was Darren Howard, a pass rushing specialist who had a couple of double digit sack years with the Saints and one with the Eagles, notching 23.5 in four years of situational use. Garcia was signed as a backup to McNabb, and when McNabb went down Garcia led the Eagles to 5 consecutive wins to close out the season and the NFC East, but lost in the second round of the playoffs to the Saints. Barber was a one-year rental at LB and Schobel was a solid #2 TE but did little of note.
2007:
WR Curtis - drafted STL 2003, age 29 (4 yr xp); 6 year, $9.5m guaranteed, $32m total; released 2010
WR Johnson - drafted NE 2003, age 28 (4 yr xp); 1 year; released prior to regular season
DT Reagor - drafted DEN 1999, age 30 (8 yr xp); 3 year, $2m guaranteed, $6.5m total; released 2008
To recap: Curtis was the big prize this year, and had a solid year (incl. 1100 yards on 77 receptions) before getting sidelined with injuries in 2008 and 2009. Reagor was coming off of a serious injury and was signed as a backup, which allowed Philly to trade Darwin Walker for Takeo Spikes and Kelly Holcomb. Only played in 7 games with 2 tackles and released the following year.
2008
DE Clemons - undrafted 2003, age 26 (5 yr xp); 5 year, $4m guaranteed, $12.6m total; released 2010
DT-FB Klecko - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 2 year, $600k SB, $2m total; released 2009
LB Boiman - drafted TEN 2002, age 28 (6 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
TE Wilson - drafted SD 2004, age 29 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released piror to regular season
CB Samuel - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $6m SB, $56m total
To recap: Samuel was one of the most sought-after FA in 2008, where rumors flew that he was asking for a 10 year, $100m contract. Regardless, has been worth the money he's been paid: Pro Bowl in all 3 years since signing, 20 interceptions, 52 passes defended. Clemons was signed as a situational pass rusher after an 8 sack year in Oakland and had 7 sacks in 2 years for the Eagles. Klecko was a weird DT-FB hybrid that never worked out, and the other two guys are footnotes.
2009
OT Andrews - drafted CIN 2004, age 28 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $680k, $38.7m total; restructured 2010
S Baker - undrafted 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
S Jones - drafted CLE 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, $3m total; restructured that year (-$500k); released 2010
FB Weaver - undrafted 2005, age 26 (4 yr xp); 1 year, $1.75m ($2.5m incent.) total; resigned 2010 3 years, $11m
QB Vick - late signing; 1 year, $1.6m w/ team option for 2010. Franchised 2011.
To recap: No real expected big hauls this year, though Weaver was the best of the bunch in 2009 with a Pro Bowl selection following the season and the richest contract for a fullback in NFL history in 2010, followed promptly by a catastrophic ACL tear in his first carry of the 2010 season. Jones was a sieve and was replaced by Nate Allen, and Andrews was given a big but incentive-laden contract after signing a franchise tender in 2008 and tearing his ACL in Game 16. He remains there as a backup and has restructured to reduce his base salaries. Vick's story is quite well known.
SUMMARY
Heckert only does one big signing per year. He's usually correct, especially Samuels and Howard. Curtis hit in his first year but was lost due to injuries for 2 consecutive years. Note that Curtis hadn't had a history of injury prior to his signing. Andrews was the only big money guy to not live up to his contract, but it was structured to limit cap liability despite the risk they were taking with the his ACL tear. Beyond the big guys, there are a couple of speculative young guys (Gaffney at the time, Weaver, Wilson) and a large amount of gap-filling vets on low-mid level contracts -- similar to what we saw in 2010 with the signings of Watson, Fujita, and Pashos. Delhomme would probably be considered our "big" signing of 2010, but he also serves in that gap filling role and his salary isn't that far off of a starting veteran QB's.
Heckert simply doesn't go for the big bank in free agency. Only once in 5 years has he gone for a top name guy (Samuels) which, in the end, worked out okay. Expect a couple of resigned players, 2-3 low-midrange vets, and perhaps one mid-high level vet once the major smoke has cleared.
Steinbach was signed as a FA. He was by far the best FA OL available that year. And he's completely recovered from his back injury - at least from the reports I've seen.
Here's the list of FA signings for Heckert's teams during his stints as GM:
2006 - LB Shawn Barber, WR Jabar Gaffney, QB Jeff Garcia, DE Darren Howard, TE Matt Schobel.
2007 - WR Kevin Curtis, WR Bethel Johnson, DT Montae Reagor.
2008 - DE Chris Clemons, DT-FB Dan Klecko, LB Rocky Boiman, TE Kris Wilson, and CB Asante Samuel.
2009 - OT Stacy Andrews, S Rashad Baker, S Sean Jones, FB Leonard Weaver.
2010 - QB Jake Delhomme, LB Scott Fujita, OL Eric Ghiaciuc, OT Tony Pashos, TE Benjamin Watson
PHILLY IN DEPTH
(cap numbers from USA TODAY salaries database)
2006:
LB Barber - drafted WAS 1998, age 31 (9 yr xp); 1 year, $710k base, $1.918m cap value; not resigned
WR Gaffney - drafted HOU 2002, age 25 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
QB Garcia - undrafted 1994, age 36, 1 year, $710k base, $1.302 cap value; not resigned
DE Howard - drafted NOR 2000, age 29 (6 yr xp); 6 years, $10.5 SB, $25.1m total; released 2010
TE Schobel - drafted CIN 2002, age 27 (4 yr xp); 5 years, $3m SB, $6.95m total; released 2009
To recap: The big 'splash' this year was Darren Howard, a pass rushing specialist who had a couple of double digit sack years with the Saints and one with the Eagles, notching 23.5 in four years of situational use. Garcia was signed as a backup to McNabb, and when McNabb went down Garcia led the Eagles to 5 consecutive wins to close out the season and the NFC East, but lost in the second round of the playoffs to the Saints. Barber was a one-year rental at LB and Schobel was a solid #2 TE but did little of note.
2007:
WR Curtis - drafted STL 2003, age 29 (4 yr xp); 6 year, $9.5m guaranteed, $32m total; released 2010
WR Johnson - drafted NE 2003, age 28 (4 yr xp); 1 year; released prior to regular season
DT Reagor - drafted DEN 1999, age 30 (8 yr xp); 3 year, $2m guaranteed, $6.5m total; released 2008
To recap: Curtis was the big prize this year, and had a solid year (incl. 1100 yards on 77 receptions) before getting sidelined with injuries in 2008 and 2009. Reagor was coming off of a serious injury and was signed as a backup, which allowed Philly to trade Darwin Walker for Takeo Spikes and Kelly Holcomb. Only played in 7 games with 2 tackles and released the following year.
2008
DE Clemons - undrafted 2003, age 26 (5 yr xp); 5 year, $4m guaranteed, $12.6m total; released 2010
DT-FB Klecko - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 2 year, $600k SB, $2m total; released 2009
LB Boiman - drafted TEN 2002, age 28 (6 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
TE Wilson - drafted SD 2004, age 29 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released piror to regular season
CB Samuel - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $6m SB, $56m total
To recap: Samuel was one of the most sought-after FA in 2008, where rumors flew that he was asking for a 10 year, $100m contract. Regardless, has been worth the money he's been paid: Pro Bowl in all 3 years since signing, 20 interceptions, 52 passes defended. Clemons was signed as a situational pass rusher after an 8 sack year in Oakland and had 7 sacks in 2 years for the Eagles. Klecko was a weird DT-FB hybrid that never worked out, and the other two guys are footnotes.
2009
OT Andrews - drafted CIN 2004, age 28 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $680k, $38.7m total; restructured 2010
S Baker - undrafted 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
S Jones - drafted CLE 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, $3m total; restructured that year (-$500k); released 2010
FB Weaver - undrafted 2005, age 26 (4 yr xp); 1 year, $1.75m ($2.5m incent.) total; resigned 2010 3 years, $11m
QB Vick - late signing; 1 year, $1.6m w/ team option for 2010. Franchised 2011.
To recap: No real expected big hauls this year, though Weaver was the best of the bunch in 2009 with a Pro Bowl selection following the season and the richest contract for a fullback in NFL history in 2010, followed promptly by a catastrophic ACL tear in his first carry of the 2010 season. Jones was a sieve and was replaced by Nate Allen, and Andrews was given a big but incentive-laden contract after signing a franchise tender in 2008 and tearing his ACL in Game 16. He remains there as a backup and has restructured to reduce his base salaries. Vick's story is quite well known.
SUMMARY
Heckert only does one big signing per year. He's usually correct, especially Samuels and Howard. Curtis hit in his first year but was lost due to injuries for 2 consecutive years. Note that Curtis hadn't had a history of injury prior to his signing. Andrews was the only big money guy to not live up to his contract, but it was structured to limit cap liability despite the risk they were taking with the his ACL tear. Beyond the big guys, there are a couple of speculative young guys (Gaffney at the time, Weaver, Wilson) and a large amount of gap-filling vets on low-mid level contracts -- similar to what we saw in 2010 with the signings of Watson, Fujita, and Pashos. Delhomme would probably be considered our "big" signing of 2010, but he also serves in that gap filling role and his salary isn't that far off of a starting veteran QB's.
Heckert simply doesn't go for the big bank in free agency. Only once in 5 years has he gone for a top name guy (Samuels) which, in the end, worked out okay. Expect a couple of resigned players, 2-3 low-midrange vets, and perhaps one mid-high level vet once the major smoke has cleared.
Great job man. Excellent post.
-
What would make me happy is if Luck dropped in our hands at #4 and we are able to keep the rest of our draft plans in tact.
Head or Gut? -
What would make me happy is if Luck dropped in our hands at #4 and we are able to keep the rest of our draft plans in tact.
-
Steinbach was signed as a FA. He was by far the best FA OL available that year. And he's completely recovered from his back injury - at least from the reports I've seen.
Here's the list of FA signings for Heckert's teams during his stints as GM:
2006 - LB Shawn Barber, WR Jabar Gaffney, QB Jeff Garcia, DE Darren Howard, TE Matt Schobel.
2007 - WR Kevin Curtis, WR Bethel Johnson, DT Montae Reagor.
2008 - DE Chris Clemons, DT-FB Dan Klecko, LB Rocky Boiman, TE Kris Wilson, and CB Asante Samuel.
2009 - OT Stacy Andrews, S Rashad Baker, S Sean Jones, FB Leonard Weaver.
2010 - QB Jake Delhomme, LB Scott Fujita, OL Eric Ghiaciuc, OT Tony Pashos, TE Benjamin Watson
PHILLY IN DEPTH
(cap numbers from USA TODAY salaries database)
2006:
LB Barber - drafted WAS 1998, age 31 (9 yr xp); 1 year, $710k base, $1.918m cap value; not resigned
WR Gaffney - drafted HOU 2002, age 25 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
QB Garcia - undrafted 1994, age 36, 1 year, $710k base, $1.302 cap value; not resigned
DE Howard - drafted NOR 2000, age 29 (6 yr xp); 6 years, $10.5 SB, $25.1m total; released 2010
TE Schobel - drafted CIN 2002, age 27 (4 yr xp); 5 years, $3m SB, $6.95m total; released 2009
To recap: The big 'splash' this year was Darren Howard, a pass rushing specialist who had a couple of double digit sack years with the Saints and one with the Eagles, notching 23.5 in four years of situational use. Garcia was signed as a backup to McNabb, and when McNabb went down Garcia led the Eagles to 5 consecutive wins to close out the season and the NFC East, but lost in the second round of the playoffs to the Saints. Barber was a one-year rental at LB and Schobel was a solid #2 TE but did little of note.
2007:
WR Curtis - drafted STL 2003, age 29 (4 yr xp); 6 year, $9.5m guaranteed, $32m total; released 2010
WR Johnson - drafted NE 2003, age 28 (4 yr xp); 1 year; released prior to regular season
DT Reagor - drafted DEN 1999, age 30 (8 yr xp); 3 year, $2m guaranteed, $6.5m total; released 2008
To recap: Curtis was the big prize this year, and had a solid year (incl. 1100 yards on 77 receptions) before getting sidelined with injuries in 2008 and 2009. Reagor was coming off of a serious injury and was signed as a backup, which allowed Philly to trade Darwin Walker for Takeo Spikes and Kelly Holcomb. Only played in 7 games with 2 tackles and released the following year.
2008
DE Clemons - undrafted 2003, age 26 (5 yr xp); 5 year, $4m guaranteed, $12.6m total; released 2010
DT-FB Klecko - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 2 year, $600k SB, $2m total; released 2009
LB Boiman - drafted TEN 2002, age 28 (6 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
TE Wilson - drafted SD 2004, age 29 (4 yr xp); 1 year, released piror to regular season
CB Samuel - drafted NE 2003, age 27 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $6m SB, $56m total
To recap: Samuel was one of the most sought-after FA in 2008, where rumors flew that he was asking for a 10 year, $100m contract. Regardless, has been worth the money he's been paid: Pro Bowl in all 3 years since signing, 20 interceptions, 52 passes defended. Clemons was signed as a situational pass rusher after an 8 sack year in Oakland and had 7 sacks in 2 years for the Eagles. Klecko was a weird DT-FB hybrid that never worked out, and the other two guys are footnotes.
2009
OT Andrews - drafted CIN 2004, age 28 (5 yr xp); 6 year, $680k, $38.7m total; restructured 2010
S Baker - undrafted 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, released prior to regular season
S Jones - drafted CLE 2004, age 27 (5 yr xp); 1 year, $3m total; restructured that year (-$500k); released 2010
FB Weaver - undrafted 2005, age 26 (4 yr xp); 1 year, $1.75m ($2.5m incent.) total; resigned 2010 3 years, $11m
QB Vick - late signing; 1 year, $1.6m w/ team option for 2010. Franchised 2011.
To recap: No real expected big hauls this year, though Weaver was the best of the bunch in 2009 with a Pro Bowl selection following the season and the richest contract for a fullback in NFL history in 2010, followed promptly by a catastrophic ACL tear in his first carry of the 2010 season. Jones was a sieve and was replaced by Nate Allen, and Andrews was given a big but incentive-laden contract after signing a franchise tender in 2008 and tearing his ACL in Game 16. He remains there as a backup and has restructured to reduce his base salaries. Vick's story is quite well known.
SUMMARY
Heckert only does one big signing per year. He's usually correct, especially Samuels and Howard. Curtis hit in his first year but was lost due to injuries for 2 consecutive years. Note that Curtis hadn't had a history of injury prior to his signing. Andrews was the only big money guy to not live up to his contract, but it was structured to limit cap liability despite the risk they were taking with the his ACL tear. Beyond the big guys, there are a couple of speculative young guys (Gaffney at the time, Weaver, Wilson) and a large amount of gap-filling vets on low-mid level contracts -- similar to what we saw in 2010 with the signings of Watson, Fujita, and Pashos. Delhomme would probably be considered our "big" signing of 2010, but he also serves in that gap filling role and his salary isn't that far off of a starting veteran QB's.
Heckert simply doesn't go for the big bank in free agency. Only once in 5 years has he gone for a top name guy (Samuels) which, in the end, worked out okay. Expect a couple of resigned players, 2-3 low-midrange vets, and perhaps one mid-high level vet once the major smoke has cleared.
Great job man. Excellent post.
-
Zombo said:
That sounds Fair...
Zombo
I was thinking something more like this:
-
I would love, love, love to see the Browns...
Re-sign : DQwell Jackson and Peyton Hillis
Sign : Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, and Mario Manningham
Call me crazy, but that is some talent right there and is certainly possible... Williams I see as the most unrealistic signing of the bunch
-
I would love, love, love to see the Browns...
Sign : ...and Mario Manningham
Call me crazy, but that is some talent right there and is certainly possible...
We can only hope
-
What would make me happy is if Luck dropped in our hands at #4 and we are able to keep the rest of our draft plans in tact.
-
I would love, love, love to see the Browns...
Re-sign : DQwell Jackson and Peyton Hillis
Sign : Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, and Mario Manningham
Call me crazy, but that is some talent right there and is certainly possible... Williams I see as the most unrealistic signing of the bunch
I would love, love, love to see the Browns...
Re-sign : DQwell Jackson and Peyton Hillis
Sign : Mario Williams, Matt Flynn, and Mario Manningham
Call me crazy, but that is some talent right there and is certainly possible... Williams I see as the most unrealistic signing of the bunch
Matt Flynn? What is wrong with you?
-
some of the mock drafts i have seen have burfict slipping into round 2, although i would be surprised if he passed philly, but for some reason they have hightower going ahead of burfict. I guess hightower did play against better competition but if burfict can keep his head straight i would love to see a mlb that can tackle, but actually get the guys at the los instead of 5 yards passed. And if we can land him in round 2 that would be great; however, unlikely.
-
Matt Flynn? What is wrong with you?
IF and i am saying IF we dont get a qb, you dont think it would be good to bring in a guy familliar with our offense to challenge for the starting job? I don't know if mccoy is our guy. He has shown toughness and heart, but has issues moving the offense. Matt Flynn benefitted from being on the packers that last game, but he still could be brought in at a reasonable price and push/challenge mccoy.
As i said, thats if we dont go qb.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login