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Mark O

So in your mind Richardson is worth 6 wins?

How does his dick taste?

miktoxic

i'm starting to come along with the idea of picking richardson or blackmon. i was all about claiborn but instead of being pig-headed as usual i can see the wisdom of grabbing a sure-fire offensive playmaker with #4.

now if we trade down all bets are off and you MIGHT see the OL being our target. don't like it but it's all a crap shoot anyways right?

calfoxwc

If the Browns draft Richardson,

they will draft other players with their other picks, Mark.

In total, that would fix several problems for the Browns.

Doug Martin is fine by me, cept that he's no Richardson.

There hasn't been a Richardson in several drafts.

That makes Richardson and everybody else drafted on draft day by the Browns -

a dynamic improvement in the functionality of the offense, and maybe the defense, too.

That's how I read it.

Coltcussion

Draft Richardson and the steelers will knock him out. We need to think outside the box on this one

Taco918

@coltcussion said:

Draft Richardson and the steelers will knock him out. We need to think outside the box on this one

Wouldn't drafting a RB at 4 in a pass happy leauge be thinking outside of the box?

hoorta

PG, please stop drinking the Richardson Kool-aid. It can realistically be said the Vikings had better talent than the Browns last year, had Adrian Peterson (better than Richardson by all accounts) for over half the season, and still managed to win fewer games than the Browns. 11-5 is Pie in the Sky Crackheaded thinking.

The Browns could easily go 4-12 with MCoy at qb, and a few key injuries. 9-7 with anyone drafted- that's as rose colored as I can get, and frankly, I'm not feeling it right now. We still don't have a linebacker that could start for either the Steelers or Ravens. And who's or RT? Yes, that's right- we don't have one worth a damn currently on the roster. You thinking Heckert is going to pull another draft day miracle out of his hat and find another Sebastian Vollmer in the fourth round?

PS looking at the schedule- could be 2-14 sorry about reality.

MLD Woody

trade back a few spots

Harry Buffalo

@hoorta said:

PG, please stop drinking the Richardson Kool-aid. It can realistically be said the Vikings had better talent than the Browns last year, had Adrian Peterson (better than Richardson by all accounts) for over half the season, and still managed to win fewer games than the Browns. 11-5 is Pie in the Sky Crackheaded thinking.

The Browns could easily go 4-12 with MCoy at qb, and a few key injuries. 9-7 with anyone drafted- that's as rose colored as I can get, and frankly, I'm not feeling it right now. We still don't have a linebacker that could start for either the Steelers or Ravens. And who's or RT? Yes, that's right- we don't have one worth a damn currently on the roster. You thinking Heckert is going to pull another draft day miracle out of his hat and find another Sebastian Vollmer in the fourth round?

PS looking at the schedule- could be 2-14 sorry about reality.

I think Richardson puts more wins on the board than anyone else we can draft there. I'm not thinking 11-5 but losing all but two of our games by 1 TD last season with NO running game makes me think we could have turned the season from 4-12 to something more around 7-9. And how in the hell were the Vikings any better. They have Harvin who is really only effective if used right and has a good QB, no QB, Jared Allen who is not their whole offense, and a solid MLB. After that their shit. That is an example of why a great RB by himself won't take a team to the playoffs not a great RB with a good defense and balanced offense.

Oh and by Tannehill you might as well put (Colt still starter) cause he isn't coming in unless/when Colt gets hurt and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Wallace or Lewis (depending on who is kept as a back up in that situation) instead of Tannehill.

Tour2ma · Week 1 Sunday 9/9/2012 Bengals @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

@poeticg said:
Browns with Richardson: 11-5

... and Trent is the Rookie of the Year...

... and Trent is league MVP...

... and in a massive write-in campaign Trent is elected POTUS...

... and Trent balances the budget... while slashing taxes... and increasing entitlements...

... and Trent discovers a cure for erectile disfunction...

But don't leave us hanging Po-G... Does Trent lead us to victory in SB XLVII???

Would have made a great April Fools thread...

1 more season

0-5 start.

6-12 on the year.

Harry Buffalo

@tour2ma said:

... and Trent is the Rookie of the Year...

... and Trent is league MVP...

... and in a massive write-in campaign Trent is elected POTUS...

... and Trent balances the budget... while slashing taxes... and increasing entitlements...

... and Trent discovers a cure for erectile disfunction...

But don't leave us hanging Po-G... Does Trent lead us to victory in SB XLVII???

Would have made a great April Fools thread...

The most important thing he could do for mankind.

The Gipper · Week 1 Sunday 9/9/2012 Bengals @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

@poeticg said:

Hey Brownies, let's play a little game here. I say that the Browns are gonna stay at the 4 spot and take a playmaker there. We have Trent Richardson. We have Justin Blackmon. We have Morris Claiborn and Ryan Tannihill. This is our upcoming opponents:

Week 1 Sunday 9/9/2012 Bengals @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 2 Sunday 9/16/2012 Browns @ Giants CBS 1:00 PM

Week 3 Sunday 9/23/2012 Browns @ Cowboys CBS 4:15 PM

Week 4 Thursday 9/27/2012 Ravens @ Browns NFLN 8:20 PM

Week 5 Sunday 10/7/2012 Browns @ Broncos CBS 4:15 PM

Week 6 Sunday 10/14/2012 Chargers @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 7 Sunday 10/21/2012 Redskins @ Browns FOX 1:00 PM

Week 8 Sunday 10/28/2012 Browns @ Steelers CBS 1:00 PM

Week 9 Monday 11/5/2012 Eagles @ Browns ESPN 8:30 PM

Week 10 BYE

Week 11 Sunday 11/18/2012 Bills @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 12 Sunday 11/25/2012 Steelers @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 13 Sunday 12/2/2012 Browns @ Bengals CBS 1:00 PM

Week 14 Sunday 12/9/2012 Browns @ Raiders CBS 4:15 PM

Week 15 Sunday 12/16/2012 Browns @ Colts CBS 1:00 PM

Week 16 Sunday 12/23/2012 Chiefs @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 17 Sunday 12/30/2012 Browns @ Ravens CBS 1:00 PM

Predict what our record would be if we took each player. I'll start...

Browns with Richardson: 11-5

Browns with Blackmon: 8-8

Browns with Claiborn: 7-9

Browns with Tannihill: 5-11

What's your call?

It hasn't been confirmed yet that this is the schedule, has it?

miktoxic

with that schedule and considering half our roster will be made up of rookies i'm looking at 4 and 12....again, UNLESS shurmur can learn from last year's mistakes, open up the playbook a little more and the receivers can catch the farking ball and there is a semblence of a running game (richardson or not).

Coltcussion

@taco918 said:

Wouldn't drafting a RB at 4 in a pass happy leauge be thinking outside of the box?

Thats outside the box thinking, but it may be counter productive. Every year the steelers and ravens defenses thump the browns. We need to thump them back. Trade up and take Kalil at #3, then grab another guard with the second first rounder. I don't think trent richardson is going to injure any of the steeler linebackers, but two gigantic tackles and a mammoth guard certainly will. Take the fight to the D

USFBrown

@coltcussion said:

Thats outside the box thinking, but it may be counter productive. Every year the steelers and ravens defenses thump the browns. We need to thump them back. Trade up and take Kalil at #3, then grab another guard with the second first rounder. I don't think trent richardson is going to injure any of the steeler linebackers, but two gigantic tackles and a mammoth guard certainly will. Take the fight to the D

You must have had a Coltcussion yourself. Trade up for Kalil?! :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Gipper

@miktoxic said:

with that schedule and considering half our roster will be made up of rookies i'm looking at 4 and 12....again, UNLESS shurmur can learn from last year's mistakes, open up the playbook a little more and the receivers can catch the farking ball and there is a semblence of a running game (richardson or not).

With all the yabbering about Colt McCoy, or Peyton Hillis, or our WRs or etc., etc., I am still of the opinion that the weakest part of the Browns organization is with their HC and their offensive coaching staff.

Its one thing to not have the talent....and in some areas the Browns are clearly talent deficient...it is another thing to depress the ability of the talent you have with poor, pathetic coaching.

And that my friends is the main concern about the Cleveland Browns in my eyes.

We can go get Richardson, or Blackmon, or any other WR/RB/RT/QB combination we want.

In the system that Shurmur ran I am not sure that Joe Montana and Jerry Rice could have performed well....

and, theoretically, its supposed to be the same system.

SDBrownsFan

@the-gipper said:

With all the yabbering about Colt McCoy, or Peyton Hillis, or our WRs or etc., etc., I am still of the opinion that the weakest part of the Browns organization is with their HC and their offensive coaching staff.

Its one thing to not have the talent....and in some areas the Browns are clearly talent deficient...it is another thing to depress the ability of the talent you have with poor, pathetic coaching.

And that my friends is the main concern about the Cleveland Browns in my eyes.

We can go get Richardson, or Blackmon, or any other WR/RB/RT/QB combination we want.

In the system that Shurmur ran I am not sure that Joe Montana and Jerry Rice could have performed well....

and, theoretically, its supposed to be the same system.

I didn't care for Shurmur being picked.

I will say, as a fellow coach (not on his level of course) you can only do so much with the talent you have. If your leading a team and fixing internal conflicts and making marginal players good and good players great players in your system. You are doing your job. We had a 1-15 type offense. If he does the above and we improve into an offense capable of more wins than we should have- He's fine in my book. That may not be firm enough for some- but its a reality. That is why I have been preaching the pick won't be Claiborne and we will invest heavily in offense in this draft.

I think this all goes back to Belicheck. We are result oriented organization. We don't look at the process enough. I fear we may be headed down the same road with McCoy by drafting Tannehill. I honestly didn't expect Colt to do well with the environment he had last year.

Coltcussion

@usfbrown said:

You must have had a Coltcussion yourself. Trade up for Kalil?! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Im not gonna lie, I've had a few Coltcussions in my time. Still, unless i can get a refund on my william green jersey, I dont want to draft another rb in the first. Maybe we trade #4 pick, move back and take mike adams and the guard from stanford later on. The bears have a bad line, but they get away with it because they have jay cutler. We have a decent line and colt, and its not working out. We need a great line if we are going to win with colt. Stack the o-line again, pick up matt barkley next year, drop him behind that line and avoid a sam bradford situation.

SDBrownsFan

@coltcussion said:

Im not gonna lie, I've had a few Coltcussions in my time. Still, unless i can get a refund on my william green jersey, I dont want to draft another rb in the first. Maybe we trade #4 pick, move back and take mike adams and the guard from stanford later on. The bears have a bad line, but they get away with it because they have jay cutler. We have a decent line and colt, and its not working out. We need a great line if we are going to win with colt. Stack the o-line again, pick up matt barkley next year, drop him behind that line and avoid a sam bradford situation.

I think you are going too far. We need a quality RT- that's it. Let our guards develope and it should easier for them with a Hall of Fame LT a Pro Bowl Center and a 1st round or early 2nd round RT (Pick 22 or 37).

The best assets for a QB: an anchor protecting your blindside, a center who can help make all the line calls, a great back and some experienced WRs. If we were to draft a couple WRs this year- year 2 they should be productive (that position takes a year) and Little will be in year 3.

The Gipper

@sdbrownsfan said:

I didn't care for Shurmur being picked.

I will say, as a fellow coach (not on his level of course) you can only do so much with the talent you have. If your leading a team and fixing internal conflicts and making marginal players good and good players great players in your system. You are doing your job. We had a 1-15 type offense. If he does the above and we improve into an offense capable of more wins than we should have- He's fine in my book.

I think the binder on your book is broken. If he is not fixing internal conflicts? If he is taking great or good players and making them marginal?

In my book, that is what he has done...or at least he has done nothing to exploit the talent he does have on his team. He may have average talent...and making it well below average.

That may not be firm enough for some- but its a reality.

I think what I said is more the reality.

That is why I have been preaching the pick won't be Claiborne and we will invest heavily in offense in this draft.

I think this all goes back to Belicheck. We are result oriented organization. We don't look at the process enough. I fear we may be headed down the same road with McCoy by drafting Tannehill. I honestly didn't expect Colt to do well with the environment he had last year.

Then change the environment...not the implement.