Greg Williams Bounty Audio Leaked
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Well, aren't you charming. I'm sure that's everyone's takeaway from this little exchange.
I'm not going to argue whether or not this "shit" is "all over football." My point was it is not normal, nor nearly as pervasive as some, including yourself, would have you believe.
Further, my point is, there's no place for it in the modern game.
"I guarantee that just about every team in the NFL had something similar running before this."
Hit pools, and game pools have been a part of the NFL as long as there's been an NFL. But that brings up two points...
1.) There's a big difference between a hit pool which rewards big plays, and the premeditated intent to injure.
2.) Just because it has been a part of the game, doesn't mean it should be.
"...the only thing Williams did wrong was give money to players for causing injuries. It was actually LEGAL for him to call out players injuries and instruct his players to go after them it just waste legal to pay them afterwards."
You're walking a line between two points... are you challenging whether or not what Williams did was "wrong," or "LEGAL"? The two words aren't diametrically opposed. Not everything that is wrong is illegal, and not everything that is legal is right.
Even so, I'd argue that what Gregg Williams did outside of the payment of money was not only wrong, but illegal... in terms of NFL rules, if not local laws and statutes and society in general. But those points rely on a moral code that you and I obviously disagree on. So be it.
But the point on which we may agree, is that it doesn't help you win. It doesn't make you a better player. It doesn't matter how many players you injure, how many ankles you twist in a pile. What matters is the scoreboard. If I can get 11 guys to play with passion, in unison... one goal, one unit, all that other stuff is schoolyard bullshit. You know what's intimidating? Giving up 17 yards on the ground for 4 quarters, putting 55 on the board in a half. That's intimidating.
What you're describing happens - and I'm not trying to be inflammatory here - far more frequently in substandard programs. It happens where teams are at a direct organizational, strategic, or competitive disadvantage.
This is why it has no place in the NFL. In the NFL, nobody's at a disadvantage. These are the best 1600 players in the world. Nothing about this belongs here. And if it doesn't belong in the NFL where it's truly pay for performance - perform to survive, then it absolutely doesn't belong at lower levels.
And what's worse, is left unchecked, it will eventually choke the game out of existence. Every concussion, every injury, and every fucking rah rah speech from a sadist goon that gets recorded, the more parents steer their kids away from our game. Without kids, we have no game.
I take my role as a coach very seriously. And that comes with responsibilities. Part of those responsibilities is to preserve the game itself. And we can't preserve the game if we cannot protect the people who play it. Injuries are an unfortunate byproduct of a violent game. They are never to be an intended outcome. If you allow this kind of benchmark, this kind of scenario, where the injury is the stated goal, instead of the accidental consequence, it'll be the death knell for this game.
So you can call me what you want. I'm entirely comfortable with who I am, how I coach, and the results I get. But, I won't abide someone trying to destroy the my game.
-jj
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Hmmmm, I wonder if drivers in Nascar get paid to wreck other drivers on purpose? Or if pitchers in baseball beam the batters in purpose.
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I'm sorry guys, but I've been around locker rooms at all levels for 20+ years, and that is not "common" or "normal". And brownfish, I want you to see a psychologist... Or the inside of a Dale Carnegie class. I've been hiring and training salespeople for almost as long, and you wouldn't last five minutes in my world.
In the interest of Gregg Williams, I reiterate, this is not normal. Quality coaches can build emotion through opportunity, excellence through execution. Williams approach is asinine. He's a sadist who believes that fear and intimidation breeds respect. It doesn't. You're not intimidating anyone at the NFL level.
All I hear when I hear a brainless Neanderthal like Williams speak is 'my guys, my scheme aren't good enough to beat your best eleven. So we have to get rid of some of them so we can play against the backups.'
Now, do you read the injury report to see if a guy is 100%? Absolutely. If I find a tackle with a sore knee, I'm going to make him move... See what he can do. But I don't need to hurt him. If I've got a guy coming off a concussion, I don't want to give him space to get comfortable. I want to force him to play fast, play in traffic, force contact. I'm not trying to hurt him. But guys coming off concussions tend to be tentative, and tentative guys make mistakes when forced to play fast and physical.
I mean, is Williams so afraid of Alex Smith, that he has to try to get him out of the game? Really? Is your team that bad? We're talking about Alex Smith here.
This guy is a gangrenous limb on football, and needs to be amputated, not treated. If Roger Goodell is the guy I think he is, Gregg Williams will never see the inside of an NFL locker room ever again.
-jj
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I always find it funny that on these boards when someone disagree's with someone they are always seem to have the "experience" and the "job" that should prove people wrong. Not calling you a lair in particular but a lot of people on this board are full of shit. Now I have 9 years of looker room experience and I I have several classes with players at BG and lived across from a suite of 6 of them last year. Out of those 9 years of playing football (peewee through high school) there were only two years were we were not encouraged to aim for peoples injuries or weak spots. Those two years were during Jr. High and our coach then was more interested in telling us to just run some laps so he could run of to the woods to smoke a joint than he was in actually coaching us.
My junior year after my second concussion my coaches were talking about getting me this juggernaut helmet, which was like an extra shell on top of the helmet that we always say these two kids where when we played another team. But we decided against it because all everyone did against those kids were go for head shots, so I just got a modified interior to the helmet.
One year when we were walking into a visiting locker room underneath bleachers and guy from the other teams student section started spitting on us. We had to hold one of our coaches back to keep him from running up there. We figured out who the guy was since our towns were in the same county and a lot of people from our schools knew each other and we found out he joined the football team the next season. I goes without saying our coach told us to make that game hell for him. We were bad with it. Punching soft spots and twisting joints in the pile. At one point one of my friends was jogging behind him down the field and he just straight kidney punched him in front of our sideline and dropped him like a sack of potatoes.
The worst one was when we played Coldwater my Junior year. This is the team the produced the Homan brothers for Ohio State. They always beet the shit out of us and their players were pompous assholes. There was a kid playing DT in the gap between two of my best friends who played Center and RG while I played RT. The kid was garbage and was running his mouth (most of their DL was garbage but when you have Adam Homan at MLB it doesn't really matter). Everytime he would get pancaked he would get up and just start going "Score board!". Well in the huddle I hear my friend at C talking to my friend at RG. Next play we get stopped at the line against but I see this kid at DT waddle off the field crying and my two friends high fiving. The kid never came back out the play the rest of the game. In the locker room my friend at C (who was a captain btw) told me that him and RG double teamed him and knocked him flat on his back and the both grabbed on of his arms and started twists/bending them. My friend who played C put so much pressure on the guys right arm that he literally snapped it and we know he broke his arm because we ran into the guy 6 months later during the county fair and he was talking about the game and how someone broke his arm in a pile (he didn't recognize who did it)
As far with players at BG, I've talked to them about up and coming games and I have talked to some of the DL in particular and they have mentioned gunning for injuries. I know a guy who purposely went head hunting on WR's before they made the rule in college more strict.
So you might have had experience where you never have seen anyone coach to injure, but I sure as hell have and especially with my high school coaches I respect the hell out of them.
Now I have 9 years of looker room experience
yeah the first 2 years you were the water boy and then you got promoted to picking up dirty jock straps.
wow. those are some 'glory days'!
i thought you couldn't be anymore of an asshole with your richardson man-love but this puts you over the top.
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Now I have 9 years of looker room experience
yeah the first 2 years you were the water boy and then you got promoted to picking up dirty jock straps.
wow. those are some 'glory days'!
i thought you couldn't be anymore of an asshole with your richardson man-love but this puts you over the top.
yeah the first 2 years you were the water boy and then you got promoted to picking up dirty jock straps.
wow. those are some 'glory days'!
i thought you couldn't be anymore of an asshole with your richardson man-love but this puts you over the top.
What the fuck is your problem. Cause I think a player is good you don't like me even though I have said I would really be happy with anything we do there other than drafting Tannehill or Kalil. Mind getting off what ever pedestal you've placed yourself on. I don't mind what people think about my "glory days" they are what they are I look back on them fondly just like everyone else you played and enjoyed the sport.
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oh and another thing.....what kind of liability do these scumbag teammates of yours HarryPotter have with the injury (broken arm) of the player on the opponents' team?
you and your fuckin so-called 'great coach' wouldn't have anything to do during football season because if i was the parent of that kid your whole program would be shut down and the parents (of those kids) and your farging school would have lawyers jammed up your tight little quiffin asses so fast you all would be the ones who'd be crying.
i guess you'd have to transfer over to the chess club, huh? nah, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself with anything that actually took some brains.
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oh and another thing.....what kind of liability do these scumbag teammates of yours HarryPotter have with the injury (broken arm) of the player on the opponents' team?
you and your fuckin so-called 'great coach' wouldn't have anything to do during football season because if i was the parent of that kid your whole program would be shut down and the parents (of those kids) and your farging school would have lawyers jammed up your tight little quiffin asses so fast you all would be the ones who'd be crying.
i guess you'd have to transfer over to the chess club, huh? nah, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself with anything that actually took some brains.
oh and another thing.....what kind of liability do these scumbag teammates of yours HarryPotter have with the injury (broken arm) of the player on the opponents' team?
you and your fuckin so-called 'great coach' wouldn't have anything to do during football season because if i was the parent of that kid your whole program would be shut down and the parents (of those kids) and your farging school would have lawyers jammed up your tight little quiffin asses so fast you all would be the ones who'd be crying.
i guess you'd have to transfer over to the chess club, huh? nah, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself with anything that actually took some brains.
Actually was Vice President of the chess club, but as I already said nothing came to happen from my friend breaking a guys arm, nor did anything happen to any other team that did similar shit to us. It's not like we were the assholes of the area it was shit that every team did. As I said tit for tat.
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BG meaning bowling green state?
i grew up 45 east of there in sandusky. we car pooled to a couple of BG games every year.
i like that part of the state.
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BG meaning bowling green state?
i grew up 45 east of there in sandusky. we car pooled to a couple of BG games every year.
i like that part of the state.
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BG meaning bowling green state?
i grew up 45 east of there in sandusky. we car pooled to a couple of BG games every year.
i like that part of the state.
BG meaning bowling green state?
i grew up 45 east of there in sandusky. we car pooled to a couple of BG games every year.
i like that part of the state.
Did you ooze out of The Blue Hole?
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Did you ooze out of The Blue Hole?
when we used to drive the country roads in our 'vans' route 369 through castalia was a great little ride. all the time listening to journey and smoking js. we'd go over the bridge towards marblehead and party below the lighthouse.
if serious politicians from the area ever thought of it they could transform that whole area into a 'north-coast' vacation destination. islands. cedar point. the wreck of the edmund fitz........(i know it's not there but the song.).
now they have milion dollar boat houses built atop a creek my friends and i thought was the ohio river gliding down on a raft built with a pllet atop 2 50 gal empty oil barrels...all attached with clothesline roap and electrical wire.
our version of tom sawyer and fuck finn.
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I'm basing my opinion of this on what ALOT of players from the NFL have come out and said and what I remember from playing high school football. When I played, we always had a knowledge of anyone on the other team who was dealing with a certain injury. It was understood that you never purposely hurt a guy, I agree with that. It wasn't like I'd go out there and specifically aim for an injury at the expense of making the play. But you did test the guy.
Countless NFL players have come out and said the same thing. Defensive coordinators and players are familiar with what good players on the other teams have and go out there and test it. It doesn't have to be dirty, but when you have the chance to do it you test him. That's part of the NFL whether you believe it or not as has been for a long, long time. Now where I can agree is that what williams did cross the line in a major way. Targeting players and telling people to aim for the head, tear ACL's and break ankles is ridiculous.
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Congratulations. You're well on your way to being a sociopath.
Food for thought... Football is a game. When played properly, it's a lot of fun. I'm not sure what you're describing, but it's not football. I'm sure you enjoy it though.
-jj
Harry Buffalo must be one of the most boring people on earth to hang out with. Sweet hs football stories.
Regardless of what people think about me, it's obvious that Jason is more than likely just some pansy/pussy, this kind of shit is all over football. It's in peewee and Jr High all over the nation and it sure as shit is all over OHSAA (at least in the smaller schools) and I guarantee that just about every team in the NFL had something similar running before this. And as much as Jason has made it clear that he hates it the only thing Williams did wrong was give money to players for causing injuries. It was actually LEGAL for him to call out players injuries and instruct his players to go after them it just waste legal to pay them afterwards.
Regardless of what people think about me, it's obvious that Jason is more than likely just some pansy/pussy, this kind of shit is all over football. It's in peewee and Jr High all over the nation and it sure as shit is all over OHSAA (at least in the smaller schools) and I guarantee that just about every team in the NFL had something similar running before this. And as much as Jason has made it clear that he hates it the only thing Williams did wrong was give money to players for causing injuries. It was actually LEGAL for him to call out players injuries and instruct his players to go after them it just waste legal to pay them afterwards.
I think you are a Sociopath. JasonJ is well respected on this and other football boards and knows more then you could ever imagine knowing junior.
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