Half Time Show.
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You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
No are they up and coming. Yellow came out like 12 years ago.
With all due respect Gip, i really enjoy your post and all but this argument feels like I'm arguing with my dad.
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Well....here it is....If I don't even know what kind of music Green Day plays....I had to look it up to learn that they were essentially a punk act...and if I cannot tell you a single song that Green Day has ever done...
there is the proof in the pudding that Green Day does not have the profile to be a Super Bowl act.
And I am not a musical novice.
Honestly, You thinking that 90% of the SB audiance wouldn't know Green Day and would know Neil Young because thats who you know and don't know couldn't be more wrong. More people know Green Day then Young that isn't even a question in my mind. With all do respect you might just be older and out of touch with newer music. Just because you don't know Green Day and had to look them up doesn't make them some small time band. Neil Young to me has no reconizable songs except rockin in the free world and cinnamon girl and those aren't really HUGE songs. And he doesn't put on anywhere near the show that Green Day would. I think if you checked out some Green Day songs you would realize that you indeed do know the songs. They have had HUGE songs man. in 1994 you couldn't go anywhere without hearing "Basket Case" .... or how about when the last episode of Seinfeld one of the biggest shows ever and they end the series with a Green Day song ("Time Of My Life") or any of the hits off the American Idiot record which was turned into a Broadway show.
BTW they could do a snippet of the Broadway show for half time show if they really wanted too.
Honestly, You thinking that 90% of the SB audiance wouldn't know Green Day and would know Neil Young because thats who you know and don't know couldn't be more wrong. More people know Green Day then Young that isn't even a question in my mind.
That is because you are stupid and have no clue what this debate is all about.
With all do respect you might just be older and out of touch with newer music.
I don't debate that one bit. But then, that is the point...the Super Bowl halftime show is going to appeal to a vast audience....with plenty of people like me included. It is not going to just go for people that are in touch with newer music.
And it is not so much that I am out of touch with newer music....its just that Green Day is not the sort of act that the SB halftime show is looking for...
Though they might not be the same musically, Green Day is on the order of Jethro Tull. A very popular act amongst certain crowds. Not the hugest of "Popular" acts.
Just because you don't know Green Day and had to look them up doesn't make them some small time band. Neil Young to me has no reconizable songs except rockin in the free world and cinnamon girl and those aren't really HUGE songs.
Then clearly it is you who is showing YOUR ignorance here. Neil Young was part of 2 mega groups: Buffalo Springfield and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.
And he doesn't put on anywhere near the show that Green Day would. I think if you checked out some Green Day songs you would realize that you indeed do know the songs. They have had HUGE songs man. in 1994 you couldn't go anywhere without hearing "Basket Case" .... or how about when the last episode of Seinfeld one of the biggest shows ever and they end the series with a Green Day song ("Time Of My Life") or any of the hits off the American Idiot record which was turned into a Broadway show.
You know, that may be....but then that is also somewhat a sign of their obscurity. If a song comes on and you know it, but are asked "who does it" and the reply is "no clue", well, then that acts profile leaves something to be desired, doesn't it?
BTW they could do a snippet of the Broadway show for half time show if they really wanted too.
If we are just going based on something like that....then perhaps The Black Keys should be the act. They have had all kinds of songs on TV, in movies, on commercials etc. etc.
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I'd be happy with a more main stream rap artist
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Bullcrap gipper, you know green day even if you don't listen to them. They've been used in a thousand promos and ads. You'd have to be the one living under a rock. There's a reason they use holiday and time of your life in all those promos and not, say, scenes from an Italian resteraunt by billie Joel even though it is a better song.
Bullcrap gipper, you know green day even if you don't listen to them. They've been used in a thousand promos and ads. You'd have to be the one living under a rock. There's a reason they use holiday and time of your life in all those promos and not, say, scenes from an Italian resteraunt by billie Joel even though it is a better song.
I know a BeeGees song called "Holiday". I know a Madonna song called "Holiday". I don't know a Green Day song called "Holiday"....though maybe I would know it if I heard it.
Again...that is part of my whole point. It is not to disparage Green Day musically or otherwise, it is just to point out that their public profile is not top hat....to where they would be tapped to headline the Super Bowl halftime show.
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You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
Yes. Coldplay is more well known and probably with bigger hits.
Give a little thanks to Gwyneth.
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I'd be happy with a more main stream rap artist
Nope, raps sucks! And just when I thought you might be tolerable as a michigander.
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Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
just for amusement...
the ant-iestablishment becomes the establishment
not too big on corporate rock or even power chords. anyone can play power chords in a 4/4 time...its not difficult. ive honestly seen more talent in a church choir...
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You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
No are they up and coming. Yellow came out like 12 years ago.
With all due respect Gip, i really enjoy your post and all but this argument feels like I'm arguing with my dad.
No are they up and coming. Yellow came out like 12 years ago.
With all due respect Gip, i really enjoy your post and all but this argument feels like I'm arguing with my dad.
I am probably as old or older than your Dad.
Which of course means that I am wiser.
Again, many of you are arguing here based on your musical taste....which is wholly not the issue. The issue is mass notoriety and appeal.
Green Day doesn't bring that to the table, though musically they may be far beyond whomever might be pegged for the Super Bowl.
I mean, if I said: are you willing to bet $100.00 on who will be picked to do the Super Bowl halftime show: Beyonce or Green Day.....who would you place your money on?
Clearly it would be Beyonce.
I mean it would be like saying: who would you be willing to bet $100.00 on to be in the Super Bowl next year: The Browns or Green Bay?
There the green team would win.
How about this prop bet: put $100.00 on what is more likely to happen first: The Browns in the Super Bowl, or Green Day in the Super Bowl halftime show?
Ouch!!
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You keep mentioning coldplay. Coldplay is not in green days league.
Yes. Coldplay is more well known and probably with bigger hits.
Give a little thanks to Gwyneth.
Yes. Coldplay is more well known and probably with bigger hits.
Give a little thanks to Gwyneth.
Nope, not at all. Not even a little bit. Probably not even in England.
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No are they up and coming. Yellow came out like 12 years ago.
With all due respect Gip, i really enjoy your post and all but this argument feels like I'm arguing with my dad.
I am probably as old or older than your Dad.
Which of course means that I am wiser.
Again, many of you are arguing here based on your musical taste....which is wholly not the issue. The issue is mass notoriety and appeal.
Green Day doesn't bring that to the table, though musically they may be far beyond whomever might be pegged for the Super Bowl.
I mean, if I said: are you willing to bet $100.00 on who will be picked to do the Super Bowl halftime show: Beyonce or Green Day.....who would you place your money on?
Clearly it would be Beyonce.
I mean it would be like saying: who would you be willing to bet $100.00 on to be in the Super Bowl next year: The Browns or Green Bay?
There the green team would win.
How about this prop bet: put $100.00 on what is more likely to happen first: The Browns in the Super Bowl, or Green Day in the Super Bowl halftime show?
Ouch!!
I am probably as old or older than your Dad.
Which of course means that I am wiser.
Again, many of you are arguing here based on your musical taste....which is wholly not the issue. The issue is mass notoriety and appeal.
Green Day doesn't bring that to the table, though musically they may be far beyond whomever might be pegged for the Super Bowl.
I mean, if I said: are you willing to bet $100.00 on who will be picked to do the Super Bowl halftime show: Beyonce or Green Day.....who would you place your money on?
Clearly it would be Beyonce.
I mean it would be like saying: who would you be willing to bet $100.00 on to be in the Super Bowl next year: The Browns or Green Bay?
There the green team would win.
How about this prop bet: put $100.00 on what is more likely to happen first: The Browns in the Super Bowl, or Green Day in the Super Bowl halftime show?
Ouch!!
OOHhhh, sadly I would have to take Green Day over the Browns.
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Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Yeah but they're using Justin timberlake and MIA. If tom petty can do it, the foo fighters could headline it, that's not disparaging tom petty, only acknowlidging that the foo fighters have many well known hits, as does green day. I'm not a rap guy but I'd rather see snoop dogg and eminem up there than Madonna. And you know what? They'd probably conduct themselves better than Janet Jackson and MIA.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
No are they up and coming. Yellow came out like 12 years ago.
With all due respect Gip, i really enjoy your post and all but this argument feels like I'm arguing with my dad.
I am probably as old or older than your Dad.
Which of course means that I am wiser.
Again, many of you are arguing here based on your musical taste....which is wholly not the issue. The issue is mass notoriety and appeal.
Green Day doesn't bring that to the table, though musically they may be far beyond whomever might be pegged for the Super Bowl.
I mean, if I said: are you willing to bet $100.00 on who will be picked to do the Super Bowl halftime show: Beyonce or Green Day.....who would you place your money on?
Clearly it would be Beyonce.
I mean it would be like saying: who would you be willing to bet $100.00 on to be in the Super Bowl next year: The Browns or Green Bay?
There the green team would win.
How about this prop bet: put $100.00 on what is more likely to happen first: The Browns in the Super Bowl, or Green Day in the Super Bowl halftime show?
Ouch!!
I am probably as old or older than your Dad.
Which of course means that I am wiser.
Again, many of you are arguing here based on your musical taste....which is wholly not the issue. The issue is mass notoriety and appeal.
Green Day doesn't bring that to the table, though musically they may be far beyond whomever might be pegged for the Super Bowl.
I mean, if I said: are you willing to bet $100.00 on who will be picked to do the Super Bowl halftime show: Beyonce or Green Day.....who would you place your money on?
Clearly it would be Beyonce.
I mean it would be like saying: who would you be willing to bet $100.00 on to be in the Super Bowl next year: The Browns or Green Bay?
There the green team would win.
How about this prop bet: put $100.00 on what is more likely to happen first: The Browns in the Super Bowl, or Green Day in the Super Bowl halftime show?
Ouch!!
Who the hell was the douchey husband wife country team doing the star spangled banner? More people know green day than them and that's the truth.
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Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Yeah but they're using Justin timberlake and MIA. If tom petty can do it, the foo fighters could headline it, that's not disparaging tom petty, only acknowlidging that the foo fighters have many well known hits, as does green day. I'm not a rap guy but I'd rather see snoop dogg and eminem up there than Madonna. And you know what? They'd probably conduct themselves better than Janet Jackson and MIA.
Yeah but they're using Justin timberlake and MIA. If tom petty can do it, the foo fighters could headline it, that's not disparaging tom petty, only acknowlidging that the foo fighters have many well known hits, as does green day. I'm not a rap guy but I'd rather see snoop dogg and eminem up there than Madonna. And you know what? They'd probably conduct themselves better than Janet Jackson and MIA.
How about some Jawaiian music. JBoog is my favorite.
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Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Yea, I know who they are too. I know who The Sex Pistols are, I know who The Ramones are, I know who Buzzcock is etc. etc. And supposedly Green Day is in that category as well.
Look, children....when I was young....and my heart was an open book, I used to say live and let live....(excuse me, I digress into song lyrics...see what happens when you get my age)..
when I was young the Super Bowl halftime shows were NOT The Rolling Stones, The Who or Bruce Springsteen. They weren't gearing those shows for the young people of my age.
No, they were giving us Andy Williams, Up With People, Carol Channing, and George Burns. Hell we had to wait until 1988 to get someone as current as Chubby Checker.
So, quit your bitchin'....and get ready for Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood or something like that if you want current.
(or else you will get Elton John)
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I think Blink 182 has a better shot then Green Day. I'd still prefer Garth Brooks or George Strait. A Garth Brooks show consisting of Callin' Baton Rouge, Ain't Goin Down, Rodeo (personal pick), Thunder Rolls, and Friends in Low Places would be amazing. A George Strait show consisting of Blue Clear Sky, Heartland, Carrying Your Love With Me, Run (personal pick), and Carried Away or Check Yes or No would be pretty bad ass as well. The songs in bold are must haves. The thing is they both have countless other top of the charts songs they could substitute in. It won't be as exciting as a Beyonce or Black Eyed Peas but its pretty low risk (no middle fingers or wardrobe malfunctions) high reward (entertaining and recognizable). They would be solid choices in New Orleans (next year) or in Arizona (2015). As for New York/New Jersey I have a hard time not seeing them go with Jay-Z. After all he is the King of New York. Plus you know Kanye and Beyonce will be making appearances with him.
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Oh God.... not country music.
Some one said Eminem. Every time I've seen Eminem do a performance at like the Grammys or something it's pretty awesome. No way he'll ever do a super bowl, but it would be sick.
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Well, they aren't "top hat" to you... and you are extrapolating that to all of America, which isn't true. I don't like Green Day that much, not my style of music (only "punk" I've ever listened to was my very first CD, Blink 182) but I know who they are.
Every time they try to gear a show to us young people though something goes wrong... so that's not a good sign.
Yea, I know who they are too. I know who The Sex Pistols are, I know who The Ramones are, I know who Buzzcock is etc. etc. And supposedly Green Day is in that category as well.
Look, children....when I was young....and my heart was an open book, I used to say live and let live....(excuse me, I digress into song lyrics...see what happens when you get my age)..
when I was young the Super Bowl halftime shows were NOT The Rolling Stones, The Who or Bruce Springsteen. They weren't gearing those shows for the young people of my age.
No, they were giving us Andy Williams, Up With People, Carol Channing, and George Burns. Hell we had to wait until 1988 to get someone as current as Chubby Checker.
So, quit your bitchin'....and get ready for Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood or something like that if you want current.
(or else you will get Elton John)
Yea, I know who they are too. I know who The Sex Pistols are, I know who The Ramones are, I know who Buzzcock is etc. etc. And supposedly Green Day is in that category as well.
Look, children....when I was young....and my heart was an open book, I used to say live and let live....(excuse me, I digress into song lyrics...see what happens when you get my age)..
when I was young the Super Bowl halftime shows were NOT The Rolling Stones, The Who or Bruce Springsteen. They weren't gearing those shows for the young people of my age.
No, they were giving us Andy Williams, Up With People, Carol Channing, and George Burns. Hell we had to wait until 1988 to get someone as current as Chubby Checker.
So, quit your bitchin'....and get ready for Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood or something like that if you want current.
(or else you will get Elton John)
Exactly Gip- and you have it nailed. Those who are promoting Greenday may possibly be letting their personal preference in music color what the guys who call the shots for SB entertainment percieve as "broad appeal", just as those who are calling for a Rapper. Usher is about as far as they're going to go in that direction. Agreed about Beyonce (good choice there) and Bowie getting a show before Greenday. Personally, I wouldn't mind Ozzie Ozbourne or Metallica, but that's not what the SB Halftime show is about- and the powers that be would be deathly afraid either would accidentally (or intentionally) drop a few F-bombs during the show. LOL- the up and comers will get their shot when they're about as old as Madonna.
And regarding Neil Young- for the young'uns. He's in the R&R HOF for a reason. My best friend is a certified Rustie and has about everything Neil's ever done- and it's a lot. Admittedly, some of his newer stuff isn't very good- I thought Greendale pretty much sucked, and he's slowed down some (had a minor stroke) but when Greenday can match his body of work- they may get a shot- though personally if they're going to put a punk (or semi-punk) act up there- my money would be on the Pretenders first. .....
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Yeah, like Taco said. Rje best chance I have as far as rap goes is a Kanye / Jay-Z show, which I'm cool with
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Far from 16 buddy ...
How can you call Green Day a MTV promoted 1 hit wonder? and then tell me I know shit about real music.
Plain and simple 1 hit wonders don't last 20 years .... And at this point Foo Fighters have been around almost 20 years as well. They aren't simply making money off Kurt Cobain ... they are putting out good records. If they sucked they would have went away like sweet 75 (Kris Novaselic's band)
You might not like Foo, Green Day, or Pearl Jam which is fine because I am not a huge fan of them either, but it is ignorant to call them "MTV" made bands when they are still putting out "hit" records and selling out arena's in a time where MTV doesn't even play music.
**edit** Green Day has won 5 grammys and sold 65 million records world wide (which is crazy when you consider the second half of there career was in the middle of the digital age where everyone and there mother pirates music) not bad for an MTV promoted one hit wonder
OK, if you just want to go by record sales, then Green Day might be waiting until the last half of this century to get a spot, because they would be waiting behind all of the following whom I list here. These are acts that are A. Still alive (as far as I know) B. Still performing...though some acts may need to reform C. Have not yet played a SB halftime show (so groups like the Stones, The Who, Stevie Wonder, Madonna etc. are left off. D. Have sold as many or more than Green Day:
300 million in sales:
Led Zeppelin (Page/Plant)
Elton John
Queen (Adam Lambert joined up with them, and if anyone could mimic Freddie Mercury it is him.)
ABBA
200 Million in sales:
Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Pink Floyd
AC/DC
Bee Gees
150 Million in Sales:
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
Phil Collins/Genesis
Whitney Houston (did anthem, not halftime)
120 million:
The Eagles
Barbara Streisand
Garth Brooks
Bon Jovi
Chicago
Backstreet Boys
Dire Straits
David Bowie
100 million:
Metallica
Fleetwood Mac
Rod Stewart
Neil Diamond
Guns n Roses
Kenny Rogers
Julio Iglesias
George Michael
Bryan Adams
Lionel Richie
Cher
Tina Turner
Depeche Mode
Dolly Parton
75 million:
Eminem
Rihanna
Van Halen
Santana
Barry Manilow
Journey
Beyonce
Spice Girls
Eurythmics
65 million:
Kenny G
Bob Dylan
Meat Loaf
Shakira
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
Def Leppard
Beach Boys
Village People
Lady Gaga
Pearl Jam
Alannis Morrisette
Ricky Martin
Jethro Tull
Given the high profile of some of these acts, and not even counting up and comers like Taylor Swift or Coldplay...more "pop oriented" acts, it will be a long time before Green Day gets to the SB halftime show.
OK, if you just want to go by record sales, then Green Day might be waiting until the last half of this century to get a spot, because they would be waiting behind all of the following whom I list here. These are acts that are A. Still alive (as far as I know) B. Still performing...though some acts may need to reform C. Have not yet played a SB halftime show (so groups like the Stones, The Who, Stevie Wonder, Madonna etc. are left off. D. Have sold as many or more than Green Day:
300 million in sales:
Led Zeppelin (Page/Plant)
Elton John
Queen (Adam Lambert joined up with them, and if anyone could mimic Freddie Mercury it is him.)
ABBA
200 Million in sales:
Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Pink Floyd
AC/DC
Bee Gees
150 Million in Sales:
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
Phil Collins/Genesis
Whitney Houston (did anthem, not halftime)
120 million:
The Eagles
Barbara Streisand
Garth Brooks
Bon Jovi
Chicago
Backstreet Boys
Dire Straits
David Bowie
100 million:
Metallica
Fleetwood Mac
Rod Stewart
Neil Diamond
Guns n Roses
Kenny Rogers
Julio Iglesias
George Michael
Bryan Adams
Lionel Richie
Cher
Tina Turner
Depeche Mode
Dolly Parton
75 million:
Eminem
Rihanna
Van Halen
Santana
Barry Manilow
Journey
Beyonce
Spice Girls
Eurythmics
65 million:
Kenny G
Bob Dylan
Meat Loaf
Shakira
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
Def Leppard
Beach Boys
Village People
Lady Gaga
Pearl Jam
Alannis Morrisette
Ricky Martin
Jethro Tull
Given the high profile of some of these acts, and not even counting up and comers like Taylor Swift or Coldplay...more "pop oriented" acts, it will be a long time before Green Day gets to the SB halftime show.
I wasn't basing my entire argument solely on record sales. Also record sales are tricky because aside from Dookie which came out in 1994 all there other big records sales are skewed due to how big pirating music became. Still though I do not see Neil Young on that list. I am also well aware that he was in CS&N and Buffalo Springfield and they are huge bands and Young is a very well established artist in his own right. I am not disputing that. I am disputing that he doesn't have the commercial appeal to play a super bowl halftime. He just doesn't do it. I get the whole appealing to older crowd who watches the super bowl ... but the truth is Neil Young wouldn't appeal to the "younger" crowd at all. I also never compared Green Day to people like Zepplin, Queen, Elton John, or Pink Floyd or those artists that sold a stupid amount of records. But those artist also have tons more records to spread those sales out to and they sold them when people had no choice but to buy records and not get them for free.
If you asked me to throw $100 on Beyonce or Green Day I would probably go Beyonce ... If I had the choice to throw a $100 on Green Day or Neil Young I put my money on Green Day and don't even think twice.
You seem really set in your ways. And don't really seem to be much of a fan of music so this argument is not even worth having with you. I will just leave this at you thinking Coldplay is "up and coming" and "bigger" then Green Day.
Also ... with the black keys ... there is a huge difference between having your songs used in commercials, TV, and movies and a record being turned into a broadway show.
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