What A ______ Draft?
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disappointing.
Not sure how some of you guys can even say this was a good draft. Very sad indeed. This team is continuing to go backwards.
I rather would have seen them draft all defensive guys. Wasted pick after wasted pick. Very hard to watch.
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SENSE OF URGENCY
Finally with Richardson and the move up to get him - best talent in the draft and then a 28 year old QB that will make us better NOW. Both players make us much better TODAY.
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As more reflection has lifted some of my "confusion", I need to change my answer...
What A Fearful Draft.
We were afraid Minnesota will risk missing out on a blue-chipper to let someone trade up from outside the top six, so we give them a couple picks.
We were afraid Weeden won't last the first round, so we pass on Rieff. This even though it is clear that had Wright been there at 22, he would have been the pick.
Then after taking a round off, we were sweating whether Hughes will fall to us after trading down 20 spots with Denver. Hughes? A guy with a 5th round grade? and we were worried...
I'm sure we were at least concerned about a couple more late rounders and UDFA's...
Fear is a terrible way to draft. It affects judgment.
That said...
toxic, it ain't the end of the world. We didn't do badly, we just could've done better.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
As more reflection has lifted some of my "confusion", I need to change my answer...
What A Fearful Draft.
We were afraid Minnesota will risk missing out on a blue-chipper to let someone trade up from outside the top six, so we give them a couple picks.
We were afraid Weeden won't last the first round, so we pass on Rieff. This even though it is clear that had Wright been there at 22, he would have been the pick.
Then after taking a round off, we were sweating whether Hughes will fall to us after trading down 20 spots with Denver. Hughes? A guy with a 5th round grade? and we were worried...
I'm sure we were at least concerned about a couple more late rounders and UDFA's...
Fear is a terrible way to draft. It affects judgment.
That said...
toxic, it ain't the end of the world. We didn't do badly, we just could've done better.
in your opinionAs more reflection has lifted some of my "confusion", I need to change my answer...
toxic, it ain't the end of the world. We didn't do badly, we just could've done better.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
Superb.
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They way I feel is that you feel good or bad about certain draft picks but to declare a draft good or bad right after it happened is the stupidest thing ever. There is no point and most the time in 3 years your proven wrong anyway.
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Ballsy.
We're going to make sure we get the best running back out there and we are going to hammer you behind the biggest, baddest, youngest offensive line in the division. And then we're going to throw our weak-armed QB in the recycle bin and draft a big 'ol country boy flame thrower, because the minute you move up in the box we're going over your head.
Then we're just going to collect big bodies and stack both lines.
Welcome to the AFC North, Cleveland, we've been waiting 13 years for you to show up.
Zombo
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Frustrating ... until the light came on.
After going through combine analysis on our picks, reading interviews, and watching highlights, as well as listen to the so called experts, I feel a lot better.
We got at least 3, but most likely 5 starters, not counting guys that are gonna play special teams.
The addition of the first 3 picks improve every aspect of the offense, yes, even three passing game. TRich will keep defenses honest, help in pass protection, and make the line better. Schwartz & eventually Miller, improve the right side of the line, especially the run game. Weeden isn't gonna be running for his life every play ... Benjamin, Little, Moore, Cribbs will have better time & opportunity to get open. (They still gotta catch it) ... I truly think the offense got much better.
I like Johnson & Acho. Johnson, in my opinion is a football player ... smart, instinctive, aggressive. I still think we missed filling a couple spots.
Hughes & Winn fill in depth positions. Gonna be an interesting season.
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Zombo - GREAT post!
Here's hoping our WWII vet can make it happen at QB. LOL
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"wasteful"
you wasted picks to move up and get richardson when he WOULD have been there anyway.
you wasted the 22nd pick to pick father time when he would have been there in the 2nd round anyway.
could've vastly improved your team, instead now you have a great RB in a league that is swinging so far away from the run game that it isn't funny and NO ONE else to support him. your oline stinks, your WR suck dong, you still have huge issues on D.
wasteful.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
We got three day 1 starters on offense possibly 4 with the receiver, even if he doesn't start he'll get playing time. How could anybody be mad with that? I'm fucking elated and some of your guys are bitching because we gave up a couple late round picks? You don't know that we could've gotten our guys if we stayed put. Tom Heckert said he knows for a fact there was competition for the #3 pick, And other teams were interested in Weeden, but you guys know it all. Then in the 3rd round we trade down and still get the guy we wanted while picking up a 4th round pick and taking possible the fastest receiver in the draft with it.
If our offense improve's this year as much as our defense improved last year, and there's a good possibility that it will, nobody's gonna care that Weeden will be 29 or that we missed out on some practice squad prospects by trading up for T-Rich.
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Telling... This front office made it clear that they are playing 'not to lose'.
You can't tell me that HHS (Homgren, Heckert and Shurmur) are about making the playoffs when they make no legit moves outside of TRich.
Weeden is going to get three years and then we will be drafting a Franchise QB like Gunner Kiel (if he even pans out in college)
Between the pick of John Hughes and missing out on a lot of big skillful WRs I am convinced that they are really just trying to play it safe (or stupid).
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They way I feel is that you feel good or bad about certain draft picks but to declare a draft good or bad right after it happened is the stupidest thing ever. There is no point and most the time in 3 years your proven wrong anyway.
They way I feel is that you feel good or bad about certain draft picks but to declare a draft good or bad right after it happened is the stupidest thing ever. There is no point and most the time in 3 years your proven wrong anyway.
Exactly, I don't get people that go off the deep end the day after the draft.
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Ballsy.
We're going to make sure we get the best running back out there and we are going to hammer you behind the biggest, baddest, youngest offensive line in the division. And then we're going to throw our weak-armed QB in the recycle bin and draft a big 'ol country boy flame thrower, because the minute you move up in the box we're going over your head.
Then we're just going to collect big bodies and stack both lines.
Welcome to the AFC North, Cleveland, we've been waiting 13 years for you to show up.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ballsy.
We're going to make sure we get the best running back out there and we are going to hammer you behind the biggest, baddest, youngest offensive line in the division. And then we're going to throw our weak-armed QB in the recycle bin and draft a big 'ol country boy flame thrower, because the minute you move up in the box we're going over your head.
Then we're just going to collect big bodies and stack both lines.
Welcome to the AFC North, Cleveland, we've been waiting 13 years for you to show up.
Zombo
Zombo...I FUCKING LOVE YOU.
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"wasteful"
you wasted picks to move up and get richardson when he WOULD have been there anyway.
you wasted the 22nd pick to pick father time when he would have been there in the 2nd round anyway.
could've vastly improved your team, instead now you have a great RB in a league that is swinging so far away from the run game that it isn't funny and NO ONE else to support him. your oline stinks, your WR suck dong, you still have huge issues on D.
wasteful.
"wasteful"
you wasted picks to move up and get richardson when he WOULD have been there anyway.
you wasted the 22nd pick to pick father time when he would have been there in the 2nd round anyway.
could've vastly improved your team, instead now you have a great RB in a league that is swinging so far away from the run game that it isn't funny and NO ONE else to support him. your oline stinks, your WR suck dong, you still have huge issues on D.
wasteful.
no matter how fucked i think the draft was you should be on here thanking us for that first pick you got. once again helping out every team in our division.
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"wasteful"
you wasted picks to move up and get richardson when he WOULD have been there anyway.
you wasted the 22nd pick to pick father time when he would have been there in the 2nd round anyway.
could've vastly improved your team, instead now you have a great RB in a league that is swinging so far away from the run game that it isn't funny and NO ONE else to support him. your oline stinks, your WR suck dong, you still have huge issues on D.
wasteful.
no matter how fucked i think the draft was you should be on here thanking us for that first pick you got. once again helping out every team in our division.
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and will rip your face off with my bare hands. quiff.
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Gafreleets, who the hell are you?
And, Chickenwang, drafting all defensive players would have been a travesty. Did you watch the Brown's offensive last year? An overhaul was needed, and the Brown's draft picks (especially in the first few rounds) emphasized that.
That being said, I would say "solid." We can all speculate about the success of any given person in the draft, but we selected a wide array of good players, several of which are bound to stick.
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This will be an easy to judge make or break draft.
Should have went WR second Round RT third round.
If Weeden,Schwartz or Hughes don't pan out - Heckert failed big time.
If our receivers look half as bad this season as they did in 2011 - Heckert failed. (but secured themselves another excuse)
If this investment into our defensive line does not help improve our run defense and overall production by leaps and bounds. - Heckert Failed.
I really like our late round picks, Benjamin,Miller and Jones I think were steals.
The Hughes pick though? Heckert is gonna look like a fool if he doesn't contribute.
Even if he does what is the ceiling on his contribution? Do they think this guy is the Magic Johnson of defensive lineman? Is he going to make all our D-Lineman that much better?
To go depth on the d-line so early when we have so many glaring holes is baffling.
Worst case scenario is we go through another year of horrible offense with piss poor passing game and Weeden doesn't look much better than Colt,Richardson doesn't look that much better than Hillis and teams still run on us with ease.
Best case scenario is T-Rich is a beast,our Offensive Line is elite,Weeden shows us his arm is as good as advertised and we finally see the field stretch,the defensive line improves with a better rotation.
Anyhow - excited as shit for the 2012 season can't wait to see the new and improved Browns.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer
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