Jamal Lewis was a better pick-up than Willis McGahee
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Nice, Stan. Interesting point.
Wonder what happened to McGahee? Is it physical? Has his knee gotten worse?
Or is it just that McClain is a monster and has beaten him out?
Either way, glad to see the Ravens did SOMETHING wrong recently. Bastards.
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Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
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Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
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Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
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Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
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Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
Lewis cost six million this year......McGahee cost Bmore 3 million......... so Lewis was less productive for the money........and McGahee was hurt most of the year.........so statistics do not really reflect who is better.......of course Lewis us to nowhere this year
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Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
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Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
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Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
Lewis cost six million this year......McGahee cost Bmore 3 million......... so Lewis was less productive for the money........and McGahee was hurt most of the year.........so statistics do not really reflect who is better.......of course Lewis us to nowhere this year
Lewis cost six million this year..............and McGahee was hurt most of the year.........so numbers do not really reflect who is better.......of course Lewis us to nowhere this year
Injury is just as important. If you can only have your RB for 1/2 the season, someone who stays healthy looks more attractive.
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read my post again and requote it with figures for McGahee and say the same thing you just said.......or edit it to reality.........and I will delete this post
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McGahee traded to Ravens, signs long-term deal
By Michael Smith and Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Updated: March 8, 2007, 10:08 PM ET
The Ravens and Bills agreed to a trade Thursday that will send running back Willis McGahee to Baltimore in exchange for the team's third and seventh-round picks in this year's draft, along with the Ravens' third-round pick in 2008.
Hours after the trade was announced Thursday afternoon, ESPN.com learned McGahee will sign a new seven-year contract with Baltimore, the last two seasons of which are options years, that can be worth a total of $40.12 million. In terms of so-called "new money," the contract places McGahee among the NFL's five highest-paid running backs.
McGahee will receive an initial signing bonus of $7.5 million and subsequent option bonuses of $6 million after the 2007 season and $1.5 million following the 2008 season, for a total of $15 million. The base salaries are $595,000 (2007), $605,000 ('08), $620,000 ('09), $3.6 million ('10), $6 million ('11), $6.5 million ('12) and $7.2 million ('13).
Even without the option years at the end of the contract, the deal is worth $26.42 million over five years.
Buffalo dealt McGahee in anticipation of difficulty re-signing him.
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According to this, McGahee only cost the Ravens $600K this season. Don't know if this will include any kind of bonuses though. The sad thing is look on the right column and see where the Ravens and Browns are in team salaries.
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Why do you assume what Stan put up was the cap figure and what I put up earlier was not accurate???????????? My numbers are accurate...........he did ask for cap numbers and I provided them geesh!
compare apples and apples I put of cap figures for this year.........
Lewis cost 6 million
McGahee cost 3 million
McGahee even hurt produced more for the money
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McGahee traded to Ravens, signs long-term deal
By Michael Smith and Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Updated: March 8, 2007, 10:08 PM ET
The Ravens and Bills agreed to a trade Thursday that will send running back Willis McGahee to Baltimore in exchange for the team's third and seventh-round picks in this year's draft, along with the Ravens' third-round pick in 2008.
Hours after the trade was announced Thursday afternoon, ESPN.com learned McGahee will sign a new seven-year contract with Baltimore, the last two seasons of which are options years, that can be worth a total of $40.12 million. In terms of so-called "new money," the contract places McGahee among the NFL's five highest-paid running backs.
McGahee will receive an initial signing bonus of $7.5 million and subsequent option bonuses of $6 million after the 2007 season and $1.5 million following the 2008 season, for a total of $15 million. The base salaries are $595,000 (2007), $605,000 ('08), $620,000 ('09), $3.6 million ('10), $6 million ('11), $6.5 million ('12) and $7.2 million ('13).
Even without the option years at the end of the contract, the deal is worth $26.42 million over five years.
Buffalo dealt McGahee in anticipation of difficulty re-signing him.
McGahee will receive an initial signing bonus of $7.5 million and subsequent option bonuses of $6 million after the 2007 season and $1.5 million following the 2008 season, for a total of $15 million. The base salaries are $595,000 (2007), $605,000 ('08), $620,000 ('09), $3.6 million ('10), $6 million ('11), $6.5 million ('12) and $7.2 million ('13).
Sounds like he's already banked $13.5 Mil + base salaries of $595,000 (07') & $605,000 (08') .... with another $1.5 Mil owed following this season.
That's over $16-mil ... plus the Ravens gave up draft picks. those bonuses may spread over the length of the contract as far as cap hit goes, but if they part ways with him this off-season all dumps on next years cap right?
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Why you defending McGahee so tooth-n-nail Rich? Is he a relative or something?
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They both embraced the suckage.
You guys are now arguing who sucked less. Have fun with that.
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I did not argue with anyone I just put the facts instead of distortion
Lewis cost six million this year against the cap'
McGahee cost three million and was hurt a good part of the year
Boom simple as that ..............McGahee got more per dollar than Lewis who lead us to nowhere
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How are you figuring McGahee's $3 Mil? He appears to have pocketed at least $15 Mil already. Are all of those bonues pro-rated? Is he playing for free besides the signing bonuses? ... did they not give up a 3rd round pick?
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to realize that we got the better, more durable, less expensive, more experienced Running back, without giving up any draft picks, or even swapping two others.
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You provided some numbers of stats for the two players.
You asked what they made against the cap
You omitted that McGahee was injured a good part of the year and the Bmore also used McClain who is way better than Lewis right now. You did not factor in McClain.
I provided the cap numbers for both players for 2008
six million for Lewis
and 3 million for McGahee
Last year 2007 Lewis cost 3.5 against the cap
and McGahee 1.84 against the cap
That is what they are!
if you think Lewis is worth six million and better than McGahee great......... I think he is a worn out tap dancer who average 3.6 yards a carry and either he is washed up or our 37 million dollar line sucks take your pick..........I think McGahee is better right now.........
not much to debate...........is an injured McGahee coming back I cannot predict that but he did break off a 70 yard run to put Bmore in the playoffs in the last game.......and like I said Lewis lead us to zero TD's the last six games
considering McClain's emergence and having Ray Rice as well who can also play whom was also not factored in I would assume the Ravens will try to restructure the remaining contract of McGahee big time or move him.........remmeber Contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL and I suspect 3.8 of McGahee's 7 mil bonus is used up since he seems to have burned 2.4 mil this year based on the bonus numbers of yours and 1.3 last year. He probably has a similar amount next year and those option bonuses are out year monies and it is not clear if any of that is guaranteed. It seems for sure the 7.5 mil was guaranteed and he probably has received around 2.8 mil of that to date counting the 2.4 mil this year and 1.35 last year.
So if Bmore releases McGahee it likely costs them about 3.7 mil in cap costs to do so
Bottom line Lewis stinks he is done
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Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
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Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
======================
Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
======================
Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
======================
Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
screw the cap numbers there isnt anything we can do about that, but as far as getting results J Lewis definatley outshined wounded knee McGahee and Lewis has to be atleast 10 years older!
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Good point, Stan.
The more amazing thing is that a workhorse like Matt Forte signed a 4 year, $3.781 M rookie contract. Even a late 1st Rounder like Chris Johnson only got a 5 year, $12 M deal.
But if you draft a RB in the top 5, you're going to pay much more than either McGahee or Lewis got. For instance, Darren McFadden got a 6 year, $60 M deal from the Raiders.
If we draft Beanie Wells at pick #5, we'll end up paying him something in that ballpark. So if we do, I'll be hoping he's as good as Shep & Russ think he is (if not better).
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it would be nice to pick up another first rounder in this years draft. then we could get a Beanie Wells if he comes out or and still go after a stud Defensive player.
After thinking about it PS and Rac really didnt do a whole lot in 4 years except trying experiments. and we are only 1 or 2 steps ahead of personel that we will need, when we should be 10 steps ahead by now........ now im sick!
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Willis McGahee's stats since leaving Buffalo for Baltimore two seasons ago:
2007: 294 carries for 1207 yards
2008: 170 carries for _671 yards
======================
Total: 464 carries for 1878 yard
Jamal Lewis' stats since leaving Baltimore for Cleveland two seasons ago:
2007: 298 carries for 1304 yards
2008: 279 carries for 1002 yards
======================
Total: 577 carries for 2306 yard
I'm assuming that Jamal Lewis was a hell of a lot less expensive as well, anyone have the cap numbers?
Lewis cost six million this year......McGahee cost Bmore 3 million......... so Lewis was less productive for the money........and McGahee was hurt most of the year.........so statistics do not really reflect who is better.......of course Lewis us to nowhere this year
Lewis cost six million this year......McGahee cost Bmore 3 million......... so Lewis was less productive for the money........and McGahee was hurt most of the year.........so statistics do not really reflect who is better.......of course Lewis us to nowhere this year
Rich I understand you have to hate all things Browns but Jamal cost less, got more yards, didn't cost us 2 3rd's and a 7th, and got one less TD in that span..plus as you try and swing in McGahee's favor for some reason, Lewis has been healthy and McGahee has not.
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McGahee is being paid 8.1M this year, with a CAP number of 3.1M http://content.usatoday.com/sports/footbal...amp;player=2911
Lewis is being paid 6.5M this year, with a CAP number of 8.5M http://content.usatoday.com/sports/footbal...amp;player=1384
He has been "dinged up this year", but nothing serious. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerInjur?categoryId=140447
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