Fixing The O-Line Will Not Solve Much
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I continue to hear many misguided Browns fans say that we need to prioritize taking a chance on a unproven right tackle over taking a chance on an unproven quarterback. However, statistics show that the Browns offensive line should not take the majority of the blame for the sorry offensive output. The top passing teams were all over the spectrum in terms of sacks allowed. 3 of the top 10 passing teams (Packers, Cowboys and Steelers) allowed just as many or more sacks(41,39 and 42 sacks respectively) than the Browns(39) despite fewer passing attempts .
Yes its true that the top passing team the Saints allowed only 24 sacks. However, so did the middle of the road Titans. The difference is that the Saints totaled nearly 100 more passing YPG than the Titans. This is because the Saints have a much better QB than the Titans. Similarly, the Packers, Cowboys and Steelers have much better QB's than the Browns.
To me its very clear that the difference between success and failure in the passing game is not necessarily the offensive line, but the playmakers. And the biggest playmaker, the only one who touches the ball every play, is the quarterback. Therefore, it would be much wiser to take a chance on a QB than to take a chance on a RT. And by the way, Colt McCoy is not a good player and probably never will be.
I continue to hear many misguided Browns fans say
so every fan that doesn't agree with websterslaughter is a poor misguided fool.
And by the way, Colt McCoy is not a good player and probably never will be.
fuckin Retarded. he's done nothing but win since his h.s. football days. what a flamer for RG3 you Retards are. do you know how to read. then read this(sorry it's so long but i know some people don't like links):
Colt McCoy
He attended Jim Ned High School in Tuscola, Texas,[19] population 714,[18] where he was coached in football by his father, Brad McCoy. He achieved several distinctions as a high school player, including two-time Associated Press 2A Offensive MVP and First-team All-state selection.[19] Over his career, he completed 536-of-849 passes (63.1%) for 9,344 yards[20] and 116 TDs.[19] He ranks as the all-time leading passer in Texas Division 2A high school history and is fourth overall in Texas high school history.[21] McCoy also served as Jim Ned High School's punter as a junior and senior.[22] During his sophomore year, McCoy was also playing free safety. However, after he suffered a concussion on a tackle by 215-pound Bangs High School running back Jack Tripper (not to be confused with the Houston Texans wide receiver of the same name, nor with the character from the TV show Three's Company), his father decided not to let him play defense anymore. At the time Jim Ned was 8–0, but as McCoy missed the next two games due to the concussion, Jim Ned's season unraveled.[23] McCoy also played in the 2003 Texas 2A State Championship against the San Augustine Wolves. Jim Ned lost 28–7.
College career
2005 season
As a freshman, he was given a redshirt year so he did not play during the team's 2005 national championship season. He served as the quarterback for the scout team in practice against the starting defense. During this time, he was officially listed as the number three quarterback behind Vince Young and Matt Nordgren. Instead of Colt, Brown chose to play Matt Nordgren[24] in four separate game situations where Texas had a commanding lead. This led to confusion on the parts of many sportscasters, as they would mistakenly refer to Nordgren as Matt McCoy whenever Matt would enter a game since Colt was third on the depth chart.[25] With Young forgoing his senior year to enter the NFL, and with Nordgren graduating, the position of starting quarterback for the defending National Champion Texas Longhorns fell to Colt McCoy for the 2006 football season after he won the job over true freshman Jevan Snead.[26]
[edit] 2006 season
McCoy hands off to Jamaal Charles vs. Ohio State
2006 season was the year for Colt McCoy as he finally became the starter for the University of Texas.In the season opener on September 2, 2006, he led the Longhorns to a 56–7 victory over North Texas, throwing three touchdown passes, rushing one yard for a touchdown, and throwing no interceptions. He was 12-19 in passing, and ran for 27 yards to help set up a touchdown. During the game, McCoy threw a 60 yard touchdown pass on only his second pass as a college quarterback. He was the first Texas freshman quarterback to start and win a season-opening game since Bobby Layne in 1944.[18] The next week, the Longhorns faced #1 Ohio State at home. McCoy went 19-32, 156 yards, one TD, and one INT while rushing four times for a total of eight yards. Ohio State defeated the Longhorns 24–7, ending the Longhorns 21-game winning streak.
Following wins over Rice, Iowa State, and Sam Houston State, McCoy got his first win over a ranked team, as well as his first come-from-behind victory, when he threw two touchdowns, and led the Longhorns to defeat Oklahoma 28–10 in the Red River Shootout on October 7, 2006.[27] The two touchdowns by McCoy gave him 12 touchdown passes for the season, tied for third with Longhorn passer James Brown in the list of most touchdowns by a Texas freshman.[28]
On October 14, 2006 McCoy threw a Texas record six touchdown passes in the win against Baylor.[29][30] The previous record of five touchdown passes had been held by James Brown (set vs. Baylor in 1994) and Chris Simms (vs. Oklahoma State in 2001). On October 25, 2006, he was 9th in the nation with a quarterback rating of 165.4.
In the 2006 Oklahoma State game McCoy threw for his 27th passing touchdown of the season, giving him sole possession of the single-season Texas record and putting him two TD's shy of the NCAA single season record for freshman quarterbacks (29).[31] Coincidentally, this 27th pass was also for 27 yards.
During the November 11, 2006, game against Kansas State, McCoy suffered a stinger shoulder injury[32][33][34] while rushing for a touchdown against Kansas State.[35] The Longhorns lost in an upset to the Wildcats 45–42. There was speculation that Snead might be the starter for the final regular season game, because it was unknown whether McCoy would return for the Longhorns season closer against rival Texas A&M on November 24, 2006.[36][37][38] However, McCoy was cleared to play the game against the Aggies.[39]
McCoy prior to being taken off the field near the end of the Texas A&M game
With 20 seconds remaining in the Lone Star Showdown versus the Aggies, McCoy was injured by a "vicious, stadium-hushing tackle"[40] as Aggie defensive end Michael Bennett connected with his helmet against McCoy's upper body after McCoy had thrown an incomplete pass.[41] Replays showed both on television and in the stadium revealed the hit might have included "helmet-to-helmet"[42] contact which is illegal in NCAA football only if done intentionally,[43] but no flag was thrown. When the replay was shown in the stadium, the Longhorn fans erupted in boos[44] before lapsing back into silence as McCoy lay on the ground writhing for ten minutes before being taken off the field on a cart.[45] Mack Brown said after the game "I didn't see it, but it sounded like 88,000 (fans) thought it was dirty."[41][44] Fellow Longhorn Selvin Young said he thought the hit was a clean "textbook" hit.[46]
McCoy in 2006
McCoy was taken to Breckenridge Hospital where he spent more than three hours undergoing an evaluation that included an X-Ray, MRI, and a CAT scan.[41][47] Longhorns trainer Kenny Boyd said the injury was a severe pinched nerve in McCoy's neck.[41][47] Boyd said that McCoy was expected to make a full recovery, but no timetable was set for McCoy to return to play.[41][47] The injury to McCoy came one game-clock minute after an A&M player, #91 Kellen Heard had been ejected from the game for vicious blindside block on McCoy after he threw an interception, which was ruled excessive.[48][49][50] An X-Ray, MRI exam and CT scan showed "no structural damage to McCoy's neck or shoulder", said Dr. Carey Windler, the team's orthopedic surgeon.
On December 1, 2006, the Longhorns issued a statement confirming that back-up quarterback Jevan Snead had left the team and would transfer to an unspecified school;[51] this meant there would be no scholarship quarterback ready to play in the Longhorns' bowl game if McCoy was not ready. On December 21, 2006, Texas announced that McCoy was cleared to start in the Alamo Bowl for Texas on Saturday, December 30.[52] in the 2006 Alamo Bowl on December 30, McCoy threw two touchdowns against Iowa to tie the NCAA freshman record of 29 touchdown passes established by Nevada's David Neill in 1998. This record has since been broken by Oklahoma's Sam Bradford in the 2007 season.[53]
[edit] 2007 season
McCoy on the sidelines during the home loss to Kansas State
After just one season with Texas, McCoy received a lot of media attention, including appearing on some lists of the nation's top players of 2007. In June 2007, McCoy appeared on the cover of Dave Campbell's Texas Football alongside Texas A&M quarterback Stephen McGee and TCU defensive end Tommy Blake. Additionally, Rivals.com named McCoy one of the top-10 quarterbacks going into the 2007 season.[54] He also made the Athlon Sports first-team All Big 12.[55]
On June 26, 2007, Maxwell Football Club president Ron Jaworski announced that McCoy had been named to the preseason watch list for the Maxwell Award. The initial list includes 64 players. The winner turned out to be Tim Tebow.[56] In their 2007 season preview magazine, CBS Sportsline.com listed McCoy as one of 12 players on the “Heisman Watch”; saying “We were touting him for the Heisman midway through his freshman season until he was injured against Kansas State. Older and stronger, McCoy has an awesome receiving corps to make a run at the hardware for real.”[57][57] He is also one of the 35 quarterbacks placed on the 2007 Manning Award watch list.[58] Further, the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award Watch List added McCoy on August 21, 2007.[59]
McCoy led the Longhorns, who were ranked number four in the pre-season Associated Press Poll[60] and Coaches Poll,[61] to a 21–13 victory over unranked Arkansas State in the season opener. McCoy threw two touchdown passes and two interceptions.[62] He also made two quick-kick punts when the Longhorns lined up as if they were attempting to convert on fourth down. He averaged thirty yards per kick and both kicks were downed inside the opponent's twenty yard-line.[22] In the second game, McCoy led the Longhorns to a 34–13 victory over #19-ranked TCU.[63]
The road opener was the first game ever played in the new home stadium of the UCF Knights. McCoy's 47 passing attempts tied a Texas single-game record. His 32 completions set a new school record, besting the 30 completed by Vince Young during the 2006 Rose Bowl and by Major Applewhite during two 1999 games.[64] The final non-conference game was against Rice, and McCoy completed 20 of his 29 passing attempts, accumulating 333 yards through the air.[65] For the first time in the season, he did not throw an interception.[66] McCoy and most of the Longhorn starting players were replaced by backups after the first drive of the second half.[65][67] True freshman quarterback John Chiles made his first college appearance in the first quarter. He came onto the field beside McCoy and then McCoy trotted out to a slot receiver position. Chiles never looked to pass; he ran up the middle for no gain. He came out of the game after that play and came back in the third quarter as McCoy's replacement. On that drive, Chiles line up in the zone-read offense and led the Longhorns 80 yards to a touchdown, carrying the ball 4 times for 49 yards.[68] Chiles' strong performance immediately led to media speculation as to how much playing time he will take from McCoy.[66][69]
McCoy played the worst game of his career in an upset loss to the Kansas State Wildcats; He threw for 200 yards and had four interceptions.[70][71] He also suffered a concussion during the game and left the field just prior to the end of the first half and again prior to the end of the game.[71] After that game, Sports Illustrated selected him as one of the season's 10 "Most Disappointing College Players" and noted that he his nine interceptions thrown so far in 2007 were already two more than he threw in the entire 2006 season.[9] Stewart Mandel of Sports Illustrated listed several factors contributing to the Longhorns struggles. He cited the off-field problems as evidence that no Texas player has been able to show the superior leadership skills of Vince Young. Mandel said that McCoy, still only a sophomore, had not been able to completely fill that gap and that McCoy's play had not been as good as during 2006. He also said part of the blame is to be placed on an offensive line that lost several starters and has not been able to consistently protect McCoy. Finally, he noted that the running game had been "equally inconsistent."[72] It was the worst home-field loss in Mack Brown's time with Texas. For the Wildcats, the win over Texas was the first road victory over a top–ten team in school history.[73]
McCoy and back-up quarterback John Chiles at the Red River Shootout
McCoy and the Longhorns lost again the following week, in the 2007 Red River Shootout. The game was a back-and-forth affair that was ultimately won by Oklahoma 28–21. OU's freshman quarterback, Sam Bradford, was 21–of–32 for 244 yards and 3 touchdowns. McCoy was 19–of–26 for 324 yards and two touchdowns. McCoy threw one interception.[74] McCoy played the game with his throwing arm bandaged from mid-forearm to biceps. He held up physically despite taking four sacks[75] and a blind-side late hit after one play had been whistled dead.[74][76][77] With the loss, Texas opened conference play 0–2 for the first time since 1956, when they were in the Southwest Conference and one year before Darrell Royal became head coach of the Longhorns.[74][78]
The Longhorns were in control of the Iowa State game almost from the very beginning and they routed the Cyclones 56–3, the worst loss for the Cyclones since 1997.[79][80] Lined up in the spread offense on the first play from scrimmage,[81] Colt McCoy scrambled away from a blitz and threw a pass to Jordan Shipley for a 58 yard touchdown.[82] The offensive line provided great protection for Colt McCoy,[80] who called most of the plays without huddling and directed the Longhorns to touchdowns on his first five series.[83] He completed 23 of 30 passes for 298 yards, 4 touchdowns, and no interceptions.[83] His most athletic play came early in the third quarter when he evaded three defenders on a play from the Cyclones' 20-yardline. He twisted around and managed to stay upright long enough to throw a pass to Nate Jones in the end zone. He capped off his performance by making his first rushing touchdown of the season,[79] a career-long, 44 yard run in the third quarter. The play was designed to be a screen pass to the fullback. Mack Brown said, "Colt was as good today as I've ever seen him."[82] Brown also praised McCoy for taking on more of a leadership role with the team.[84] The Austin American-Statesman said, "Colt McCoy is shedding his sophomore slump. In the past two games, he is 42 of 56 passing for 622 yards with six passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown and just one interception. That translates to a quarterback rating of 200.1."[81] However, against Baylor on October 20, Colt would go on to throw 2 interceptions and 1 touchdown, and against Nebraska the following week, McCoy completed less than 50% of his passes and threw another interception. On the day after Thanksgiving, McCoy was 17 of 32 with 1 interception, while be sacked 4 times in the 38-30 loss to Texas A&M. At the conclusion of the 2007 regular season, Mccoy had thrown for 21 touchdowns and 18 interceptions.
In the 2007 Holiday Bowl, McCoy led the Longhorns to a 52–34 victory and won the offensive-player MVP award.[85]
[edit] 2008 season
On January 2, 2008 UT running back Jamaal Charles decided to forgo his senior season with Texas in favor of joining the NFL as a professional football player in the 2008 NFL Draft. With Charles' departure, McCoy became the leading returning rusher for the 2008 Longhorns.[86]
McCoy rose in the record books during the first four games of the season. On August 30, 2008 McCoy passed for 222 yards and rushed for 103 yards against FAU, becoming the 2nd player in UT history to pass for 200 and rush for 100 yards in more than one game; the other being Vince Young. On September 20 Colt McCoy surpassed the Texas All-Time record for the most passing TD's with 62 while beating Rice 52–10. The record was previously held by Major Applewhite.[12] Through the first four games of 2008, McCoy completed 80% of his passes and had a quarterback rating of 209.71.[87]
Colt McCoy about to throw a 65-yard touchdown pass to Chris Ogbonnaya in the win over Colorado.
The Longhorns opened conference play against the Colorado Buffaloes and UT won 38–14. McCoy threw for two touchdowns and moved past Ricky Williams into second on Texas' all-time list for touchdowns responsible for (passing, rushing, receiving). McCoy at that point had 77, while Williams had 76 with the Horns.[88] UT continued conference play by defeating #1 ranked Oklahoma Sooners in the 2008 Texas vs. Oklahoma football game. McCoy was 28 for 35 for 277 yards and one touchdown,[89] bringing Texas to the position of the #1 in the AP poll for the first time since 1984. (passing Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma, and LSU.)
On October 18, against Missouri, McCoy completed the game with 337 yards on 29-of-32 passing with two touchdowns, rushed for two more and at one point completed a school-record 17 passes in a row. His completion ratio of 79% coming into the game improved as he completed 91% of his passes in this game. His four touchdowns put him alone in first place for the most career touchdowns scored at Texas (82), passing Vince Young (81).[14]
McCoy throws a pass against Baylor.
UT lost to Texas Tech with one second remaining in the game. McCoy gave a good performance but came up short as his Red Raider counterpart, Graham Harrell had an outstanding day. Following that loss, UT fell to #4 in the BCS rankings. They climbed to #3 the following week as the Horns beat Baylor and former #3 Penn State lost. The win over Baylor was the 829th win for the UT football program, which tied Notre Dame for 2nd in the list of college football's ten most victorious programs.[90]
McCoy led the Longhorns to a 35–7 road victory over the Kansas, ensuring their eighth consecutive season with ten or more wins per season. That is the longest active streak in the nation and it ties them with Miami (1985–92) for the second-longest streak of all-time. It was Colt McCoy's 30th career win, which tied him with Vince Young for the school record.[13] McCoy completed 24 of 35 passing attempts (71%) for 255 yards and 2 touchdown passes. He was also the leading rusher for both schools, rushing for 78 yards and a touchdown.[91] McCoy's two touchdown passes put him at 31 for the season, breaking his own school record.[13]
McCoy had another great performance against in-state rival Texas A&M in the final game of the regular season. This is the longest running rivalry both schools and the biggest margin of victory in the history of the rivalry occurred when Texas beat A&M 48–0 in 1898.[15] McCoy and the Longhorns nearly equaled that record this year by producing a 49–9 victory, the second-largest margin of victory for this rivalry series.
The win was the 31st for Colt McCoy, setting a new school record.[15] McCoy rushed for 2 touchdowns and threw for 2 more. He completed 23 of 28 attempted passes (82%) for a total of 311 yards. That yardage put him at 3,594 yards for the season - another school record.[15] His longest pass of the evening, 68 yarder on a post route to Jordan Shipley late in the third quarter, ended up a yard short of being McCoy’s fifth touchdown of the evening.
On January 5, 2009, McCoy led the Longhorns to 24–21 victory over Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. McCoy completed 41-of-59 passes for 414 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. He was named the Offensive Player of the Game for his performance.[92]
2009 season
In his final season, McCoy led the Texas Longhorns to a perfect 12–0 regular season record, as well as a 13-12 victory over the Nebraska Cornhuskers to win the Big 12 Championship in Cowboys Stadium.[93] While becoming the winningest quarterback in NCAA history with 45 career wins, McCoy was again the focal point of the Longhorn offense that scored 550 points in 2009, ranked third in UT All-Time season scoring (behind only the 2005, and 2008 teams). McCoy led a fast paced offense, with accurate, short passes in his repertoire. The Texas offense executed a total of 1,053 plays in 14 games played in 2009. His favorite target is #8 WR Jordan Shipley, who is now with the NFL with the Cincinnati Bengals.
McCoy left the 2010 BCS National Championship Game against Alabama during the first quarter with a right shoulder injury and was sidelined for the remainder of the game. McCoy was replaced by true freshman quarterback Garrett Gilbert. Alabama would go on to win the game 37-21.
[edit] Statistics
As of the end of the 2009 season, McCoy's statistics are as follows:[87]
Passing Rushing
Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD
2006 Texas 13 161.8 318 217 68.2 2,570 29 7 68 170 2
2007 Texas 13 139.2 424 276 65.1 3,303 22 18 114 510 4
2008 Texas 13 173.75 433 332 76.7 3,859 34 8 136 561 11
2009 Texas 14 147.41 470 332 70.6 3,521 27 12 129 348 3
Totals 53 158.25 1,645 1,157 70.3 13,253 112 45 447 1,589 20
In the seventh game of 2008, he completed 91%.[14] He finished the 2008 regular season with a 76.7% completion percentage, breaking the mark set by Daunte Culpepper for Central Florida, and was the Longhorns' leading rusher with 576 yards and 11 rushing touchdowns.[3]
Records
* UT - Total Touchdowns, Career: 132 (Broke record on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri)[14]
* UT - Touchdown Passes, Career: 112 (Broke record on September 20, 2008 versus Rice)[12]
* UT - Touchdown Passes, Season: 34, (Broke own record of 29 on November 15, 2008 vs. the Kansas Jayhawks) [13]
* UT - Touchdown Passes, Game: 6, (October 14, 2006 versus Baylor)
* UT - Passing Completions, Game: 41, (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)[64]
* UT - Consecutive Passing Completions, Game: 18 (October 25, 2008 versus Oklahoma State (surpassed his own record of 17 on October 18, 2008 versus Missouri).[14]
* UT - Career Wins by a Starting Quarterback: 45 (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Vince Young, also most career wins in FBS history)[15]
* UT - Passing Yards, Season: 3,859 yards (November 27, 2008 vs. Texas A&M, surpassed Major Applewhite)[15]
* UT - Passing Attempts, Game: 58(Tie), (January 5, 2009 versus Ohio State Buckeyes)[64]
* NCAA - Highest Single Season completion percentage: 76.7%.[95]
* NCAA - Colt McCoy is one of the three FBS quarterbacks to average 10 wins per season for four seasons.
College awards and honors
* 2006 "All Freshman Team" by College Football News[8]
* 2006 “National Freshman of the Year” by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus[96]
* 2006 Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.[21]
* 2006 Valero Alamo Bowl Offensive MVP
* 2008 Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Offensive MVP
* 2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press[97]
* 2008 Second-team All-Big 12 by the Associated Press[98]
* 2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation[99]
* 2008 First-team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation,[100] FWAA,[101] and Sports Illustrated[102]
* 2008 Archie Griffin Award[103]
* 2008 co-Sporting News Player of the Year[104]
* 2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up [105]
* 2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP
* 2009 First-team All-American by Associated Press, AFCA, FWAA,[106] Walter Camp Foundation,[107] Rivals.com, Scout.com
* 2009 First-team All-Big 12 [108]
* 2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year [108]
* 2009 NCAA Quarterback of the Year [109]
* 2009 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award [110]
* 2009 Davey O'Brien Award
* 2009 Manning Award
* 2009 Chic Harley Award [109]
* 2009 Maxwell Award
* 2009 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
* 2009 Sporting News College Athlete of the Year
* 2009 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year [111]
* Texas Longhorns #12 retired
Candidate for Heisman and other national awards
McCoy was mentioned as a Heisman Trophy candidate in his freshman year (2006)[112][113] and he appeared on the Athlon Sports pre-season Heisman watch at the start of the 2007 season.[112]
The talk has become more widespread his junior year as McCoy has been mentioned by several analysts and voters as a potential 2008 Heisman winner. McCoy was the unanimous front-runner in an October 20 poll of 10 Heisman voters conducted by the Rocky Mountain News.[114] Tim Tebow, quarterback of the Florida Gators, has a vote as the 2007 winner. Seven games into the season he said that McCoy would have his vote at that point in the season.[115]
In the 45–21 victory over Baylor, McCoy passed for 300 yards and five touchdowns.[116] The Associated Press story commented, "And McCoy likely refueled his Heisman Trophy bid by completing 26 of 37 passes for his fourth 300-yard game this season, and eighth of his career, even without playing the final 12 minutes. The touchdowns went to four different receivers, though he did have two interceptions."[116]
On November 11 (with UT holding an 8-1 record) Heisman voter Rodney Gilmore of ESPN.com had McCoy listed third of five Heisman candidates. Gilmore said, "I love his numbers (78 percent completion percentage, 28 TDs, only 7 interceptions and 2,879 yards) and his gutsy second-half performance against Texas Tech. And I have not forgotten about his epic performance against Oklahoma just a few weeks ago. However, Harrell outplayed McCoy head-to-head in the showdown last week, so Harrell has a leg up on him for now, but McCoy is within striking distance."[117] That same day, the Rocky Mountain News poll listed Harrell first and McCoy second in their weekly poll of 10 Heisman voters. Harrell received 44 points and 7 first-place votes while McCoy had 34 points and 2 first-place votes.[118]
After Oklahoma beat Texas Tech, Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford barely took the lead in the Rocky Mountain News poll of 10 Heisman Trophy voters. The Austin American-Statesman reported, "Bradford leads Texas’ Colt McCoy by just one point. In terms of first-place votes, Bradford received five, while McCoy received three. The others went to Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell, who had led the poll since Tech’s win over Texas, and Florida’s Tim Tebow, last year’s Heisman winner."[119]
On November 25, 2008 Colt McCoy was named one of three finalists for the Maxwell Award, which is presented to the top all-around player in the country. The other finalists were Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, last year's winner, and Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell. Oklahoma's Sam Bradford was not selected as a finalist. McCoy also was named a finalist for the Davey O'Brien Award, which goes to the country's top quarterback. Bradford and Harrell were the other two candidates; Tebow did not make the list for this award.[120]
After Colt McCoy led the Longhorns to a defeat over rival, unranked Texas A&M (a team he had lost to twice in the past), Sports Illustrated analyst Stewart Mandel said the quarterback took a big step towards claiming the Heisman Trophy. Mandel wrote, "From the Longhorns' opening touchdown drive, in which he accounted for 67 of Texas' 80 yards, McCoy was very much the one-man wrecking crew he's been all season long...His final numbers in just over three quarters of work Thursday night: 23-of-28 passing for 311 yards and two touchdowns and 11 rushes for 49 yards, with touchdown runs of 16 and 14 yards. For the season, McCoy now has a 77.6 completion percentage (soon to be a new NCAA record) for 3,445 yards, 32 touchdowns and seven interceptions, plus 476 yards and 13 TDs running"[121] Comparing McCoy to fellow Big 12 South quarterbacks Sam Bradford and Graham Harrell, Mandel said, "But here's where McCoy stands out to me. Bradford, as talented as he is, is helped by the fact he has a trio of explosive receivers and two potential 1,000-yard rushers behind him. Harrell has Michael Crabtree. Daniel has Jeremy Maclin. With all due respect to Jordan Shipley and Quan Cosby, McCoy is Texas' offense. Much like Tim Tebow last season, he's both his team's leading passer and rusher. Also like Tebow—you have to wonder sometimes how he's still standing. McCoy was sacked three times Thursday night and endured several brutal hits. Following his third-quarter touchdown run, trainers attended to his shoulder on the sideline. But he was right back in there the next series."[121] Bradford and Harrell each had one regular-season game left, against Oklahoma State and Baylor, respectively. Tebow had games remaining against Florida State and Alabama.[121]
In the final 2008 Rocky Mountain News poll before the Heisman votes were announced, McCoy moved to the top of the list, but had a very thin lead over Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow, who were in second and third place, respectively. The poll had correctly predicted the Heisman winner in 18 of the previous 21 years.[122] On December 10, McCoy, Bradford, and Tebow were selected as the three finalists for the Heisman Trophy.[3] Bradford won the trophy with 1,726 total points, and McCoy finished second with 1,604 points in the Heisman voting.[123]
2008 Heisman Trophy Finalist Voting Finalist First place votes
(3 pts. each) Second place votes
(2 pts. each) Third place votes
(1 pt. each)
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Damn! That was not the normal drunken rambling of MIK he's laying down some facts. Very nice!!!!
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c-dawg said:
C'mon. Really?
Tom Brady - 6th Round.
Joe Montana - 3rd Round.
Checkmate.
Next!
They are exceptions. Over 50% of all Super Bowls have been won by first rounders. Sorry.
They are exceptions. Over 50% of all Super Bowls have been won by first rounders. Sorry.
Like someone said already, that means about 47% have been won by non-first-rounders. Looks like a little better than a coin flip.
Also, don't be sorry. They are pretty awesome exceptions and do challenge your 3rd round disdain appropriately. They won seven out of 46. You like percentages obviously, so that is about 15% of all Super Bowls right there. Exceptional exceptions one might say.
One of the 53% who won was named Trent Dilfer. So I'd say it is an inexact science that you are practicing.
Moreover, (this is a quote):
Bradshaw was the first player selected in the 1970 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers; Bradshaw was hailed at the time as the consensus number one pick, regardless of which team drafted him.
Bradshaw became a starter one year after he was drafted in 1970. During his first several seasons, the 6'3", 215 lb. quarterback was erratic, threw many interceptions (he threw 210 interceptions over the course of his career) and was widely ridiculed by the media for his rural roots and perceived lack of intelligence. It took Bradshaw a few seasons to adjust to the pro game but once he did...
Sometimes even the vaunted first-rounders need a (real) chance.
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What Colt (or any player for that matter) did in HS or college as far as stats and W/L has very little (practically nothing) to do with how successful or not successful they will be at the NFL level (or really how "good" they actually are). By this logic Kellen Moore should be the #1 pick instead of Luck. When in reality Lucks chance at NFL success are far greater at the NFL then Kellen Moore. Why? Because of the actual skill sets they have to succeed at the highest level of their sports.
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They are exceptions. Over 50% of all Super Bowls have been won by first rounders. Sorry.
Like someone said already, that means about 47% have been won by non-first-rounders. Looks like a little better than a coin flip.
Also, don't be sorry. They are pretty awesome exceptions and do challenge your 3rd round disdain appropriately. They won seven out of 46. You like percentages obviously, so that is about 15% of all Super Bowls right there. Exceptional exceptions one might say.
One of the 53% who won was named Trent Dilfer. So I'd say it is an inexact science that you are practicing.
Moreover, (this is a quote):
Bradshaw was the first player selected in the 1970 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers; Bradshaw was hailed at the time as the consensus number one pick, regardless of which team drafted him.
Bradshaw became a starter one year after he was drafted in 1970. During his first several seasons, the 6'3", 215 lb. quarterback was erratic, threw many interceptions (he threw 210 interceptions over the course of his career) and was widely ridiculed by the media for his rural roots and perceived lack of intelligence. It took Bradshaw a few seasons to adjust to the pro game but once he did...
Sometimes even the vaunted first-rounders need a (real) chance.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......webster...webster....you just got bicht slapped.c-dawg said:
Like someone said already, that means about 47% have been won by non-first-rounders. Looks like a little better than a coin flip.
Also, don't be sorry. They are pretty awesome exceptions and do challenge your 3rd round disdain appropriately. They won seven out of 46. You like percentages obviously, so that is about 15% of all Super Bowls right there. Exceptional exceptions one might say.
One of the 53% who won was named Trent Dilfer. So I'd say it is an inexact science that you are practicing.
Moreover, (this is a quote):
Bradshaw was the first player selected in the 1970 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers; Bradshaw was hailed at the time as the consensus number one pick, regardless of which team drafted him.
Bradshaw became a starter one year after he was drafted in 1970. During his first several seasons, the 6'3", 215 lb. quarterback was erratic, threw many interceptions (he threw 210 interceptions over the course of his career) and was widely ridiculed by the media for his rural roots and perceived lack of intelligence. It took Bradshaw a few seasons to adjust to the pro game but once he did...
Sometimes even the vaunted first-rounders need a (real) chance.
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An overwhelming 82.6 percent of all Super Bowls (38 of 46) have included at least one first-round starting quarterback. That includes the past nine in a row, indicative of the position only growing in importance and as a factor in reaching this game.
In nearly one in four SBs (11 of 46, or 23.9 percent), both QBs were 1R-pedigreed.
First-round draftees in fact account for more than half of all Super Bowl starting quarterbacks — 49 of 92, or 53.3 percent.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/05/2625171_p2/first-round-quarterbacks-have.html#storylink=cpy
So if what your saying is true about first round qbs, why cant we wait till next year to sell out for Matt Barkley. If hed been in this years draft I really dont think wed be having an RG3 discussion. HE IS BETTER SORRY RG3 HOMERS.
Trade down get more pieces to the damaged puzzle, more draft picks (012 @ 013) and set yourself up like you did this year.
Never ever bring a high first rounder to a struggling franchise like the browns. We've seen that mistake time and time again not just by us but other franchises. One more year of Solid cant miss picks, a few nice free agent pickups and we should be ready to sell high quality draft picks for a True Franchise type QB Barkley not flash in the pan guys like Rg3.
BTW if Barkley would have come out youd probly be in position to draft him or luck. Not RG3 in the 4 hole, and I will quit watching if we move up to grab "Flash Griffin". U gonna move up to grab his dumb azz you better move all the way and get the only A qb in the draft.
So if what your saying is true about first round qbs, why cant we wait till next year to sell out for Matt Barkley. If hed been in this years draft I really dont think wed be having an RG3 discussion. HE IS BETTER SORRY RG3 HOMERS.
Never ever bring a high first rounder to a struggling franchise like the browns. We've seen that mistake time and time again not just by us but other franchises. One more year of Solid cant miss picks, a few nice free agent pickups and we should be ready to sell high quality draft picks for a True Franchise type QB Barkley not flash in the pan guys like Rg3.
BTW if Barkley would have come out youd probly be in position to draft him or luck. Not RG3 in the 4 hole, and I will quit watching if we move up to grab "Flash Griffin". U gonna move up to grab his dumb azz you better move all the way and get the only A qb in the draft.
That Barkley is better than RGIII is debatable. And should the Browns fill holes and end up say 7-9, they're not going to have anywhere close to enough ammunition to move into the top 3, much less #1 overall for Barkley. Don't think the Dolphins would love to move up for RGIII? It would cost them their first, second, and third rounders- plus the first rounder next year. The Browns would potentially have to do the same to move up for Barkley in 2013. Still interested?
Regarding the red, Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning say you're wrong.
Yes, some high picks got beaten to death (Couch, Carr) but the majority of the high qb picks that flopped were head cases (Russell, Leaf) or just plain lacked talent (Harrington, Akilii Smith).
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i'm back in.
guys, this is a piss over here or piss over there thread. the line is been pretty straightly drawn before the last snap the browns took this past year. after this being about the 50th thread about our 1st draft pick at number 4 and who that pick should be.....well we've got a couple of months left on that one and it's either RG3 or trade down. that would be the practical move if no taking RG3 if he's there?
then we know it's a CB or DE or WR. then it's repeat rinse and recycle.
for all you thrill seekers...if i were to do a browns blow me outta the water move it would be our #4 and #22 plus hillis and massaquoi and next year's #1 for ANDREW LUCK and MATHIS.
goodnite!
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i'm back in.
guys, this is a piss over here or piss over there thread. the line is been pretty straightly drawn before the last snap the browns took this past year. after this being about the 50th thread about our 1st draft pick at number 4 and who that pick should be.....well we've got a couple of months left on that one and it's either RG3 or trade down. that would be the practical move if no taking RG3 if he's there?
then we know it's a CB or DE or WR. then it's repeat rinse and recycle.
for all you thrill seekers...if i were to do a browns blow me outta the water move it would be our #4 and #22 plus hillis and massaquoi and next year's #1 for ANDREW LUCK and MATHIS.
goodnite!
i'm back in.
for all you thrill seekers...if i were to do a browns blow me outta the water move it would be our #4 and #22 plus hillis and massaquoi and next year's #1 for ANDREW LUCK and MATHIS.
goodnite!
I know you're kidding. Irsay would get run out of town on a rail if Manning gets released and they don't draft Luck. In reality it would probably take both our firsts, a second and either Joe Thomas or Haden to even get the Colts mildly interested- and that's just for Luck. -
Ghoolie hit the nail on the head. I don't get why (especially at the beginning of the season) everyone gets the "it's a new team", "the guys are excited", "it feels different." Baloney! Some people will continue to be happy eating at the shit buffet. Personally I want to taste the steak before I say it's good. Not just look at it and say this is a great steak. Yummy yum yum...
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I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board who would rather take the low odds of a late round QB winning a Super Bowl than the overwhelmingly higher odds of a 1st-round QB winning the Super Bowl. Over 50% of Super Bowl winners have come from 1 round. Remember that there are 7 rounds in today's NFL and there used to be more in the past. Also you have to add in undrafted free agents. That means that after you leave the first round, the odds of finding a winning QB in any given round decrease dramatically. Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
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I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board who would rather take the low odds of a late round QB winning a Super Bowl than the overwhelmingly higher odds of a 1st-round QB winning the Super Bowl. Over 50% of Super Bowl winners have come from 1 round. Remember that there are 7 rounds in today's NFL and there used to be more in the past. Also you have to add in undrafted free agents. That means that after you leave the first round, the odds of finding a winning QB in any given round decrease dramatically. Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board who would rather take the low odds of a late round QB winning a Super Bowl than the overwhelmingly higher odds of a 1st-round QB winning the Super Bowl. Over 50% of Super Bowl winners have come from 1 round. .... Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
Web, you have some valid points and good numbers, just a bad adverb. Arguments like this "force of history" type that you adhere to are great for general guidelines, it just gets a little messier when the specifics of the situations come into play.
"Overwhelmingly" is a reach, because it refers to something higher than 50% by definition (unless you are talking presidential elections). Coins don't land on heads an overwhelming amount of times, for example. Seriously though, 50% is pretty damn good, rest on that simple point and open up to the fact that the other 47% or so had some good success too and I'll say strong post.
Until then: Roger Staubach was a 10th rounder. JP Losman? Another stellar first rounder that didn't sniff the SB. Kurt Warner? Undrafted. Fran Tarkenton - 3rd Rounder. Joe Theisman, fourth rounder, but SIGNED in Canada (neat twist). I'll close with Ryan Leaf - 1st round GOLD!
PS: thrash you in Math and Poker. $ in the bank
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I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board who would rather take the low odds of a late round QB winning a Super Bowl than the overwhelmingly higher odds of a 1st-round QB winning the Super Bowl. Over 50% of Super Bowl winners have come from 1 round. .... Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
Web, you have some valid points and good numbers, just a bad adverb. Arguments like this "force of history" type that you adhere to are great for general guidelines, it just gets a little messier when the specifics of the situations come into play.
"Overwhelmingly" is a reach, because it refers to something higher than 50% by definition (unless you are talking presidential elections). Coins don't land on heads an overwhelming amount of times, for example. Seriously though, 50% is pretty damn good, rest on that simple point and open up to the fact that the other 47% or so had some good success too and I'll say strong post.
Until then: Roger Staubach was a 10th rounder. JP Losman? Another stellar first rounder that didn't sniff the SB. Kurt Warner? Undrafted. Fran Tarkenton - 3rd Rounder. Joe Theisman, fourth rounder, but SIGNED in Canada (neat twist). I'll close with Ryan Leaf - 1st round GOLD!
PS: thrash you in Math and Poker. $ in the bank
c-dawg said:
Web, you have some valid points and good numbers, just a bad adverb. Arguments like this "force of history" type that you adhere to are great for general guidelines, it just gets a little messier when the specifics of the situations come into play.
"Overwhelmingly" is a reach, because it refers to something higher than 50% by definition (unless you are talking presidential elections). Coins don't land on heads an overwhelming amount of times, for example. Seriously though, 50% is pretty damn good, rest on that simple point and open up to the fact that the other 47% or so had some good success too and I'll say strong post.
Until then: Roger Staubach was a 10th rounder. JP Losman? Another stellar first rounder that didn't sniff the SB. Kurt Warner? Undrafted. Fran Tarkenton - 3rd Rounder. Joe Theisman, fourth rounder, but SIGNED in Canada (neat twist). I'll close with Ryan Leaf - 1st round GOLD!
PS: thrash you in Math and Poker. $ in the bank
C-dawg I was referring to the first round compared to any given round, and not all other rounds and free agents combined. You likely just misunderstood my point. For example, I was saying that there's a greater than 50% chance that a first round QB won any given Super Bowl, while there is probably a 5% chance that any given Super Bowl was won by a 4th rounder. I don't want to get into a probability class and start pulling out the n! equations. They can make your head hurt.
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c-dawg said:
Web, you have some valid points and good numbers, just a bad adverb. Arguments like this "force of history" type that you adhere to are great for general guidelines, it just gets a little messier when the specifics of the situations come into play.
"Overwhelmingly" is a reach, because it refers to something higher than 50% by definition (unless you are talking presidential elections). Coins don't land on heads an overwhelming amount of times, for example. Seriously though, 50% is pretty damn good, rest on that simple point and open up to the fact that the other 47% or so had some good success too and I'll say strong post.
Until then: Roger Staubach was a 10th rounder. JP Losman? Another stellar first rounder that didn't sniff the SB. Kurt Warner? Undrafted. Fran Tarkenton - 3rd Rounder. Joe Theisman, fourth rounder, but SIGNED in Canada (neat twist). I'll close with Ryan Leaf - 1st round GOLD!
PS: thrash you in Math and Poker. $ in the bank
C-dawg I was referring to the first round compared to any given round, and not all other rounds and free agents combined. You likely just misunderstood my point. For example, I was saying that there's a greater than 50% chance that a first round QB won any given Super Bowl, while there is probably a 5% chance that any given Super Bowl was won by a 4th rounder. I don't want to get into a probability class and start pulling out the n! equations. They can make your head hurt.
C-dawg I was referring to the first round compared to any given round, and not all other rounds and free agents combined. You likely just misunderstood my point. For example, I was saying that there's a greater than 50% chance that a first round QB won any given Super Bowl, while there is probably a 5% chance that any given Super Bowl was won by a 4th rounder. I don't want to get into a probability class and start pulling out the n! equations. They can make your head hurt.
I get the adjustment, appreciate the clarification.
Yes, the probabilities/likelihoods shift significantly with that array. 1st round dominates.
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It is just as likely that any team that drafts a QB in the first round is more likely to stick with their decision and build around him than replace him with another QB. More than likely a first rounder will get more time and consideration than a QB drafted later in the draft... JMHO.
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I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board who would rather take the low odds of a late round QB winning a Super Bowl than the overwhelmingly higher odds of a 1st-round QB winning the Super Bowl. Over 50% of Super Bowl winners have come from 1 round. Remember that there are 7 rounds in today's NFL and there used to be more in the past. Also you have to add in undrafted free agents. That means that after you leave the first round, the odds of finding a winning QB in any given round decrease dramatically. Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
I wouldn't want to gamble with a lot of the geniuses posting on the board. Of course this concept will go over the head of most people in this forum who failed math class.
andrew luck or RG3?
so if andrew luck is 'the guy' and you can't get him and there's a scramble for our #4 you wuldn't trade down 2 slots and gain another 2nd rounder?
hey slaughter was my guy back in the day too but i wonder what he would think about this draft? maybe u got him on speed dial?
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How good are these 3: Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, Kirk Cousins ?
Can we take Blackmon and one of these 3 QB's?
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No Ordinary Joe
When a team picks a tackle in the first round they’re thinking that guy is going to keep his quarterback clean. We’ve mentioned countless times the impact pressure can have on a passer, so just imagine how much worse Colt McCoy could be if he didn’t have the most efficient tackle in the league blocking for him. I am, of course, referring to Joe Thomas, who in allowing just three sacks, a hit and 15 hurries on 527 pass blocking snaps, is flying high with a 97.2 PBE rating. He narrowly beats out Andrew Whitworth of the Bengals and David Stewart of the Titans (97.1 ratings), though it should be noted he has given up eight penalties.
Interestingly, Thomas isn’t the only Brown to do well in the tackle rankings. Tony Pashos has struggled to impose himself in the run game, but with just 17 total pressures given up on 398 pass blocking snaps, he ranks fourth out of all right tackles. With the rest of the Top 10, you kind of understand them being there, and it’s only really Pashos whose name sticks out. He finds him behind the aforementioned Stewart, Tyson Clabo and rookie sensation, Tyron Smith.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/tony-pashos/140759?q=tony-pashos
According to this, he had a ton of sacks. 37? That can't be right.... can it? @@
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/joe-thomas/469511?q=joe-thomas
Joe Thomas - 37 sacks.
While the Offensive Line needs fixing, fixing it is not going to catapult us into a .5 team without playmakers.
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I continue to hear many misguided Browns fans say that we need to prioritize taking a chance on a unproven right tackle over taking a chance on an unproven quarterback. However, statistics show that the Browns offensive line should not take the majority of the blame for the sorry offensive output. The top passing teams were all over the spectrum in terms of sacks allowed. 3 of the top 10 passing teams (Packers, Cowboys and Steelers) allowed just as many or more sacks(41,39 and 42 sacks respectively) than the Browns(39) despite fewer passing attempts .
Yes its true that the top passing team the Saints allowed only 24 sacks. However, so did the middle of the road Titans. The difference is that the Saints totaled nearly 100 more passing YPG than the Titans. This is because the Saints have a much better QB than the Titans. Similarly, the Packers, Cowboys and Steelers have much better QB's than the Browns.
To me its very clear that the difference between success and failure in the passing game is not necessarily the offensive line, but the playmakers. And the biggest playmaker, the only one who touches the ball every play, is the quarterback. Therefore, it would be much wiser to take a chance on a QB than to take a chance on a RT. And by the way, Colt McCoy is not a good player and probably never will be.
I continue to hear many misguided Browns fans say that we need to prioritize taking a chance on a unproven right tackle over taking a chance on an unproven quarterback. However, statistics show that the Browns offensive line should not take the majority of the blame for the sorry offensive output. The top passing teams were all over the spectrum in terms of sacks allowed. 3 of the top 10 passing teams (Packers, Cowboys and Steelers) allowed just as many or more sacks(41,39 and 42 sacks respectively) than the Browns(39) despite fewer passing attempts .
Yes its true that the top passing team the Saints allowed only 24 sacks. However, so did the middle of the road Titans. The difference is that the Saints totaled nearly 100 more passing YPG than the Titans. This is because the Saints have a much better QB than the Titans. Similarly, the Packers, Cowboys and Steelers have much better QB's than the Browns.
To me its very clear that the difference between success and failure in the passing game is not necessarily the offensive line, but the playmakers. And the biggest playmaker, the only one who touches the ball every play, is the quarterback. Therefore, it would be much wiser to take a chance on a QB than to take a chance on a RT. And by the way, Colt McCoy is not a good player and probably never will be.
Colt was responsible for the fact that he wasn't sacked 5 times per game. He made a lot of plays to avoid sacks. A quarterback doesn't need to be sacked to kept from passing for high yardages. There were a lot of plays where he had to throw the ball away or force a throw outside the pocket.
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