Browns Not Willing To Trade #22
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I really do not see this regime going gonzo and giving to much away for a single draft pick, the only guy i see on the board that would be worth 2 or maybe even 3 first round picks is andrew luck and indy has no plans of putting him on the market however imho neither him or RG3 really fit into what the browns currently want to do...
I am glad to see the regime approach the draft looking at things from a strong position without giving in to early because whichever way we go we are in a position to come out way ahead if heckert plays everything right..
Browns are not in a position of strength as much as you think. If the Browns don't get RGIII, Flynn will be their only option as a possible upgrade over McCoy and that's not a given. All these tea-leaves about the Browns gushing over Tannehill are puzzling. Even without a RGIII trade up, they have no chance to get Tannehill at #22 and they won't pick him at #4... so why keep talking about him?
Browns are not in a position of strength as much as you think. If the Browns don't get RGIII, Flynn will be their only option as a possible upgrade over McCoy and that's not a given. All these tea-leaves about the Browns gushing over Tannehill are puzzling. Even without a RGIII trade up, they have no chance to get Tannehill at #22 and they won't pick him at #4... so why keep talking about him?
Because it is leverage. Because, in point of fact they may think Tannehill might make a better QB...expecially in the NWCO because the guy played for Holmgren protege Mike Sherman at A&M. There may also be a bit of finger wrestling over Tannehill with the Dolphins...for whom Sherman is now the OC.
Face it: the fact is that certain NFL GMs may not be as masturbatory or RGIII as you are.
Indeed, they may feel like this draft could even be similar to 2004 where you had teams wrangling over Eli and Rivers...where the third QB of that draft may very well prove to be the best of the bunch. You know who I mean.
H&H may see Tannehill as a BR clone.
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What the Browns are saying is our #4 & 37 this year is better than the Redskins #6 & 39 or a first round pick next year. (which is the best Washington can do, unless they throw in a third) The 'Skins supposedly said they're not even dealing this years second rounder, much less a third on top of it.
We've got no problem trading our thirds and beyond.
Shanahan wants to keep the second because then he can trade back from 6 and recoup those picks.
Meaning that if he succeeds in keeping our seconds this year and next, the only pick we'll really "lose" is our first next year.
We've got no problem trading our thirds and beyond.
Shanahan wants to keep the second because then he can trade back from 6 and recoup those picks.
Meaning that if he succeeds in keeping our seconds this year and next, the only pick we'll really "lose" is our first next year.
I'm assuming you meant your 6th pick in the second round.
However, if the Browns offer their second rounder this year- we've got your offer beat. #4 + second rounder this year & next, is better than the Redskins #6 + 3rd rounder & next years first.
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At this point it would not break my heart if we don't end up getting Griffin. But I'd rather just go with Colt for another year than draft Tannehill.
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We've got no problem trading our thirds and beyond.
Shanahan wants to keep the second because then he can trade back from 6 and recoup those picks.
Meaning that if he succeeds in keeping our seconds this year and next, the only pick we'll really "lose" is our first next year.
I'm assuming you meant your 6th pick in the second round.
However, if the Browns offer their second rounder this year- we've got your offer beat. #4 + second rounder this year & next, is better than the Redskins #6 + 3rd rounder & next years first.
I'm assuming you meant your 6th pick in the second round.
However, if the Browns offer their second rounder this year- we've got your offer beat. #4 + second rounder this year & next, is better than the Redskins #6 + 3rd rounder & next years first.
Haha, good catch. That is what I meant
However, I have a strong feeling that the second rounder is the only pick that Shanny for sure wants to keep. Meaning he could trade 1st/3rd/4th/and beyond this year along with 1st/3rd/4th next year. Just use that second rounder to trade back and recoup those picks traded away. This is the one time when I want Snyder to be super aggressive when trading.
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What makes you think they wouldnt be willing to move up from 22 to pick tannehill?? With that being said, I personally dont see it happening. I dont think Heckert would want to go through another B.Q. Situation. Still doesnt mean it cant or wont happen.
So they'd be willing to trade up from #22 for Tannehill but wouldn't trade up from #4 to get RGIII????
You talk about having guts... lol
So they'd be willing to trade up from #22 for Tannehill but wouldn't trade up from #4 to get RGIII????
You talk about having guts... lol
I would actually cost less to trade up to get Tannehill that it would to trade up and get RGIII
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What makes you think they wouldnt be willing to move up from 22 to pick tannehill?? With that being said, I personally dont see it happening. I dont think Heckert would want to go through another B.Q. Situation. Still doesnt mean it cant or wont happen.
So they'd be willing to trade up from #22 for Tannehill but wouldn't trade up from #4 to get RGIII????
You talk about having guts... lol
So they'd be willing to trade up from #22 for Tannehill but wouldn't trade up from #4 to get RGIII????
You talk about having guts... lol
I never said anything about the #4 pick, was just talkin about the 22 and Tannehill. The more I think about it , if the browns do any trades with the 4 and 22 they'll move back for more picks.
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Just finished watching some tape on Tannehill... he's Good. I'm starting to think we may trade down from #4 to get some picks and get our QB. Tannehill is incredibly athletic, physiclaly built like a QB, and can make ALMOST all the throws. He struggles throwing the deep ball, but he's only played QB for one full season, so this can be fixed.
This guys is looking more and more like a top 15 pick, and I wouldn't mind havin him in Cleveland
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Earlier, I had told Cal that we might trade #4 down & pick up Richardson & Tannehill....To be honest, I wouldn't be upset were that to happen. With our numerous needs & the strength of this draft, additional picks would be nice & if Tannehill is gone, there are worse choices than Weeden.
We'll see, but I am loving this time of year THIS year! Just PLEASE, no Flynn!
Mike
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Earlier, I had told Cal that we might trade #4 down & pick up Richardson & Tannehill....To be honest, I wouldn't be upset were that to happen. With our numerous needs & the strength of this draft, additional picks would be nice & if Tannehill is gone, there are worse choices than Weeden.
We'll see, but I am loving this time of year THIS year! Just PLEASE, no Flynn!
Mike
Earlier, I had told Cal that we might trade #4 down & pick up Richardson & Tannehill....To be honest, I wouldn't be upset were that to happen. With our numerous needs & the strength of this draft, additional picks would be nice & if Tannehill is gone, there are worse choices than Weeden.
We'll see, but I am loving this time of year THIS year! Just PLEASE, no Flynn!
Mike
Sounds like you'll get your wish- regarding Flynn at least. Heckert said no big buck FAs. That rules out Flynn and Mario Williams.
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Just finished watching some tape on Tannehill... he's Good. I'm starting to think we may trade down from #4 to get some picks and get our QB. Tannehill is incredibly athletic, physiclaly built like a QB, and can make ALMOST all the throws. He struggles throwing the deep ball, but he's only played QB for one full season, so this can be fixed.
This guys is looking more and more like a top 15 pick, and I wouldn't mind havin him in Cleveland
Just finished watching some tape on Tannehill... he's Good. I'm starting to think we may trade down from #4 to get some picks and get our QB. Tannehill is incredibly athletic, physiclaly built like a QB, and can make ALMOST all the throws. He struggles throwing the deep ball, but he's only played QB for one full season, so this can be fixed.
This guys is looking more and more like a top 15 pick, and I wouldn't mind havin him in Cleveland
It sounds like Heckert may agree with you. As someone mentioned, it is just as likely that the Browns trade down and pick up extra draft choices to fill in more of their holes as it is that they would trade up to get RG.
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Earlier, I had told Cal that we might trade #4 down & pick up Richardson & Tannehill....To be honest, I wouldn't be upset were that to happen. With our numerous needs & the strength of this draft, additional picks would be nice & if Tannehill is gone, there are worse choices than Weeden.
We'll see, but I am loving this time of year THIS year! Just PLEASE, no Flynn!
Mike
Sounds like you'll get your wish- regarding Flynn at least. Heckert said no big buck FAs. That rules out Flynn and Mario Williams.
Sounds like you'll get your wish- regarding Flynn at least. Heckert said no big buck FAs. That rules out Flynn and Mario Williams.
actually, some disagree. doerschuk for one....shudel happens to agree with ya tho.
flynn doesn't necessarily qualify as a big buck FA....he's not making 10 mil a year, but 5 mil a year? thats not really big bucks. he's certainly not in the ball park of williams and manning....
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