As A Redskins Fan, I Must Say
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it has been more than a decade since ur team has been to the SB right? Or are we only counting the years when u guys were playoff contenders? If u wanna talk history then ...
Championships
League championships (4)
AAFC Championships (not recognized by the NFL) (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Championships (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
Conference championships (11)
NFL American: 1950, 1951, 1952
NFL Eastern: 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Division championships (13)
AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Playoff appearances (28)
AAFC: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2002
But ofcourse you are more than welcome to be selective about what u want to cherry pick .....
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
Just to set the record straight, teams from Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships. Green Bay recently tied us with that figure.
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So if you compare history- ur record is barely better than ours. And if u compare the last 20 years - we have the same number of superbowl victories - 0! And you come here to boast and trash talk? Really? Dude u guys are as dysfunctional as us and u your boasting that u are a superior team - Maybe u are but if u dont have the superbowl - u got nada.
We have 1 Super Bowl in the last 20 years. We won it in the 1991 season (Super Bowl in 1992). This past year was the 2011 season, with the Super Bowl in 2012.
...and it's pretty sad you have to call the Super Bowl era "cherry picking."
We have 1 Super Bowl in the last 20 years. We won it in the 1991 season (Super Bowl in 1992). This past year was the 2011 season, with the Super Bowl in 2012.
...and it's pretty sad you have to call the Super Bowl era "cherry picking."
It is easy to call it Cherry picking, because it is cherry picking.
Here you go:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/
All you have to do is count the time Cleveland/Akron/Canton are on that list.
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What ever you need to think to make your self feel better about this huge waste of time you are spending in here arguing with fans from a team that your team barely ever plays. I mean shit you would be using your time better if you were jacking off to pictures of you back titty hairy molded grandma, not that you don't find time for that I'm sure you take a break every now and then.
Watch out, we have a badass over here, he threw an insult over the internet. Watch out for this guy, he's going places. Go back to what you were doing and let the men talk football.
Watch out, we have a badass over here, he threw an insult over the internet. Watch out for this guy, he's going places. Go back to what you were doing and let the men talk football.
Wow guys, we have super fan over here. So enamored by your own team that the confine of your own team board can not contain you. NO! Super fan must seek out other teams and spread the word about his team. What else is so important, what else could he better use his time for. Not bathing, of course not. Not eating the frozen waffles his mom just made him. He has better things to do! No if he isn't here wasting his time on another teams board then who else would do it. Maybe someone with an actual girlfriend, wife, kids, future, would end up wasting their time instead of you. I guess your just too selfless to let this terrible life fall on someone elses shoulders.
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Zombo said:
The key to winning the Super Bowl is not hiring old guys that won the Super Bowl before...So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
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You know what, just forget it.
I'll try to keep this football-related.
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Zombo said:
The key to winning the Super Bowl is not hiring old guys that won the Super Bowl before...So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
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So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
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holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
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heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
I think he was alluding to the fact that you have a rat-faced shit machine that's been around for 50 years as your HC, while we have a stammering, Retarded rookie HC at the helm.
At the end of the day, who honestly wins?
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holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
Fair enough. I was basing everything off of all the posts on how it's who Holmgren wants, implying he's the personnel guy. You can understand the confusion. Either way, I wouldn't exactly be bragging up Heckert. Yeah, he might have put the team together that kept beating the Skins, but he could never put together a Super Bowl winning team.
I can bring up Shanahan though, because he and Allen have equal say in the Skins personnel (if anything, Shanny has more power than Allen). Shanny has experience building Super Bowl winning teams. Elway was already in place, but Shanahan brought in Terrell Davis and the others who put Denver over the top.
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That's really all that needs to be said.
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That's really all that needs to be said.
That's really all that needs to be said.
Because your record is better?
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That's really all that needs to be said.
Because your record is better?
Because your record is better?
I'm not comparing teams.
I'm saying if Shanahan is such a Super Bowl winning genie, he's failed to show it thus far in Washington. Blow the guy's cock all you want, he's proven nothing for you.
But he USED to win Super Bowls, that's what really matters...right?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
Fair enough. I was basing everything off of all the posts on how it's who Holmgren wants, implying he's the personnel guy. You can understand the confusion. Either way, I wouldn't exactly be bragging up Heckert. Yeah, he might have put the team together that kept beating the Skins, but he could never put together a Super Bowl winning team.
I can bring up Shanahan though, because he and Allen have equal say in the Skins personnel (if anything, Shanny has more power than Allen). Shanny has experience building Super Bowl winning teams. Elway was already in place, but Shanahan brought in Terrell Davis and the others who put Denver over the top.
Fair enough. I was basing everything off of all the posts on how it's who Holmgren wants,
i wont deny that most of our fans dont know how the team operates, in the same way everyone assumes that snyder is still pulling the trigger for you.
walrus pulled trump and took colt.....he's 0 for 1. if he gets his way again, griffin is yours. he track record says he'll forego the big prospect for the diamond in the rough. he gets more credit that way.
im hoping, for our sake, heckert locks holmgren in his office in berea during the draft.
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Because your record is better?
I'm not comparing teams.
I'm saying if Shanahan is such a Super Bowl winning genie, he's failed to show it thus far in Washington. Blow the guy's cock all you want, he's proven nothing for you.
But he USED to win Super Bowls, that's what really matters...right?
I'm not comparing teams.
I'm saying if Shanahan is such a Super Bowl winning genie, he's failed to show it thus far in Washington. Blow the guy's cock all you want, he's proven nothing for you.
Because if he hasn't won a Super Bowl in his first two years (with a team that was in ruins thanks to Vinny Cerrato not knowing how to handle personnel, trades, the draft, or contracts), with stunted offseasons, he's definitely not going to win one.
All of his personnel moves were the right ones at the time. No one figured McNabb was going to bitch out on the Skins. Everyone figured he was going to be a professional about it. His two drafts have been damn near outstanding. Trent Williams and Perry Riley in his first one, and 11 of 12 picks got significant playing time from his second one.
His free agent acquisitions have been spot on, too. Cofield, Bowen, Atogwe, Gaffney, the OL. His only real whiff was John Beck. Grossman might not have been the stud pick, but he did a better job than McNabb did in the offense.
The only real thing you can criticize Shanny about is John Beck.
Rebuilding takes time, something that both our franchises know too well. No one expected Shanny to win much his first two years here. That's why he signed the 5 year contract and ensured Snyder won't get rid of him until that 5 years is up.
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Fair enough. I was basing everything off of all the posts on how it's who Holmgren wants,
i wont deny that most of our fans dont know how the team operates, in the same way everyone assumes that snyder is still pulling the trigger for you.
walrus pulled trump and took colt.....he's 0 for 1. if he gets his way again, griffin is yours. he track record says he'll forego the big prospect for the diamond in the rough. he gets more credit that way.
im hoping, for our sake, heckert locks holmgren in his office in berea during the draft.
i wont deny that most of our fans dont know how the team operates, in the same way everyone assumes that snyder is still pulling the trigger for you.
walrus pulled trump and took colt.....he's 0 for 1. if he gets his way again, griffin is yours. he track record says he'll forego the big prospect for the diamond in the rough. he gets more credit that way.
im hoping, for our sake, heckert locks holmgren in his office in berea during the draft.
Completely serious, you don't think McCoy could be successful (on a Romo/Schaub level) with the right supporting cast? If the Browns grab two or three offensive playmakers, that could really aid McCoy out. He's shown flashes from the few Browns games I've seen, he just needs a lot of help.
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colts got physical limitations, and has been wildly inconsistent. i have no doubt he could be better, but the question is how much. the talent around him doesn't affect many of his issues tho:
pre-snap defensive reads
blitz recognition
protection audilbles
post-snap pressure recognition
velocity
accuracy
anticipation
confidence
happy feet
no long ball
having the talent around him would certainly help the bottom line, but these above factors (which are issues of different degrees) contribute as much to our struggling offense as the lack of adequate playmakers. he's a great kid, but the NFL is still fast for him after 21 starts. i dont see it getting significantly better tho, as in enough to not consider an upgrade whenever the opportunity arises.
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colts got physical limitations, and has been wildly inconsistent. i have no doubt he could be better, but the question is how much. the talent around him doesn't affect many of his issues tho:
pre-snap defensive reads
blitz recognition
protection audilbles
post-snap pressure recognition
velocity
accuracy
anticipation
confidence
happy feet
no long ball
having the talent around him would certainly help the bottom line, but these above factors (which are issues of different degrees) contribute as much to our struggling offense as the lack of adequate playmakers. he's a great kid, but the NFL is still fast for him after 21 starts. i dont see it getting significantly better tho, as in enough to not consider an upgrade whenever the opportunity arises.
having the talent around him would certainly help the bottom line, but these above factors (which are issues of different degrees) contribute as much to our struggling offense as the lack of adequate playmakers. he's a great kid, but the NFL is still fast for him after 21 starts. i dont see it getting significantly better tho, as in enough to not consider an upgrade whenever the opportunity arises.
Fair enough. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Not that I'm advocating him starting, but what's your take on Wallace?
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selfish malcontent comes to mind. even with his leg up on the system, he still couldn't beat out delhomme or mccoy. makes a good backup, and can spot start, but after as many years as he'sd been in the league (8 i think), he still can't look left when going thru his progressions.
mccoy could still possibly grow, wallace is who he is.
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Granted, RG3 is a rare talent. However, do you think that the Browns would be better off going all in for him and getting players to support him in the later rounds or rolling with McCoy and possibly Flynn (personally, I would recommend McCoy. I think Flynn is a flash in the pan. This year's Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel, but with a smaller sample size) or a mid round QB (Weeden or Cousins) this year with better receivers and running backs. If they succeed, then you're golden. If not, then go for Barkley next year.
Both strategies have their advantages. Not taking RG3 is less of a risk, with a possibly high reward IMO (thinking if McCoy, Flynn, or another drafted QB pans out). If he's taken, there will be some breaking in time. He could absolutely dominate for you, but he'll definitely need some help.
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