Cbo: Obamacare Will Kill 800,000 Jobs..obamacare, Two Years Later
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@mld-woody said:
Yes! Prove it to T!
He wants facts!
He would never posts things that aren't facts, like say, some kind of list of opinions and lies labeled as facts. That is something he would never do!
And if he was ever asked to prove his statement with facts you know he would! He'd never just change the subject or ignore what you asked. Never!
You are a Joke Woody.
Back to the subject:
So the case of Obvama's Commie care goes to the supremes this week. If the communist law does not get overturned for being unconstitutional then it is time to start impeaching some judges for not upholding their sworn duty.
For Woodie and Heckless, the info about what the commie care law would cost sent to the CBO was based on lies from the donks.
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Obamacare, Two Years Later
This week marks two years since of the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and if the Obama administration has chosen to all but ignore the second anniversary of Obamacare, the rest of us should pause and reflect on just what a monumental failure of policy the health-care-reform law has been.
What’s more, it has been a failure on its own terms. After all, when health-care reform was passed, we were promised that it would do three things: 1) provide health-insurance coverage for all Americans; 2) reduce insurance costs for individuals, businesses, and government; and 3) increase the quality of health care and the value received for each dollar of health-care spending. At the same time, the president and the law’s supporters in Congress promised that the legislation would not increase the federal-budget deficit or unduly burden the economy. And it would do all these things while letting those of us who were happy with our current health insurance keep it unchanged. Two years in, we can see that none of these things is true.
For example, we now know that, contrary to claims made when the bill passed, the law will not come close to achieving universal coverage. In fact, as time goes by, it looks as if the bill will cover fewer and fewer people than advertised. According to a report from the Congressional Budget Office released last week, Obamacare will leave 27 million Americans uninsured by 2022. This represents an increase of 2–4 million uninsured over previous reports. Moreover, it should be noted that, of the 23 million Americans who will gain coverage under Obamacare, 17 million will not be covered by real insurance, but will simply be dumped into the Medicaid system, with all its problems of access and quality. Thus, only about 20 million Americans will receive actual insurance coverage under Obamacare. That’s certainly an improvement over the status quo, but it’s also a far cry from universal coverage — and not much bang for the buck, given Obamacare’s ever-rising cost.
At the same time, the legislation is a major failure when it comes to controlling costs. While we were once told that health-care reform would “bend the cost curve down,” we now know that Obamacare will actually increase U.S. health-care spending. This should come as no surprise: If you are going to provide more benefits to more people, it is going to cost you more money.... This failure to control costs means that the law will add significantly to the already-crushing burden of government spending, taxes, and debt....
Next week, Obamacare will slouch its way to the Supreme Court. How the justices decide will be based on questions of constitutional law. Their decision will set a crucial precedent in setting the boundaries between government power and individual rights. But regardless of whether the Court upholds Obamacare or strikes it down, in whole or in part, we should understand that, simply as a matter of health-care reform, Obamacare is a costly and dangerous failure.
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Ha. And now we're talking about something different.
T, what about those 800,000 jobs you said Obamacare was going to kill? You still stand by this thread? You still think that's what the CBO was saying?
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@mld-woody said:
Yes! Prove it to T!
He wants facts!
He would never posts things that aren't facts, like say, some kind of list of opinions and lies labeled as facts. That is something he would never do!
And if he was ever asked to prove his statement with facts you know he would! He'd never just change the subject or ignore what you asked. Never!
You are a Joke Woody.
Back to the subject:
So the case of Obvama's Commie care goes to the supremes this week. If the communist law does not get overturned for being unconstitutional then it is time to start impeaching some judges for not upholding their sworn duty.
For Woodie and Heckless, the info about what the commie care law would cost sent to the CBO was based on lies from the donks.
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So what's this then, Steve? Here you have a story that's a year old, that was wrong a year ago, being brought out again this week on the two-year anniversary of Obamacare/the death of freedom. And it's still wrong.
You can say your side is wrong every once in a while, you know. You can tell Cal and T that they've got their facts wrong. It won't hurt you. After all, you're not a campaign spin team. You just seem to think Reagan's 11th commandment applies to you, too. But it doesn't.
So what's this then, Steve? Here you have a story that's a year old, that was wrong a year ago, being brought out again this week on the two-year anniversary of Obamacare/the death of freedom. And it's still wrong.
You can say your side is wrong every once in a while, you know. You can tell Cal and T that they've got their facts wrong. It won't hurt you. After all, you're not a campaign spin team. You just seem to think Reagan's 11th commandment applies to you, too. But it doesn't.
I don't actually know how much more obama care will cost.
Probably you don't either, but I expect it will be substantial.
By the end of june it might not matter anymore.
WSS
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We're not talking about how much it costs, are we? We're talking about what the CBO said. We went through it a year ago. And now the same lie is back, masquerading as truth.
You seemed to accept it then, and do now. I'm wondering if T can accept new information. I'm not optimistic.
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Heck we were told to except the lies that Pelosi and Reed told the CBO from the get go on HC.
You fail at the spin.
Also as noted I started the thread and I also included the costs of how Health Insurance has rose since the fools voted in this draconian legislation which has been based on a bunch of lies. And you refuse to acknowledge these Facts. Why is that Heck?
Don't you remember how this was labeled as Affordable Health Care? This is nothing more than another ponzi scheme where the end results is for the government takeover another indusstry while looting and taxing every citizen.
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We're not talking about how much it costs, are we? We're talking about what the CBO said. We went through it a year ago. And now the same lie is back, masquerading as truth.
You seemed to accept it then, and do now. I'm wondering if T can accept new information. I'm not optimistic.
We're not talking about how much it costs, are we? We're talking about what the CBO said. We went through it a year ago. And now the same lie is back, masquerading as truth.
You seemed to accept it then, and do now. I'm wondering if T can accept new information. I'm not optimistic.
Actually as I said I don't know how much more it will cost.
And again as I said before probably a lot.
I don't ever trust any numbers that are based on guesstimates to begin with and project out over many years.
WSS
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Again, that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about the CBO's estimate on changes to the labor supply. People who don't know what the term "labor supply" means think the CBO was saying it would cost 800,000 jobs. But that's not what it means.
Remember this?
It's just comical. I ask you to go ahead and feel free to say Cal and T are wrong, and you change the subject to costs. I point to the thread topic and say that wasn't what we were talking about, and you post about costs again. I suppose it doesn't change the fact that Cal and T were wrong, and that shouldn't surprise anyone. It's just kind of funny. You are their protector.
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bs. Heck, how much do you get paid to be stupid about all this, in defending Obamao?
Given that it is ESTIMATED... it's close enough to perfect, for me, to say it doubled.
Here, Heck - stop your dumbass quibbling over words:
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Bunker said:
the study:Obamacare Medical Device Tax Will Cost 39,000 Jobs And 2 Billion Personal Income.
You just find the best sources, huh?
lol
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Seriously. "A new study has been released prepared for the Advanced Medical Technology Association (AdvaMed)by Battelle Technology Partnership Practice, the study finds that a tax associated with Obamacare."
A new study, commissioned by the lobbying arm of the medical device industry, done by a front group for the medical device lobbying industry, finds that the medical device industry is awesome.
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