Lessons From History
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Whatever, gipper. Calling me dumb and attacking me personally doesn't make you right. It makes you an asshole. An asshole who is wrong.
If I am an asshole, it is because you made me one because I have had to suffer fools like you for 17 years on this subject.
And whatever else I may be, I am right.
If I am an asshole, it is because you made me one because I have had to suffer fools like you for 17 years on this subject.
And whatever else I may be, I am right.
Excuses are always valid
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If I am an asshole, it is because you made me one because I have had to suffer fools like you for 17 years on this subject.
And whatever else I may be, I am right.
Excuses are always valid
Excuses are always valid
Yes, I said I would wager your next week's salary on the fact that legally and factually the Cleveland Browns Franshise never moved from here.
That is not even a subject for debate. That is like you arguing that we human beings live on the planet Uranus, not the planet Earth.
Well, maybe you are living up Uranus....but the rest of us live on Earth.
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Excuses are always valid
Yes, I said I would wager your next week's salary on the fact that legally and factually the Cleveland Browns Franshise never moved from here.
That is not even a subject for debate. That is like you arguing that we human beings live on the planet Uranus, not the planet Earth.
Well, maybe you are living up Uranus....but the rest of us live on Earth.
Yes, I said I would wager your next week's salary on the fact that legally and factually the Cleveland Browns Franshise never moved from here.
That is not even a subject for debate. That is like you arguing that we human beings live on the planet Uranus, not the planet Earth.
Well, maybe you are living up Uranus....but the rest of us live on Earth.
You would be wrong tho Gip i renmember the team leaving without a doubt, I think it was like week 7 of the 95 season they announced they were moving, legal cases were set to block the move, but in the end we settled for the our franchise name colors logos etc in 1996.
The plain fact that lawsuits were pending to block a move does not mean they were not already gone, the old browns franchise was offically gone Christmas Day 1995, The Batltimore Ravens became the offical name on March 29th 1996, the new browns expansion team was announced February 9th 1996.
The Browns from December 25th - February 8th were factually not a team anymore until that settlement was reached FACT.
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Yes, I said I would wager your next week's salary on the fact that legally and factually the Cleveland Browns Franshise never moved from here.
That is not even a subject for debate. That is like you arguing that we human beings live on the planet Uranus, not the planet Earth.
Well, maybe you are living up Uranus....but the rest of us live on Earth.
You would be wrong tho Gip i renmember the team leaving without a doubt, I think it was like week 7 of the 95 season they announced they were moving, legal cases were set to block the move, but in the end we settled for the our franchise name colors logos etc in 1996.
The plain fact that lawsuits were pending to block a move does not mean they were not already gone, the old browns franchise was offically gone Christmas Day 1995, The Batltimore Ravens became the offical name on March 29th 1996, the new browns expansion team was announced February 9th 1996.
The Browns from December 25th - February 8th were factually not a team anymore until that settlement was reached FACT.
You would be wrong tho Gip i renmember the team leaving without a doubt, I think it was like week 7 of the 95 season they announced they were moving, legal cases were set to block the move, but in the end we settled for the our franchise name colors logos etc in 1996.
The plain fact that lawsuits were pending to block a move does not mean they were not already gone, the old browns franchise was offically gone Christmas Day 1995, The Batltimore Ravens became the offical name on March 29th 1996, the new browns expansion team was announced February 9th 1996.
The Browns from December 25th - February 8th were factually not a team anymore until that settlement was reached FACT.
Nope, there has never been but one "Cleveland Browns" Franchise. 1946 to present.
Damn, we've tried to get it though thick skulls for 17 years now- there's a freaking difference between TEAM and FRANCHISE. I can own a McDonald's FRANCHISE in Cleveland even if the building is empty, and I don't have any employees- get it? It's- "We're closed, reopening in 3 years". The Browns FRANCHISE was put in a trust and never went anywhere FYI. And that included the records, colors, and history.
In 1999 the Browns were an expansion TEAM. In 1996, the Ravens were an expansion FRANCHISE. Those are the facts- if you don't want to believe them- fine. Still don't want to believe me and Gip? Here's the official historian of the NFL- the HOF- take note of the date and byline- "Honor, Preserve, Educate, Promote..... Ravens history.... Gee, here's the Browns history- if you want to hallucinate two franchises out of it- be my guest.
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BTW- the Browns were factually not a team again until the expansion draft February 1999, not February of 1996, when the Ravens became the expansion franchise.
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Yes, I said I would wager your next week's salary on the fact that legally and factually the Cleveland Browns Franshise never moved from here.
That is not even a subject for debate. That is like you arguing that we human beings live on the planet Uranus, not the planet Earth.
Well, maybe you are living up Uranus....but the rest of us live on Earth.
You would be wrong tho Gip i renmember the team leaving without a doubt, I think it was like week 7 of the 95 season they announced they were moving, legal cases were set to block the move, but in the end we settled for the our franchise name colors logos etc in 1996.
The plain fact that lawsuits were pending to block a move does not mean they were not already gone, the old browns franchise was offically gone Christmas Day 1995, The Batltimore Ravens became the offical name on March 29th 1996, the new browns expansion team was announced February 9th 1996.
The Browns from December 25th - February 8th were factually not a team anymore until that settlement was reached FACT.
You would be wrong tho Gip i renmember the team leaving without a doubt, I think it was like week 7 of the 95 season they announced they were moving, legal cases were set to block the move, but in the end we settled for the our franchise name colors logos etc in 1996.
The plain fact that lawsuits were pending to block a move does not mean they were not already gone, the old browns franchise was offically gone Christmas Day 1995, The Batltimore Ravens became the offical name on March 29th 1996, the new browns expansion team was announced February 9th 1996.
The Browns from December 25th - February 8th were factually not a team anymore until that settlement was reached FACT.
Again, no.
The Cleveland Browns franchise never fucking left Cleveland. An announcement that you are going to leave doesn't mean shit.
I can announce that I am going to have sex with all the Playboy Centerfolds for the year 2012. It doesn't mean I am going to do it.
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Pretty sure you need to have a mother fuckin team and be part of a league to be considered a franchise.
On that note, guess what guys? I am the proud owner of a new professional football franchise.
Now if I could only get this damn city to build me a fuckin stadium and the NFL to accept me into it's rankings.
But...nonetheless I am a franchise owner, take that bitches.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Ok the name and colors didn't move, but the team, all its management and, functionally, all its history and the lessons that foundation learned from that history DID leave. The browns returned to existence with a completely new base from the owner down.
To me, its splitting hairs. The browns became the ravens. Therefore the team did move. The franchise stayed, but the franchise is just name and colors.
Ok the name and colors didn't move, but the team, all its management and, functionally, all its history and the lessons that foundation learned from that history DID leave. The browns returned to existence with a completely new base from the owner down.
To me, its splitting hairs. The browns became the ravens. Therefore the team did move. The franchise stayed, but the franchise is just name and colors.
They all vacated and formed their own new team, browns didnt go anywhere
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Pretty sure you need to have a mother fuckin team and be part of a league to be considered a franchise.
On that note, guess what guys? I am the proud owner of a new professional football franchise.
Now if I could only get this damn city to build me a fuckin stadium and the NFL to accept me into it's rankings.
But...nonetheless I am a franchise owner, take that bitches.
Pretty sure you need to have a mother fuckin team and be part of a league to be considered a franchise.
On that note, guess what guys? I am the proud owner of a new professional football franchise.
Now if I could only get this damn city to build me a fuckin stadium and the NFL to accept me into it's rankings.
But...nonetheless I am a franchise owner, take that bitches.
Difference is- you have no legal standing with the NFL as an existing franchise. Sorry to bust your bubble, but the Browns did. Head on down to the Big Apple and see how far you get with that idea.
Al Lerner paid $430 million to buy the rights to the existing Browns franchise. I'll list the starting bid for yours on eBay for wet fart.
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Pretty sure you need to have a mother fuckin team and be part of a league to be considered a franchise.
On that note, guess what guys? I am the proud owner of a new professional football franchise.
Now if I could only get this damn city to build me a fuckin stadium and the NFL to accept me into it's rankings.
But...nonetheless I am a franchise owner, take that bitches.
Pretty sure you need to have a mother fuckin team and be part of a league to be considered a franchise.
Actually, no, you don't. During WWII several teams suspended operations, including the Steelers and Rams and Cardinals.
Right now today, the Seattle Supersonics are still a franchise of the NBA on suspension. When they will reactivate who knows, but they exist.
On that note, guess what guys? I am the proud owner of a new professional football franchise.
Now if I could only get this damn city to build me a fuckin stadium and the NFL to accept me into it's rankings.
But...nonetheless I am a franchise owner, take that bitches.
You are not a franchise owner unless the NFL grants you a franchise.
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