The Best Player Taken In Each Draft
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3 Michigan Men in the 2000s
lol, Brady at #199
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How in the hell is Peterson the best pick last year over Miller, Green, Smith, Dalton, and Newton. I don't think his returning should be taken into account. He is a starting CB and in that role he was average at best and really under performed his draft slot. I really think it should be between Smith, Newton, and Miller.
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Someone commented on it earlier, and it sparked me to check this out. These are the players that I think were the BEST ones chosen in each draft, since 1936!. These are my selections. Some were hard, some very easy. I have also for most of them put in the top competition for these players, so you can second guess if you like. I include the year, name, team and selection slot they were taken:
1936 Joe Stydahar T Bears #6
1937 Sammy Baugh QB Redskins #6
1938 Bruiser Kinard T Brooklyn #18
1939 Sid Luckman QB Bears #2
1940 George McAffee HB Eagles #2
1941 Tony Canadeo HB Packers #77
1942 Bill Dudley HB Steelers #1
1943 Al Wistert OT Eagles #32
1944 Otto Graham QB Lions #4 (over Van Buren and Waterfield)
1945 Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch RB Rams #5
1946 George Conner T Giants #5
1947 Art Donovan DT Giants #204 (over Lavelli)
1948 Bobby Layne QB Bears #3 (over Y.A. Tittle)
1949 Chuck Bednarik C/LB #1 Eagles (over Van Brocklin and Blanda)
1950 Leo Nomellini DT 49ers #11 (over Ernie Stautner)
1951 Bill George LB Bears #23 (over Andy Robustelli and Jack Christensen)
1952 Gino Marchetti DE Dallas Texans #14 (over Matson,Giffor, McElhenny)
1953 Joe Schmidt LB Lions #85 (over Jim Ringo, John Henry Johnson, Doug Atkins)
1954 Raymond Berry WR Colts #232
1955 Johnny Unitas QB Steelers #102
1956 Forrest Gregg OT Packers #21 (over Starr, Lenny Moore, Willie Davis)
1957 Jim Brown RB Browns #6 (over Hornung, Dawson, Jurgenson)
1958 Ray Nitscke LB Packers #36 (over Jim Taylor, Bobby Mitchell
1959 Dick LeBeau DB Browns #58
1960 Jim Otto C Raiders
1961 Deacon Jones DE Rams #186 (over Adderly/Lilley/Ditka/Tarkenton)
1962 Merlin Olsen DT Rams #3 (Over Alworth and Buonticonti)
1963 John Mackey TE Colts #19 (over Buck Buchanan)
1964 Roger Staubach QB Cowboys #129 (over Warfield/Kelley/Hayes/Eller)
1965 Dick Butkus LB Bears #3 (over Sayers/Namath/Biletnikoff)
1966 Tom Mack C Rams #2 (over Jan Stenerud)
1967 Alan Page DT Vikings #15 (over Griese/Upshaw/Little)
1968 Art Shell OT Raiders #80 (over Csonka/Yary/Bethea)
1969 Joe Greene DT Steelers #4 (over OJ Simpson/Ted Hendricks/Charlie Joiner)
1970 Terry Bradshaw QB Steelers #1 (over Mel Blount)
1971 Dan Dierdorf OT Cards #43 (over Riggins/Ham/Youngblood)
1972 Franco Harris RB Steelers #13 (only HOF player taken that year)
1973 John Hannah OG Pats #4 (over Fouts/Dellamaleure)
1974 Jack Lambert LB Steelers #46 (over Swann/Stallworth/Webster/Caspar)
1975 Walter Payton RB Bears #4 (over Randy White/Fred Dean)
1976 Lee Roy Selmon DT Bucs #1 (over Haynes/Largent/Harry Carson)
1977 Tony Dorsett RB Cowboys #2 (only HOF player drafted that year)
1978 Earl Campbell RB Oilers #1 (over Lofton/Ozzie Newsome)
1979 Joe Montana QB 49ers #82 (over Hampton/Winslow Sr.)
1980 Anthony Munoz OT Bengals #3 (over Monk/Stephenson)
1981 Lawrence Taylor LB Giants #2 (over Lott/Singletary/Grimm/Howie Long)
1982 Mike Munchak OG Oilers #8 (over Marcus Allen/Tippett)
1983 John Elway QB Colts #1 (over Marino/Kelly/Dickerson/Greene/Dent)
1984 Wilbur Marshall LB Bears #11 (note: no HOFers drafted in 1984 regular draft, but the 1984 Supplemental Draft had Reggie White, Steve Young and Gary Zimmerman)
1985 Jerry Rice WR 49ers #16 (over Bruce Smith/Doleman)
1986 Charles Haley DE 49ers #96 (note: Haley nor any other 1986 draftee is in HOF
1987 Rod Woodson DB Steelers #10
1988 Michael Irvin WR Cowboys #11 (over Thurman Thomas)
1989 Barry Sander RB Lions #3 (over Aikman/Deion Sanders)
1990 Emmitt Smith RB Cowboys #17 (over Shannon Sharpe/Cortez Kennedy)
1991 Brett Favre QB Falcons #33
1992 Darren Woodson DB Cowboys #37
1993 Willie Roaf OT Saints #8 (over Strahan/Will Shields)
1994 Larry Allen OG Cowboys #46 (over Falk, Mawae)
1995 Curtis Martin RB Pats #74 (over Sapp/Brooks)
1996 Ray Lewis LB Ravens #26 (over Ogden/T.O./Zach Thomas)
1997 Tony Gonzales Chiefs #13 (over Pace/Walter Jones)
1998 Peyton Manning QB Colts #1 (over Charles Woodson/Faneca/Randy Moss)
1999 Champ Bailey DB Redskins #7 (over McNabb/Tory Holt)
2000 Tom Brady QB Pats #199 (over Brian Urlacher)
2001 Steve Hutchinson OG Seahawks #17 (over Tomlinson/Seymour)
2002 Ed Reed DB Ravens #24 (over Julius Peppers/Dwight Freeney)
2003 Troy Polamalu DB Steelers #16 (over Andre Johnson/Kevin Williams)
2004 Larry Fitzgerald WR Cards #3 (over E.Manning/BR/Kevin Williams/Rivers)
2005 Demarcus Ware LB Cowboys #11 (over Rodgers/Gore)
2006 Nick Mangold C Jets #29 (over Ngata/Hester)
2007 Patrick Willis LB 49ers (over Joe Thomas/Revis/Peterson/Cal. Johnson)
2008 Jake Long OT Dolphins #1 (over Chris Johnson)
2009 Clay Matthews LB Packers #26 (over Orakpo/BJ Raji)
2010 Ndamakong Suh DT Lions #2 (over Pouncey/Pierre-Paul)
2011 Patrick Peterson CB Cards #5 (over AJ Green/Von Miller)
Nice work ... but Tomlinson trumps Hutchinson in 01.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Nice work ... but Tomlinson trumps Hutchinson in 01.
Zombo
It is hard to compare an O Lineman to a QB/RB/WR. I chose Hutchinson because he by far has had more Pro Bowl appearances and 1st team AP All Pro selections.
7 Pro Bowls, 5 1st team all pros
LT has had 5 Pro Bowls and 3 all pros. LT did have an MVP in 2006. So, it is close enough to be arguable.
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05 has to be Rogers.
05 has to be Rogers.
Again, same deal. Demarcus Ware 6 Pro Bowls, 4 First team all pro.
Rodgers only 2 Pro Bowls and 1 first team All Pro
A caveat is that with active players it is hard to judge. By the time each career is over, you may be right. Interimly however Ware I think has had the overall better career to date.
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How in the hell is Peterson the best pick last year over Miller, Green, Smith, Dalton, and Newton. I don't think his returning should be taken into account. He is a starting CB and in that role he was average at best and really under performed his draft slot. I really think it should be between Smith, Newton, and Miller.
How in the hell is Peterson the best pick last year over Miller, Green, Smith, Dalton, and Newton. I don't think his returning should be taken into account. He is a starting CB and in that role he was average at best and really under performed his draft slot. I really think it should be between Smith, Newton, and Miller.
Peterson is the only rookie to make the AP first team all Pro and the Pro Bowl. If his return ability added to those selections, so be it. Only Miller and Green were the other rookies to make the Pro Bowl. For them it was after just one year. Ultimately things will likely play out differently, but after one year, I will stick with the objective accolades.
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3 Michigan Men in the 2000s
lol, Brady at #199
I paid absolutely no attention to which college these players attended.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns sure didn't get in that line, did they?
Not sure what you mean by that, but here is how it breaks down per team:
Steelers 8
Bears 7
Cowboys 7
49ers 5
Packers/Lions/Rams/Colts 4 each
Eagles/Giants/Pats/Cards 3 each
Redskins/Browns/Raiders/Oilers/Ravens 2 each
Bucs/Bengals/Falcons/Saints/Chiefs/Seahawks/Jets/Dolphins 1 each
Panthers/Texans/Jags/Chargers/Broncos/Bills none (OJ?)
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Zombo said:
Nice work ... but Tomlinson trumps Hutchinson in 01.
Zombo
It is hard to compare an O Lineman to a QB/RB/WR. I chose Hutchinson because he by far has had more Pro Bowl appearances and 1st team AP All Pro selections.
7 Pro Bowls, 5 1st team all pros
LT has had 5 Pro Bowls and 3 all pros. LT did have an MVP in 2006. So, it is close enough to be arguable.
It is hard to compare an O Lineman to a QB/RB/WR. I chose Hutchinson because he by far has had more Pro Bowl appearances and 1st team AP All Pro selections.
7 Pro Bowls, 5 1st team all pros
LT has had 5 Pro Bowls and 3 all pros. LT did have an MVP in 2006. So, it is close enough to be arguable.
It's not arguable. One is a Guard and one is a Running Back.
Guards don't get voted League MVP, they contribute to success, they don't bring it.
I see you have Mike Munchak over Marcus Allen as well. I don't remember a 73 yard run by Munchak in the Super Bowl.
Guards are great, those guys deserve to be Hall of Famers but they are just Guards.
Allen and Tomlinson were superstars and playmakers who won games.
At one point, Tomlinson was not just the beat player from his draft class, he was the best player in the League. No Guard ever was.
Zombo
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The fish that got away: The following "best" players were drafted by one team but played either all or most of their career with another team:
Otto Graham, drafted by Lions played for Browns
Art Donovan, drafted by Giants played for Colts
Bobby Layne, drafted by Bears played for Lions
John Unitas, drafted by Steelers played for Colts
Dick LeBeau, drafted by Browns played for Lions
John Elway, drafted by Colts played for Broncos
Brett Favre, drafted by Falcons played for Packers
Curtis Martin, drafted by Pats played for Jets
Champ Bailey, drafted by Redskins played for Broncos
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It is hard to compare an O Lineman to a QB/RB/WR. I chose Hutchinson because he by far has had more Pro Bowl appearances and 1st team AP All Pro selections.
7 Pro Bowls, 5 1st team all pros
LT has had 5 Pro Bowls and 3 all pros. LT did have an MVP in 2006. So, it is close enough to be arguable.
It's not arguable. One is a Guard and one is a Running Back.
Guards don't get voted League MVP, they contribute to success, they don't bring it.
I see you have Mike Munchak over Marcus Allen as well. I don't remember a 73 yard run by Munchak in the Super Bowl.
Guards are great, those guys deserve to be Hall of Famers but they are just Guards.
Allen and Tomlinson were superstars and playmakers who won games.
At one point, Tomlinson was not just the beat player from his draft class, he was the best player in the League. No Guard ever was.
Zombo
Zombo said:
It's not arguable. One is a Guard and one is a Running Back.
Guards don't get voted League MVP, they contribute to success, they don't bring it.
I see you have Mike Munchak over Marcus Allen as well. I don't remember a 73 yard run by Munchak in the Super Bowl.
Guards are great, those guys deserve to be Hall of Famers but they are just Guards.
Allen and Tomlinson were superstars and playmakers who won games.
At one point, Tomlinson was not just the beat player from his draft class, he was the best player in the League. No Guard ever was.
Zombo
And without the Guards, Tackles and Centers, Tomlinson and Allen are knocked on their asses for a 4 yard loss instead of a 73 yard gain.
And if I say it is arguable, it is arguable, because I am arguing

(But I still feel you...these were some of the hardest choices)
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Zombo: are you arguing that the offensive skill player should always be given the preference over the OL or Defensive player?
There are a number of times that I chose an OT over a QB/WR/RB. Do you include OTs in your position?
Or what about a DL/LB/DB over the offensive skill player.
....or is it just OGs and Centers you are prejudiced against?
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05 has to be Rogers.
Again, same deal. Demarcus Ware 6 Pro Bowls, 4 First team all pro.
Rodgers only 2 Pro Bowls and 1 first team All Pro
A caveat is that with active players it is hard to judge. By the time each career is over, you may be right. Interimly however Ware I think has had the overall better career to date.
Again, same deal. Demarcus Ware 6 Pro Bowls, 4 First team all pro.
Rodgers only 2 Pro Bowls and 1 first team All Pro
A caveat is that with active players it is hard to judge. By the time each career is over, you may be right. Interimly however Ware I think has had the overall better career to date.
Ware is a great talent, but Rodgers has that one thing that beats a pro bowl, a championship ring.
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Again, same deal. Demarcus Ware 6 Pro Bowls, 4 First team all pro.
Rodgers only 2 Pro Bowls and 1 first team All Pro
A caveat is that with active players it is hard to judge. By the time each career is over, you may be right. Interimly however Ware I think has had the overall better career to date.
Ware is a great talent, but Rodgers has that one thing that beats a pro bowl, a championship ring.
Ware is a great talent, but Rodgers has that one thing that beats a pro bowl, a championship ring.
So does the long snapper on the Packers. So did Mark Rypien, and neither of them were going to get the vote as the best player drafted. That alone couldn't be my sole criteria...though it could certainly come into play as the years go on.
Most guys drafted pre 2000 I can get a handle on. For post 2000 I had to go mostly with Pro Bowl/1st team results.
E.g. for 2004 I chose Larry Fitzgerald over both Eli and BR. I have a feeling that at the conclusion of their careers it may not stay that way, but for now, I chose the guy with the most accolades over the 2 QBs with 2 rings.
(Nevertheless, good food for thought)
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Zombo said:
It's not arguable. One is a Guard and one is a Running Back.
Guards don't get voted League MVP, they contribute to success, they don't bring it.
I see you have Mike Munchak over Marcus Allen as well. I don't remember a 73 yard run by Munchak in the Super Bowl.
Guards are great, those guys deserve to be Hall of Famers but they are just Guards.
Allen and Tomlinson were superstars and playmakers who won games.
At one point, Tomlinson was not just the beat player from his draft class, he was the best player in the League. No Guard ever was.
Zombo
And without the Guards, Tackles and Centers, Tomlinson and Allen are knocked on their asses for a 4 yard loss instead of a 73 yard gain.
And if I say it is arguable, it is arguable, because I am arguing

(But I still feel you...these were some of the hardest choices)
And without the Guards, Tackles and Centers, Tomlinson and Allen are knocked on their asses for a 4 yard loss instead of a 73 yard gain.
And if I say it is arguable, it is arguable, because I am arguing

(But I still feel you...these were some of the hardest choices)
Yes, apparently, and surprisingly, it is arguable.
It is easy for me though, because I followed their careers.
Greatness is not mathematical, you can't just add up Pro Bowls and All Pros and measure guys from different positions and eras equally.
But here's some math: LaDanian Tomlinson scored 162 TDS.
In a 149 games with the Chargers, he scored 153 TDs ... more than a TD per game.
If you are the GM and they are re-holding the the 2001 draft, Do you take the guy that is going to average a touchdown a week for nine years, or are you going to take a really good guard who is a really good blocker and makes lots of All-Pro teams?
I'll take the touchdowns ... and the 18,500 yards from scrimmage. I'll find a decent guard to block for him.
Zombo
--Superstars win games and sell tickets ... guards block.
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And without the Guards, Tackles and Centers, Tomlinson and Allen are knocked on their asses for a 4 yard loss instead of a 73 yard gain.
And if I say it is arguable, it is arguable, because I am arguing

(But I still feel you...these were some of the hardest choices)
Yes, apparently, and surprisingly, it is arguable.
It is easy for me though, because I followed their careers.
Greatness is not mathematical, you can't just add up Pro Bowls and All Pros and measure guys from different positions and eras equally.
But here's some math: LaDanian Tomlinson scored 162 TDS.
In a 149 games with the Chargers, he scored 153 TDs ... more than a TD per game.
If you are the GM and they are re-holding the the 2001 draft, Do you take the guy that is going to average a touchdown a week for nine years, or are you going to take a really good guard who is a really good blocker and makes lots of All-Pro teams?
I'll take the touchdowns ... and the 18,500 yards from scrimmage. I'll find a decent guard to block for him.
Zombo
--Superstars win games and sell tickets ... guards block.
Zombo said:
Yes, apparently, and surprisingly, it is arguable.
It is easy for me though, because I followed their careers.
[b]Greatness is not mathematical, you can't just add up Pro Bowls and All Pros and measure guys from different positions and eras equally.
But here's some math: LaDanian Tomlinson scored 162 TDS.
In a 149 games with the Chargers, he scored 153 TDs ... more than a TD per game.
But here you just used mathematics to prove your point. You could likewise say "you can't just add up yards and TDs" ...but you did just that.
If you are the GM and they are re-holding the the 2001 draft, Do you take the guy that is going to average a touchdown a week for nine years, or are you going to take a really good guard who is a really good blocker and makes lots of All-Pro teams?
I'll take the touchdowns ... and the 18,500 yards from scrimmage. I'll find a decent guard to block for him.
Zombo
--Superstars win games and sell tickets ... guards block. [/b]
I think the Superstars sell tickets, but they equally win games. Ask Jim Brown....he readily admitted that he would have been nothing without the likes of Shafrath and Hickerson in front of him.
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Zombo said:
Yes, apparently, and surprisingly, it is arguable.
It is easy for me though, because I followed their careers.
[b]Greatness is not mathematical, you can't just add up Pro Bowls and All Pros and measure guys from different positions and eras equally.
But here's some math: LaDanian Tomlinson scored 162 TDS.
In a 149 games with the Chargers, he scored 153 TDs ... more than a TD per game.
But here you just used mathematics to prove your point. You could likewise say "you can't just add up yards and TDs" ...but you did just that.
If you are the GM and they are re-holding the the 2001 draft, Do you take the guy that is going to average a touchdown a week for nine years, or are you going to take a really good guard who is a really good blocker and makes lots of All-Pro teams?
I'll take the touchdowns ... and the 18,500 yards from scrimmage. I'll find a decent guard to block for him.
Zombo
--Superstars win games and sell tickets ... guards block. [/b]
I think the Superstars sell tickets, but they equally win games. Ask Jim Brown....he readily admitted that he would have been nothing without the likes of Shafrath and Hickerson in front of him.
I think the Superstars sell tickets, but they equally win games. Ask Jim Brown....he readily admitted that he would have been nothing without the likes of Shafrath and Hickerson in front of him.
There is not one GM in the world that would pass up Jim Brown for Gene Hickerson or LaDanian Tomlinson for Steve Hutchinson.
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.
Zombo
--and deep down, even Mom knows better.
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I think the Superstars sell tickets, but they equally win games. Ask Jim Brown....he readily admitted that he would have been nothing without the likes of Shafrath and Hickerson in front of him.
There is not one GM in the world that would pass up Jim Brown for Gene Hickerson or LaDanian Tomlinson for Steve Hutchinson.
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.
Zombo
--and deep down, even Mom knows better.
Zombo said:
There is not one GM in the world that would pass up Jim Brown for Gene Hickerson or LaDanian Tomlinson for Steve Hutchinson.
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.
Zombo
--and deep down, even Mom knows better.
On the whole I agree that you would not make that trade.
But in trying to define greatness I think this question can be asked, and perhaps answered:
Who was better at doing what his position called for...the running back or the offensive lineman?
Hutchinson HAS been selected more time for being the best at what he does than Tomlinson has.
Yes, it is a big apples and oranges question.
It is like Tourma who argues that because the '78 Steelers OL and DL weighed more than the OL and DL of the '48 Browns that that automatically makes them the better team.
(and I countered with: if that is the criteria then the 2011 Browns would blow away the '78 Steelers because they average 50 more pounds across the board.)
Apples and oranges: Which team dominated its competition more....which player dominated his competition more?
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I looked at this and as soon as I saw Peterson over Cam Newton then Ware over Rodgers and Jake Long over Chris Johnson i didn't even want to read anymore.
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Zombo said:
There is not one GM in the world that would pass up Jim Brown for Gene Hickerson or LaDanian Tomlinson for Steve Hutchinson.
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.
Zombo
--and deep down, even Mom knows better.
On the whole I agree that you would not make that trade.
But in trying to define greatness I think this question can be asked, and perhaps answered:
Who was better at doing what his position called for...the running back or the offensive lineman?
Hutchinson HAS been selected more time for being the best at what he does than Tomlinson has.
Yes, it is a big apples and oranges question.
It is like Tourma who argues that because the '78 Steelers OL and DL weighed more than the OL and DL of the '48 Browns that that automatically makes them the better team.
(and I countered with: if that is the criteria then the 2011 Browns would blow away the '78 Steelers because they average 50 more pounds across the board.)
Apples and oranges: Which team dominated its competition more....which player dominated his competition more?
....which player dominated his competition more?
Tomlinson!
Your competition is not the beauty contest at the end of the year that sends the same linemen to Honolulu every year, it is the games on Sunday which LT dominated.
Being the best of all the guards is nice, but the truly special players in the NFL are the Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's and the Jim Brown's, Marcus allen's and Ladanian Tomlinson's
The best guard in the league is not as valuble as the 5th best running back or the 10th best quarterback.
In 2006, Tomlinson scored 31 TDs .. the entire Browns roster that year scored 25 ... guards included.
LaDainian Tomlinson has scored the third most touchdowns in the entire history of the NFL:
Jerry Rice
Emmitt Smith
LaDainian Tomlinson
That's the list of all-time TD leaders since 1920. Touchdowns are kind of important in the grand sceme of things.
How about all-time leading rushers: Tomlinson is 5th.
Only two guys scored more touchdowns, only four guys ran for more yards ... there is no guard in the world that was a better football player.
Accumulating Pro bowls and All Pros as a guard is not the same thing as scoring more touchdowns than everybody else. It just isn't.
Apples and oranges my ass. The question is who was the best player in that draft, and the answer is LaDainian Tomilnson.
Zombo
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I think the Superstars sell tickets, but they equally win games. Ask Jim Brown....he readily admitted that he would have been nothing without the likes of Shafrath and Hickerson in front of him.
There is not one GM in the world that would pass up Jim Brown for Gene Hickerson or LaDanian Tomlinson for Steve Hutchinson.
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.
Zombo
--and deep down, even Mom knows better.
Interesting topic there Gip... I'll whip up my list later... but no way do I go back to '36...

One general thought... I think it's too soon to judge "greatest" for the past four to eight drafts.
Zombo said:
You and Steve Hutchinson's mom are the only people that think he was a greater player than Tomlinson.You forgot me...
Hutchinson and Munchek are two of the Greatest Guards to ever play the game. They were generational talents and were easily all-time, top fivers at their position..
Are Tomlinson and Allen both top five RB's on your list?
There is an argument to be had...
Zombo said:
Being the best of all the guards is nice, but the truly special players in the NFL are the Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's and the Jim Brown's, Marcus allen's and Ladanian Tomlinson's.The best guard in the league is not as valuble as the 5th best running back or the 10th best quarterback.
The question was "Greatest", not "most valuable".
Great is a reflection of skill and physical prowess at the position played.
Value is as you say production.
Right argument, but wrong topic there Z...
Here's a couple you did not seem to have a problem with, defying your own "logic"...
1966 Tom Mack C Rams #2 (over Jan Stenerud)
1968 Art Shell OT Raiders #80 (over Csonka)
1971 Dan Dierdorf OT Cards #43 (over Riggins)
1973 John Hannah OG Pats #4 (over Fouts)
1980 Anthony Munoz OT Bengals #3 (over Monk)
1994 Larry Allen OG Cowboys #46 (over Falk)
2008 Jake Long OT Dolphins #1 (over Chris Johnson)
Care to comment? Fouts over Hannah ought to be easy... How 'bout Monk over Munoz?
By your criteria you have to also make the case for Stenerud over Tom Mack...
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