Cassel ain't leaving NE
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There are reports that with the infection Brady had, he is way behind rehab schedule and could miss all of next year. They are covering their bases. Plus if you read the story, the Pats have the cap room to keep both next year.
Masters said:
There are reports that with the infection Brady had, he is way behind rehab schedule and could miss all of next year. They are covering their bases. Plus if you read the story, the Pats have the cap room to keep both next year.You mean that Cleveland isn't the only place with a staph problem?
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Masters said:
There are reports that with the infection Brady had, he is way behind rehab schedule and could miss all of next year. They are covering their bases. Plus if you read the story, the Pats have the cap room to keep both next year.You mean that Cleveland isn't the only place with a staph problem?
You mean that Cleveland isn't the only place with a staph problem?
It's a national problem, including in hospitals.
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Reports are that NE will franchise him.
Masters said:
Reports are that NE will franchise him.You guys do realize that franchising Cassel doesn'tmean he's not leaving New England, don't you?
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Masters said:
Reports are that NE will franchise him.You guys do realize that franchising Cassel doesn'tmean he's not leaving New England, don't you?
You guys do realize that franchising Cassel doesn'tmean he's not leaving New England, don't you?
Thus raising a market for Derek Anderson.
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Masters said:
Reports are that NE will franchise him.You guys do realize that franchising Cassel doesn'tmean he's not leaving New England, don't you?
You guys do realize that franchising Cassel doesn'tmean he's not leaving New England, don't you?
Of course. But with Brady coming back from ACL/MCL injury and being so far behind rehab there are questions on whether he'll play in the 2009 season, I find it far more likely he is staying in NE next season.
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@shepwrite said:
But NE can't let him walk and then find out that Brady isn't ready. They'd be screwed to the max.Yeah, but they probably wait until shortly before the draft to make a decision. If his progress isnt clear by then, then Cassel probably stays. But it should be clear one way or the other. Here's a BB move for you: Brady gets traded.
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@shepwrite said:
But NE can't let him walk and then find out that Brady isn't ready. They'd be screwed to the max.Yeah, but they probably wait until shortly before the draft to make a decision. If his progress isnt clear by then, then Cassel probably stays. But it should be clear one way or the other. Here's a BB move for you: Brady gets traded.
Yeah, but they probably wait until shortly before the draft to make a decision. If his progress isnt clear by then, then Cassel probably stays. But it should be clear one way or the other. Here's a BB move for you: Brady gets traded.
Why would they have to trade him before the draft? They were 11-5 with an all-star IR team.
They have no pressing need to pick up an extra draft pick this season. And there's always a team willing to trade for a very good QB well after the draft. (Heck - look at the Dolphins and Jets alone)
Seeing as there's no real way to test Brady's knee before the draft I'd guess they hold onto Cassel until early summer at least. There might even be some general understanding with a GM or Coach who's willing to take the chance not to use a high pick on a QB in the draft, knowing that there's a good chance Cassel could come their way later in the pre-season (say, Pioli as a GM or McDaniels as a head coach, for example).
With the exception of Tom Curran's report (who did not cite a source for his story) other reports are that Brady's knee is doing well - but one never knows.
Expect a scenario where Brady's knee gives the Patriots the excuse to Franchise Cassel (so as not to circumvent the spirit of that law) hold him beyond the draft, and trade him for a 2010 draft pick if and when Brady's knee is proven sound.
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If I recall correctly, you dont see many big post-draft trades. The uncertainty about the value of draft picks at that point is huge, and most GMs are busy signing their new guys and checking out UDFAs and the mid-summer cut list.
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The cap goes up to $128 million (I think that is the number) so they would pay Brady $15M and Cassel $14M and still have $$$ to sign their other players.
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The Patriots are moving Cassel, not keeping him. The franchise tag is just a tool they're using to receive some compensation rather than letting him hit the market as an unrestricted free agent.
I don't think anyone would be surprised if Pioli brought him along to Kansas City. Minnesota might be another home.
Here's the tag history of the Patriots:
"They've utilized it four times - on kicker Adam Vinatieri in 2002, safety Tebucky Jones in 2003, Vinatieri in 2005, and cornerback Asante Samuel in 2007.
In 2002, the Patriots waited until the last day to assign the franchise tag to Vinatieri. The sides had been negotiating a contract extension, but ran out of time. The tag was removed March 15 when Vinatieri inked a three-year extension.
In 2003, the Patriots again waited until the last day before assigning the franchise tag to Jones. Two months later, Jones was traded to the Saints for three draft choices - third- and seventh-round picks in 2003 and a fourth-rounder in 2004.
In 2005, the Patriots and Vinatieri were in a familiar situation, the team tagging Vinatieri on the last day. The sides couldn't reach an extension that offseason, so Vinatieri played that year under the one-year franchise tag figure, and left the following season - joining the Colts as a free agent - when the Patriots elected not to place the tag on him a third time.
In 2007, the Patriots and Samuel had reached a negotiating deadlock, and the team tagged him Feb. 16, which marked the first time the Patriots didn't wait until the deadline to utilize the tag (the deadline was Feb. 22). After Samuel held out of training camp, the Patriots negotiated an arrangement that they wouldn't tag him again in 2008 if he returned to the team for one year and played in 60 percent of the defensive snaps or the team won 12 games. Samuel met those conditions and signed as a free agent with the Eagles the following offseason."
SO:
- The tag got Vinatieri to the table the first time - a deal done and two SBs.
- The Tebucky tag was a joke, pulled on the Saints.
- The second Vinatieri tag kept him around for another year. And, by the time he left, the Pats had found a new Pro Bowl kicker with a bigger leg.
- The Samuel tag should have turned into another SB title, if Samuel himself had held one to his pick against the Giants.
This is how a real front office functions.
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@shepwrite said:
But NE can't let him walk and then find out that Brady isn't ready. They'd be screwed to the max.Yeah, but they probably wait until shortly before the draft to make a decision. If his progress isnt clear by then, then Cassel probably stays. But it should be clear one way or the other. Here's a BB move for you: Brady gets traded.
Here's a BB move for you: Brady gets traded.
That would be something.
That would certainly be worth a top 5 pick plus perhaps another super-late 1st super early 2nd. Billy B rings up his buddy in KC & get's their 3rd to cash in a few IOU's.
Curry, Cushing & Matthews for NE's 1st round to replace old, older, & oldest (Vrabel, Bruschi, Seau). Thomas & Mayo rounding out the blue-print for a 3-4 backer corps.
Yikes.
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The Patriots are moving Cassel, not keeping him. The franchise tag is just a tool they're using to receive some compensation rather than letting him hit the market as an unrestricted free agent.
I don't think anyone would be surprised if Pioli brought him along to Kansas City. Minnesota might be another home.
Here's the tag history of the Patriots:
"They've utilized it four times - on kicker Adam Vinatieri in 2002, safety Tebucky Jones in 2003, Vinatieri in 2005, and cornerback Asante Samuel in 2007.
In 2002, the Patriots waited until the last day to assign the franchise tag to Vinatieri. The sides had been negotiating a contract extension, but ran out of time. The tag was removed March 15 when Vinatieri inked a three-year extension.
In 2003, the Patriots again waited until the last day before assigning the franchise tag to Jones. Two months later, Jones was traded to the Saints for three draft choices - third- and seventh-round picks in 2003 and a fourth-rounder in 2004.
In 2005, the Patriots and Vinatieri were in a familiar situation, the team tagging Vinatieri on the last day. The sides couldn't reach an extension that offseason, so Vinatieri played that year under the one-year franchise tag figure, and left the following season - joining the Colts as a free agent - when the Patriots elected not to place the tag on him a third time.
In 2007, the Patriots and Samuel had reached a negotiating deadlock, and the team tagged him Feb. 16, which marked the first time the Patriots didn't wait until the deadline to utilize the tag (the deadline was Feb. 22). After Samuel held out of training camp, the Patriots negotiated an arrangement that they wouldn't tag him again in 2008 if he returned to the team for one year and played in 60 percent of the defensive snaps or the team won 12 games. Samuel met those conditions and signed as a free agent with the Eagles the following offseason."
SO:
- The tag got Vinatieri to the table the first time - a deal done and two SBs.
- The Tebucky tag was a joke, pulled on the Saints.
- The second Vinatieri tag kept him around for another year. And, by the time he left, the Pats had found a new Pro Bowl kicker with a bigger leg.
- The Samuel tag should have turned into another SB title, if Samuel himself had held one to his pick against the Giants.
This is how a real front office functions.
This is how a real front office functions.
Ahh, to have a real front office...
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This is what we should of done with DA intead of giving him a 3 year deal. Then we could of evaluated him through 08 season and made a better determination on a long term contract or to get rid of him.
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Yup.
Even better, he should have been traded after his big year. Something about buy low, sell high.
Someone suggested that at the time. I can't remember who...
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For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.
On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
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Our "front office" sure didn't leave us in a great position. It's like they knew they would be fired or something?
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For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.
On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
Masters said:
For who brought up DA. DA was a RFA and was tagged for a 1st and a 3rd. No one tried to sign DA but CLE. There is a reason he took the deal he got.On Cassel, no one really knows how Brady will be next year. QBs recovering from the injury he had do not have a good track record of succuss upon the 1st year back (see Palmer and Culpepper for recent examples). NE is not going to move Cassel and have no insurance policy for Brady.
Mik, you keep saying Phillip never had any offers for DA. My question is, why did he offer him what he did if there weren't offers on the table?
The bottom line is, certainly they could have gotten much better compensation pick wise then they will now, plus Queen would have a year under his belt.
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