The Running Back Conundrum (Richardson Thread)
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@mike-h said:
You think that people didn't "evaluate" the talent on all of those RB misses?
Every year, this SAME DISCUSSION goes on about how much to value each running back.
Trent Richardson is not Adrian Peterson until he proves it. He could be another Ki-Jana Carter or William Green, you just DON'T KNOW. And I guess you don't KNOW that with any position you pick in the draft. It's a gamble.
Why gamble with your most important pick at a position that is 1.) Not the focal point of your offense. 2.) Has such a high ceiling but whose cellar is a bottomless pit and 3.) has been supplemented continually in th 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds? (even UDFA's hit successfully enough to mention).
The fact is that MORE successful teams find their running backs in later rounds and do fine with the players they pick who fit THEIR systems. B Jax fits in Cleveland. So does Oggy. The Browns do not, I repeat, DO NOT need Trent Richardson and the risk of him not living up to the hype with their No. 4 overall pick.
What was the Vikings' record last year?
AP had a great year and wore down and was injured. He's wearing down already and gets injured a lot because he takes a beating.
That is the very reason teams are switching to a multi-back system.
Ahmad Bradshaw, when was he drafted? When was Brandon Jacobs drafted? How many SB do both of them have?
How many does AP or LT have?
RB's are not the answer, especially in today's game and the Browns' offense.
Forgot to add this to the list of TIRED arguments.
"Ahmad Bradshaw, when was he drafted? When was Brandon Jacobs drafted? How many SB do both of them have?
How many does AP or LT have?"
Its similar to the guy with money that can't get women to look at him. Could it be looks or personality? There are 30 guys fighting for one girl and one happens to win- so we rule out the traits that one of losers had? Are there other explanations why players on teams you mentioned are either winning or losing or not even sniffing Super Bowls? Of course.
If the WCO is 60% pass mostly short catch timing patterns with run after the catch emphasized and 40% run. What is wrong with adding a guy like Richardson who would likely become 10-15% of your pass game and 30% of your run game. We should be complaining that we are looking at Blackmon who will figure into less of our offense. But I realize a deep threat WR opens up other areas in his presence alone to make a big play down the field. I not completely against drafting Blackmon by the way. I'll just take 5-7 years of dominance that I think Trent Richardson can bring to our offense- but he's just one piece to the puzzle- which I'm sure you'll argue is not an important piece.
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AP has played in the NFL for 5 years... he's expected to return to the starting lineup week 1 and ready to go. This would be his 6th NFL season correct? He doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon. We'll have to see how he looks when he returns but all indications so far is that he'll be the same force he has been in the past. Even if he is not the same and his skills have slightly diminished he's still 5 times better than Oogy Boogy, hardesty and Jackson... just saying.
Trent could be a force for 10 years or more in the NFL. He's only 20 years old right? He'll be barely 21 when the season starts.
Look, I get where you're coming from. I was bummed when we passed on Peterson in favor of Joe Thomas but we needed a LT. Well, we've got our LT. I'm not willing to count out Little as being a #1 WR at this level. I think that he'll continue to get better. He's 6'3" 230 lbs with good leaping ability and good moves after the catch. I think that he can be a #1 this year. So with that said, we have our LT, our WR, our QB in Colt, our C in Mack... what more do you want until we can take our franchise RB? Take trent NOW and we can add more pieces next draft but get Trent now because he is a once in a blue moon type player.
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Watched every game on DirectTV.
How many times did you see Hillis on short swings or some other back on a quick flair out of the backfield? Often but probably not more than we will see because of personnel. I really think the Front office had more of problem with Hillis in this area. He was a guy that couldn't make the first man miss and when teams aimed to stop him the help defense was all over him even when he ran the first guy over.
If we had a choice I will take T Rich over Martin by the way. I think you have some good players at #22 for WR (although I'm saying J. Martin here at RT) Another guy to keep an eye on is TY Hilton- although I think he's a slot guy- but if folks were disppointed we didn't get Deseasn Jackson-I think this kid has every opportunity to be the type of playermaker he is.
"T Rich isn't going to beat DB's in the end zone is he? He's not going to run tough slants in bump n run coverage and fight for the ball over the head of DB's is he?" Is Blackmon going to keep a pass rush honest by running solidly between the tackles? Is Claiborne going to catch slants from Colt? I can go on and on.
There is no cure for our bad offense with one pick. I won't argue that T. Rich is going to make the Browns offense a juggernaut- he's an important and IMO the best piece to the puzzle in our current situation at #4.
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Player Class Pos Yards Att TD Y/A
Adrian Peterson SO RB 1,108 220 14 5.04
Jacob Gutierrez SO RB 254 48 2 5.29
Did the Vikings make the right pick?
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i hope all you trent richardson he-man love club members have all your nooses ready because the way you talk it's as if you can't live....."if living is without you(trent)!" cuz the browns aren't drafting him.
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i hope all you trent richardson he-man love club members have all your nooses ready because the way you talk it's as if you can't live....."if living is without you(trent)!" cuz the browns aren't drafting him.
i hope all you trent richardson he-man love club members have all your nooses ready because the way you talk it's as if you can't live....."if living is without you(trent)!" cuz the browns aren't drafting him.
Great song, but the other night I peeked in on American Idol and one of the contestants was doing that song (and doing a pretty good job).
But that dumbass Randy Jackson said something on the order of "Wow, Mariah Carey would be proud of how you sang her song". I thought WTF, asshole. That song was a great hit by Harry Nillson before Mariah Carey was ever freeking born.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
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i hope all you trent richardson he-man love club members have all your nooses ready because the way you talk it's as if you can't live....."if living is without you(trent)!" cuz the browns aren't drafting him.
Great song, but the other night I peeked in on American Idol and one of the contestants was doing that song (and doing a pretty good job).
But that dumbass Randy Jackson said something on the order of "Wow, Mariah Carey would be proud of how you sang her song". I thought WTF, asshole. That song was a great hit by Harry Nillson before Mariah Carey was ever freeking born.
Great song, but the other night I peeked in on American Idol and one of the contestants was doing that song (and doing a pretty good job).
But that dumbass Randy Jackson said something on the order of "Wow, Mariah Carey would be proud of how you sang her song". I thought WTF, asshole. That song was a great hit by Harry Nillson before Mariah Carey was ever freeking born.
and badfinger also did a version.
randy jackson is an ass. i like the way he calls everyone dude, even the women.
the term dude was born in cali from the surf crowd. doubt randy jackson has ever surfed or even been in the water........just sayin.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
DUDE (heh). i don't hate trent richardson. i just like claiborn better at #4. which would leave maybe just 2 holes to fill on that side of the ball. then you're done worrying about that side of the ball. period.
richardson is no doubt a great player BUT as many have stated in these nemerous posts of yours that you can find a RB in the later rounds that could be just as good, better or worse, who knows? no one can put a guarantee on anyone of these guys.
if we pick richardson kudos to you. don't be surprised if we don't. i know i won't be. i also know i won't be surprised if they trade down.
do we have to keep posting new threads about him until the day of the draft though?????? c'mon man.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
No need to oversell it.
He's BPA in a position of extreme need.
What's comical is the fact that people are downplaying the position. If you don't think that Richardson is an elite prospect that is one thing. I bet there are a few scouts out there that think he'll be decent and nothing special. BUT The guy will touch the ball 40% of the time on offense. Mark it down. If we run 70 plays expect 28 touches. I've seen enough to say that what we have now isn't close to what he brings to the table. That is also 28 times that Colt has to do little or nothing with the ball. I'm sold.
And the you can find another player of his caliber in later rounds? You can't find a Corner or WR later? Well I'd like the Browns to take Vinny Curry in the 2nd round. I think getting to the QB is more important than getting another potential lockdown corner. I also see the one big issue down the road of paying both guys. Haden is 10+ mil. a year corner do you give his partner 10+ mil and put 20 mil. in one position- I guess you do if there is no salary cap.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
No need to oversell it.
He's BPA in a position of extreme need.
What's comical is the fact that people are downplaying the position. If you don't think that Richardson is an elite prospect that is one thing. I bet there are a few scouts out there that think he'll be decent and nothing special. BUT The guy will touch the ball 40% of the time on offense. Mark it down. If we run 70 plays expect 28 touches. I've seen enough to say that what we have now isn't close to what he brings to the table. That is also 28 times that Colt has to do little or nothing with the ball. I'm sold.
And the you can find another player of his caliber in later rounds? You can't find a Corner or WR later? Well I'd like the Browns to take Vinny Curry in the 2nd round. I think getting to the QB is more important than getting another potential lockdown corner. I also see the one big issue down the road of paying both guys. Haden is 10+ mil. a year corner do you give his partner 10+ mil and put 20 mil. in one position- I guess you do if there is no salary cap.
No need to oversell it.
He's BPA in a position of extreme need.
What's comical is the fact that people are downplaying the position. If you don't think that Richardson is an elite prospect that is one thing. I bet there are a few scouts out there that think he'll be decent and nothing special. BUT The guy will touch the ball 40% of the time on offense. Mark it down. If we run 70 plays expect 28 touches. I've seen enough to say that what we have now isn't close to what he brings to the table. That is also 28 times that Colt has to do little or nothing with the ball. I'm sold.
And the you can find another player of his caliber in later rounds? You can't find a Corner or WR later? Well I'd like the Browns to take Vinny Curry in the 2nd round. I think getting to the QB is more important than getting another potential lockdown corner. I also see the one big issue down the road of paying both guys. Haden is 10+ mil. a year corner do you give his partner 10+ mil and put 20 mil. in one position- I guess you do if there is no salary cap.
'extreme need?' you could say that with about 7 positions on each side of the ball.
i doubt if we draft another DE unless he's a monster, since we spent our who FA signing them. look for CB and LBs though and that's why i say claiborn, jauron will be pleading for heckert to pull the trigger on the guy.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
DUDE (heh). i don't hate trent richardson. i just like claiborn better at #4. which would leave maybe just 2 holes to fill on that side of the ball. then you're done worrying about that side of the ball. period.
richardson is no doubt a great player BUT as many have stated in these nemerous posts of yours that you can find a RB in the later rounds that could be just as good, better or worse, who knows? no one can put a guarantee on anyone of these guys.
if we pick richardson kudos to you. don't be surprised if we don't. i know i won't be. i also know i won't be surprised if they trade down.
do we have to keep posting new threads about him until the day of the draft though?????? c'mon man.
DUDE (heh). i don't hate trent richardson. i just like claiborn better at #4. which would leave maybe just 2 holes to fill on that side of the ball. then you're done worrying about that side of the ball. period.
richardson is no doubt a great player BUT as many have stated in these nemerous posts of yours that you can find a RB in the later rounds that could be just as good, better or worse, who knows? no one can put a guarantee on anyone of these guys.
if we pick richardson kudos to you. don't be surprised if we don't. i know i won't be. i also know i won't be surprised if they trade down.
do we have to keep posting new threads about him until the day of the draft though?????? c'mon man.
IMHO, going D early would probably complete THAT side of the ball, but without SIGNIFICANT improvement to our offense, that D will be on the field far too long, fatigued & more prone to serious injury. Then you're playing subs (without much depth), causing performance of the D to suffer. I think it's a no brainer....We MUST go offense early & often in this draft to balance this Team & give us a significant foundation on which to build...on BOTH sides of the ball. Of course, I'm a huge Richardson backer & have been since last regular season, but we'll see what Heckert & co do at the draft. Whether or not it's Trich with #4, I'll be surprised if this draft (early) is not heavy on the offensive side of the ball.
Mike
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Extreme Need-
RB (ogawhatever, hardestknee...ouch), WR (a #1 or #2 depending on how you feel about Little), RT (frightening honestly)
Need
QB (will see), OLB, S, CB, DE (always need rushers we have only one that can get to the QB)
Depth
OG, FB (although I would say this is a need), MLB (jackson backup), DT
You always need plenty of DEs and DTs. If you get a RT and DE you can honestly say we are pretty set in the trenches.
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it's all up in the air.
we all have our favorites and not everyone will be happy. i know we need all those positions mentioned above to be addressed in this draft. who what and when becomes the FO's biggest decisions. a lot could be looming over their heads this year and to fuck the draft up could be their demise.
i would say it would be pretty hard to screw this up with all the talent out there. but don't be surprised if we're not on the browns tavern live chat going: WTF???? WHO??? JESUS BLEEPING BLEEP TA DA BLEEP!!
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it's all up in the air.
we all have our favorites and not everyone will be happy. i know we need all those positions mentioned above to be addressed in this draft. who what and when becomes the FO's biggest decisions. a lot could be looming over their heads this year and to fuck the draft up could be their demise.
i would say it would be pretty hard to screw this up with all the talent out there. but don't be surprised if we're not on the browns tavern live chat going: WTF???? WHO??? JESUS BLEEPING BLEEP TA DA BLEEP!!
it's all up in the air.
we all have our favorites and not everyone will be happy. i know we need all those positions mentioned above to be addressed in this draft. who what and when becomes the FO's biggest decisions. a lot could be looming over their heads this year and to fuck the draft up could be their demise.
i would say it would be pretty hard to screw this up with all the talent out there. but don't be surprised if we're not on the browns tavern live chat going: WTF???? WHO??? JESUS BLEEPING BLEEP TA DA BLEEP!!
That's funny stuff Miktoxic! ...and Oh so true! -
Trent's been saying some Cleveland-ish things on twitter lately. Is it OK to like him or will it make me a T-Rich fag who is hugging his nut?
RT @TrentRich03: Love the brownie mascot. Bring back the elf
Zombo
--Seems like a religious young man as well, we could have a "Holy Roller" backfield with him and McCoy
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Trent's been saying some Cleveland-ish things on twitter lately. Is it OK to like him or will it make me a T-Rich fag who is hugging his nut?
RT @TrentRich03: Love the brownie mascot. Bring back the elf
Zombo
--Seems like a religious young man as well, we could have a "Holy Roller" backfield with him and McCoy
Zombo said:
Trent's been saying some Cleveland-ish things on twitter lately. Is it OK to like him or will make me a T-Rich fag who is hugging his nut?
RT @TrentRich03: Love the brownie mascot. Bring back the elf
Zombo
--Seems like a religious young many as well, we could have a "Holy Roller" backfield with him and McCoy
If he can bring Brownie back I'm all for taking him.
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Gotta click the link to see the video... good stuff! Man, we have to fix our offense and it starts with drafting this kid. There is no excuse.
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...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
...Colt McCoy will be signing this song about Trent Mid September if we fail this draft...
1)If we were picking 10th this year we'd ALL be bummed about not being able to draft Trent.
2)Once in a Blue-Moon does a team wind up this lucky, to be in the position we're in to draft a special player like #3...
3)K.I.S.S - Keep it simple stupid. Don't overthink this pick or outsmart yourselves, Trent SHOULD be our pick at 4.
4)It's not often that 1 player can upgrade each and every position on your team... Trent does this. Makes the OL look better, makes Colts job easier/takes pressure off Colt to preform at his best, helps the WR get open through the play action pass, increases the quality of blocking on blitz pickups and improves the running game by 100%, helps keep the Defense fresh because we can grind on the clock.
5)Every hater of the TRuth pick at 4 keep thinking that this draft will constitute an end product! We will continue to add pieces through FA(which is much easier to find a great WR if you're willing to spend the money, much harder to get a team to part with an AP runningback, true?). We also have more drafts to continue to add more pieces to next year and the year after that, ect. ect...
6)Don't like Trent for the Browns? Boo-Hoo! Too bad- it's happening... Trent IS coming...
Amen to that........Amen
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