As A Redskins Fan, I Must Say
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As a competent Redskins fan, I feel that I have to apologize for intermediate proof or whatever his name is. The Browns have as many holes as the Redskins do, to trade both firsts would be crazy. I will elaborate later but I have to go to class.
Steelers suck.
Right, because Brandon Weeden or Ryan Tannehill are going to be anything more than average in the NFL. But people are going to talk themselves into shitty QB prospects because they're too afraid to take the shot with the star. Or they're going to say "Oh Barkley and Jones are just as good! Wait for them!" Except that Jones is terrible, he throws an NFL throw maybe once or twice a game, and Barkley last year played with about 8 guys who will be top 16 picks on offense.
What ever happened to quality > quantity? It may make you sleep better at night to have more draft picks but getting a few more average starters doesn't make up for not having a quarterback. Oh, it's possible to build a good team that way - but it takes 5 years of drafting and a shitload of lucky breaks. Do you really think the Niners will go 13-3 every year with Alex Smith at QB? And this was after they drafted about 7 first round picks in 5 years, and about 15-20 premium picks in that span. All of it means SHIT, utter fucking SHIT, if you don't have an elite QB.
Right, because Brandon Weeden or Ryan Tannehill are going to be anything more than average in the NFL. But people are going to talk themselves into shitty QB prospects because they're too afraid to take the shot with the star. Or they're going to say "Oh Barkley and Jones are just as good! Wait for them!" Except that Jones is terrible, he throws an NFL throw maybe once or twice a game, and Barkley last year played with about 8 guys who will be top 16 picks on offense.
What ever happened to quality > quantity? It may make you sleep better at night to have more draft picks but getting a few more average starters doesn't make up for not having a quarterback. Oh, it's possible to build a good team that way - but it takes 5 years of drafting and a shitload of lucky breaks. Do you really think the Niners will go 13-3 every year with Alex Smith at QB? And this was after they drafted about 7 first round picks in 5 years, and about 15-20 premium picks in that span. All of it means SHIT, utter fucking SHIT, if you don't have an elite QB.
Well, you and RGIII to Cle are in the same boat, sell the ranch, blow all your future picks and hope Griffin is the real deal. We're willing to make a rational deal- some of the stuff out there is pre-draft insanity.
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That's cute coming from a franchise that wasn't around 15 years ago...
WTF are you talking about? The Browns franchise has been around since 1946. The Redskins have only been around 14 years longer, since 1932...though they have played 17 more seasons with the Browns 3 off years.
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Let's think about some things, shall we?
You keep on bringing up Snyder as a "meddling owner." Which he was up until Vinny Cerrato left and Allen and Shanahan took over. You see, Vinny was the "mastermind" behind all the idiotic personnel moves (Jason Taylor, TJ Duckett, Adam Archuleta, Haynesworthless, etc).
Name one big name free agent that we signed to a moronic contract since Shanahan took over. You can't, because it hasn't happened. We went from 5 draft picks last year to 12, picking up a star at OLB (Kerrigan), one on the DL who got injured (Jarvis Jenkins), a good #2 receiver at worst (Hankerson), two very good RBs (Helu, Royster), and good depth everywhere else. The days of Snyder "meddling" are long gone.
Name one big name free agent that we signed to a moronic contract since Shanahan took over.
so, grossman and mcnabb were good moves? do us all a favor....stop talking before you say something really stupid. while shanny surely isn't cerrato, i'll easily take the guy whose made a career out of embarrassing the skins (none other than philly's ex-GM heckert) to make the decisions. yall got some good players last draft, so did we.
whats the point in coming here to preach about how important QB's are when your team has been graced with the same quality QB talent the browns have in recent years. we've at least attempted to fill that position with draft picks while, as per the norm, the redskins look to FA and washed up vets to man the helm.
you are in no position to criticize....youre 2 years into a new FO, as are we. and in the very same fashion, all those playmakers and awesome rookies ya'll are sporting got you the same as us....a bottom of the league team that couldn't compete with a high school squad.
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I live in Northern Virginia now and its terrible. I would walk into bars at the beginning of the season after the skins were 2-1 after barely beating two horrible teams and their fans would chant super bowl and I would have to remind them rex gross was their QB
half my friends in D.C. arent even skins fans because they were so fed up with their own fans. And their not bandwagon fans either cause they like the broncos and buccaneers for some reason. -
That's cute coming from a franchise that wasn't around 15 years ago...
WTF are you talking about? The Browns franchise has been around since 1946. The Redskins have only been around 14 years longer, since 1932...though they have played 17 more seasons with the Browns 3 off years.
WTF are you talking about? The Browns franchise has been around since 1946. The Redskins have only been around 14 years longer, since 1932...though they have played 17 more seasons with the Browns 3 off years.
Actually, the Browns name has been around since 1946. Then, in 1996 the franchise left for Baltimore and changed it's name. Then in 1999 they started again, a completely new franchise, just with the same name.
15 years ago Cleveland didn't have a team. Nothing I said was incorrect.
It's funny how people "forget the Redskins are even an NFL team anymore" when the current iteration of the Browns hasn't been around 20 years.
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Name one big name free agent that we signed to a moronic contract since Shanahan took over.
so, grossman and mcnabb were good moves? do us all a favor....stop talking before you say something really stupid. while shanny surely isn't cerrato, i'll easily take the guy whose made a career out of embarrassing the skins (none other than philly's ex-GM heckert) to make the decisions. yall got some good players last draft, so did we.
whats the point in coming here to preach about how important QB's are when your team has been graced with the same quality QB talent the browns have in recent years. we've at least attempted to fill that position with draft picks while, as per the norm, the redskins look to FA and washed up vets to man the helm.
you are in no position to criticize....youre 2 years into a new FO, as are we. and in the very same fashion, all those playmakers and awesome rookies ya'll are sporting got you the same as us....a bottom of the league team that couldn't compete with a high school squad.
so, grossman and mcnabb were good moves? do us all a favor....stop talking before you say something really stupid. while shanny surely isn't cerrato, i'll easily take the guy whose made a career out of embarrassing the skins (none other than philly's ex-GM heckert) to make the decisions. yall got some good players last draft, so did we.
Grossman and McNabb were better than Campbell and Colt Brennan. Cerrato left the Skins absolutely nothing. Shanahan used what he had to make the best of a bad situation his first year, then last year, when he was actually given a full draft and a year away from Cerrato, completely overhauled the roster.
Hindsight says McNabb was a bad move, but at the time, he was coming off a good year, and from all indications, would put in the work to become better. It's not on Shanahan that he turned into a turd that didn't want to work.
whats the point in coming here to preach about how important QB's are when your team has been graced with the same quality QB talent the browns have in recent years. we've at least attempted to fill that position with draft picks while, as per the norm, the redskins look to FA and washed up vets to man the helm.
So, knowing firsthand how important the QB is means I can't say how important the QB is (I never even mentioned a QB in my posts though, so how am I preaching how important QBs are?
Like I said, using the picks we had, there weren't any QBs available that Shanahan liked when we were drafting. We also filled a lot of holes along the way. OLB, DE, WR, and RB. Rumor has it Shanahan had his eye on Dalton, but the Bengals took him before we had a chance to in the second.
you are in no position to criticize....youre 2 years into a new FO, as are we. and in the very same fashion, all those playmakers and awesome rookies ya'll are sporting got you the same as us....a bottom of the league team that couldn't compete with a high school squad.
Who's criticizing who? I never offered any criticism of the Browns.
Couldn't compete with a high school squad? Didn't we beat the Super Bowl Champs twice this season? We came within two bad calls in the Pats game of beating them too.
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oh, you beat the giants, who actually won something (again), twice, you say? where are you drafting again.....6?
we beat the defending superbowl champs the last 3 or 4 years....and we're drafting 4. we were within one call of winning literally a hundred games.....cry me a river.
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oh, you beat the giants, who actually won something (again), twice, you say? where are you drafting again.....6?
we beat the defending superbowl champs the last 3 or 4 years....and we're drafting 4. we were within one call of winning literally a hundred games.....cry me a river.
oh, you beat the giants, who actually won something (again), twice, you say? where are you drafting again.....6?
we beat the defending superbowl champs the last 3 or 4 years....and we're drafting 4. we were within one call of winning literally a hundred games.....cry me a river.
Your point? You said neither team could beat a high school squad, which is just completely wrong.
I like how you ignored the rest of the post, too.
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hmmm...apparently, i think all you skins fans that decided to roll in today are pretty much the same. i simply dont care to differentiate.
hmmm...apparently, i think all you skins fans that decided to roll in today are pretty much the same. i simply dont care to differentiate.
Yeah, it must suck to talk to someone who actually knows football and doesn't spout out tired old cliches like "Snyder runs the Redskins" or the like.
The most you can hang your hat on is that you have the Eagles' old GM. Congrats.
I tried to come in here and be civil...
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Zombo said:
You were pretty much a douchebag from the getgo. It's too bad Snyder doesn't meddle anymore, the team was better then.
Zombo
The sad thing is you're right haha...
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Zombo said:
You were pretty much a douchebag from the getgo. It's too bad Snyder doesn't meddle anymore, the team was better then.
Zombo
Yeah, I guess because I don't fall under the "ZOMG BROWNS ARE AWESOME!" crowd that labels me a douchebag. Oh well. Have fun riding in the cellar of your division with a GM that couldn't win a Super Bowl in Philthy. He'll fit right in with Cleveland.
...and if you honestly think the Skins were better with Snyderatto, then you really don't know much about football.
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Zombo said:
I know that 9-7 and 8-8 is better than 6-10 and 5-11.
Zombo
So you're really trying to sell Jim Zorn as a better coach than Shanahan? Good luck with that. Zorn got off to a hot start then hit the crapper. 6-20 over the last year and a half. But yeah, the Skins aren't in a better spot than the mess that he was coaching. You got me there.
Oh, wait.
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Zombo said:
Don't think I mentioned Zorn or Shanahan.
You said Snyder stopped meddling the last few years. And I said you used to be a better team than 6-10,5-11 back when he was meddling.
It's true. The last three seasons are the worst three year stretch since he has been owner.
Looks like stopping the meddling wasn't the answer.
Sorry, it's pretty clear.
Zombo
Let me spell this out for you, just using the last three years you're pointing out.
Three years ago: 4-12, Jim Zorn as a head coach. Snyderatto brings in Haynesworth during free agency, in one of the worst moves of his tenure. Skins end up 10th in defensive rankings (the joke that that is, just ranking by yards per game). Jason Campbell (Captain Checkdown) is the QB. The locker room is in shambles. Zorn is a lame duck coach by week 7.
Two years ago: 6-10, Shanahan as a head coach. Snyder fires Cerrato and hires Bruce Allen. Brings in McNabb as the QB. McNabb decides he wants to bitch and moan and not do anything to get better. Skins still come close to setting franchise records for passing yards. Haynesworth is still a tool.
Last year: 5-11, same front office. Shanahan gets rid of all the locker room cancers (Rogers, Haynesworth, McNabb). Improves every area of the team save for QB. Bad year, record wise, but the locker room is turned around, the attitude of the front office is turned around, we're headed in the right way. Just because it doesn't happen immediately doesn't mean it's not the right way. Instant gratification is nice, but we're building back to the Super Bowl.
You know, like the Browns have been doing since the Super Bowl era began.
I'm more than happy having a few down years considering we'll be back in the Super Bowl a lot sooner than Cleveland. You get to hang your hat on "we had a 10-win season a couple years ago." Your personnel men don't know how to build a Super Bowl winning team. Ours do. Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
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Jesus you know what sad? A fan from another team posting on the Browns board during the FUCKING OFFSEASON. I mean hell, we have you put up with you stupid sons of bitches when we happen to play you during any given week of the season but you a fan from a team that isn't even in our division wants to come on hear and bit about who has the shittiest FO, players, ect. Who gives a flying fuck.
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Jesus you know what sad? A fan from another team posting on the Browns board during the FUCKING OFFSEASON. I mean hell, we have you put up with you stupid sons of bitches when we happen to play you during any given week of the season but you a fan from a team that isn't even in our division wants to come on hear and bit about who has the shittiest FO, players, ect. Who gives a flying fuck.
Jesus you know what sad? A fan from another team posting on the Browns board during the FUCKING OFFSEASON. I mean hell, we have you put up with you stupid sons of bitches when we happen to play you during any given week of the season but you a fan from a team that isn't even in our division wants to come on hear and bit about who has the shittiest FO, players, ect. Who gives a flying fuck.
Message Board discussion 101: Can't argue against the post, attack the poster.
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Zombo said:
Don't think I mentioned Zorn or Shanahan.
You said Snyder stopped meddling the last few years. And I said you used to be a better team than 6-10,5-11 back when he was meddling.
It's true. The last three seasons are the worst three year stretch since he has been owner.
Looks like stopping the meddling wasn't the answer.
Sorry, it's pretty clear.
Zombo
Let me spell this out for you, just using the last three years you're pointing out.
Three years ago: 4-12, Jim Zorn as a head coach. Snyderatto brings in Haynesworth during free agency, in one of the worst moves of his tenure. Skins end up 10th in defensive rankings (the joke that that is, just ranking by yards per game). Jason Campbell (Captain Checkdown) is the QB. The locker room is in shambles. Zorn is a lame duck coach by week 7.
Two years ago: 6-10, Shanahan as a head coach. Snyder fires Cerrato and hires Bruce Allen. Brings in McNabb as the QB. McNabb decides he wants to bitch and moan and not do anything to get better. Skins still come close to setting franchise records for passing yards. Haynesworth is still a tool.
Last year: 5-11, same front office. Shanahan gets rid of all the locker room cancers (Rogers, Haynesworth, McNabb). Improves every area of the team save for QB. Bad year, record wise, but the locker room is turned around, the attitude of the front office is turned around, we're headed in the right way. Just because it doesn't happen immediately doesn't mean it's not the right way. Instant gratification is nice, but we're building back to the Super Bowl.
You know, like the Browns have been doing since the Super Bowl era began.
I'm more than happy having a few down years considering we'll be back in the Super Bowl a lot sooner than Cleveland. You get to hang your hat on "we had a 10-win season a couple years ago." Your personnel men don't know how to build a Super Bowl winning team. Ours do. Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
There is a reason Shanahan hasn't done anything in over a decade. Elway won those 2 Super Bowls. Once he retired, Shanahan has been exposed. Elway made Shanahan - not the other way around. Unless you get a QB of that caliber again (top 10, maybe even top 5 all time), good luck doing anything with Shanahan.
Holmgren took a hall of famer and a mediocre QB to the Super Bowl which is proof that he is a better coach. Of course Holmgren isn't the coach now, so Browns fans will just have to hope Shurmur is the right choice in that department.
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Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
There is a reason Shanahan hasn't done anything in over a decade. Elway won those 2 Super Bowls. Once he retired, Shanahan has been exposed. Elway made Shanahan - not the other way around. Unless you get a QB of that caliber again (top 10, maybe even top 5 all time), good luck doing anything with Shanahan.
Holmgren took a hall of famer and a mediocre QB to the Super Bowl which is proof that he is a better coach. Of course Holmgren isn't the coach now, so Browns fans will just have to hope Shurmur is the right choice in that department.
There is a reason Shanahan hasn't done anything in over a decade. Elway won those 2 Super Bowls. Once he retired, Shanahan has been exposed. Elway made Shanahan - not the other way around. Unless you get a QB of that caliber again (top 10, maybe even top 5 all time), good luck doing anything with Shanahan.
Holmgren took a hall of famer and a mediocre QB to the Super Bowl which is proof that he is a better coach. Of course Holmgren isn't the coach now, so Browns fans will just have to hope Shurmur is the right choice in that department.
Shanahan took the Broncos to the AFC Championship Game with Jake Plummer, and a no-name running back.
Meanwhile, Holmgren rode Shaun Alexander's record year to the Super Bowl. That in no way is on Hasselbeck. That would be like saying Dilfer led the Ravens to the Super Bowl.
What has Belichick done without Brady? Jimmy Johnson without Aikman? Cowher without Roethlisberger? Coughlin without Eli? Walsh without Montana? Landry without Staubach? Chuck Noll without Bradshaw?
The only coach who's won multiple Super Bowls with multiple QBs is Joe Gibbs. No other coach has done anything without "their" QB. That argument's about as played as "Snyder runs the Redskins."
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Zombo said:
Don't think I mentioned Zorn or Shanahan.
You said Snyder stopped meddling the last few years. And I said you used to be a better team than 6-10,5-11 back when he was meddling.
It's true. The last three seasons are the worst three year stretch since he has been owner.
Looks like stopping the meddling wasn't the answer.
Sorry, it's pretty clear.
Zombo
Let me spell this out for you, just using the last three years you're pointing out.
Three years ago: 4-12, Jim Zorn as a head coach. Snyderatto brings in Haynesworth during free agency, in one of the worst moves of his tenure. Skins end up 10th in defensive rankings (the joke that that is, just ranking by yards per game). Jason Campbell (Captain Checkdown) is the QB. The locker room is in shambles. Zorn is a lame duck coach by week 7.
Two years ago: 6-10, Shanahan as a head coach. Snyder fires Cerrato and hires Bruce Allen. Brings in McNabb as the QB. McNabb decides he wants to bitch and moan and not do anything to get better. Skins still come close to setting franchise records for passing yards. Haynesworth is still a tool.
Last year: 5-11, same front office. Shanahan gets rid of all the locker room cancers (Rogers, Haynesworth, McNabb). Improves every area of the team save for QB. Bad year, record wise, but the locker room is turned around, the attitude of the front office is turned around, we're headed in the right way. Just because it doesn't happen immediately doesn't mean it's not the right way. Instant gratification is nice, but we're building back to the Super Bowl.
You know, like the Browns have been doing since the Super Bowl era began.
I'm more than happy having a few down years considering we'll be back in the Super Bowl a lot sooner than Cleveland. You get to hang your hat on "we had a 10-win season a couple years ago." Your personnel men don't know how to build a Super Bowl winning team. Ours do. Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
I'm more than happy having a few down years considering we'll be back in the Super Bowl a lot sooner than Cleveland. You get to hang your hat on "we had a 10-win season a couple years ago." Your personnel men don't know how to build a Super Bowl winning team. Ours do. Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
Your FO knows how to build a superbowl team? I dont even remember seeing you guys in the playoffs! I'm sure your FO is building a team for the superbowl.... but the problem is they are never going to get there. Win the division .... then come back here and boast.
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I'm more than happy having a few down years considering we'll be back in the Super Bowl a lot sooner than Cleveland. You get to hang your hat on "we had a 10-win season a couple years ago." Your personnel men don't know how to build a Super Bowl winning team. Ours do. Go ahead, bring up that Holmgren won the Super Bowl with the Packers. Shanahan beat Holmgren's Packers. Then he won it again.
Your FO knows how to build a superbowl team? I dont even remember seeing you guys in the playoffs! I'm sure your FO is building a team for the superbowl.... but the problem is they are never going to get there. Win the division .... then come back here and boast.
Your FO knows how to build a superbowl team? I dont even remember seeing you guys in the playoffs! I'm sure your FO is building a team for the superbowl.... but the problem is they are never going to get there. Win the division .... then come back here and boast.
This post, from a Browns fan?
Pretty sure the Skins have been to the playoffs more, more recently, and have more wins in the playoffs than the Browns over the past oh, 20 years. Win a playoff game, then talk trash. Better yet, make the playoffs, then talk trash.
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