Colt Mccoy To Be Traded
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and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
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and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
You are probably too young to remember, but the Cleveland Browns have been through this before: they had the big tal strong armed QB who could throw a pea through a hurricane ....and yet it was the weak armed short QB who turned out to be the better QB. Can you say Mike Phipps and Brian Sipe.
Point being...just because you think you know the way things are doens't mean that is the way they are.
I am fine with going with Brandon Weeden.....just DO NOT think that the ineptness of this offensive team last year was all on the QB.
Those who think that and now think that a strong armed QB is going to be the panacea might are fools. They might be right, but then it is 50/50 that they aren't right. Here is the list of first round QBs 2004-2010:
1 2009 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB DET 2009 2011 Georgia
2 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB NYJ 2009 2011 USC
3 2009 1 17 Josh Freeman QB TAM 2009 2011 Kansas St.
4 2008 1 3 Matt Ryan QB ATL 2008 2011 Boston Col.
5 2008 1 18 Joe Flacco QB BAL 2008 2011 Delaware
6 2007 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB OAK 2007 2009 LSU
7 2007 1 22 Brady Quinn QB CLE 2007 2011 Notre Dame
8 2006 1 3 Vince Young QB TEN 2006 2011 Texas
9 2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB ARI 2006 2011 USC
10 2006 1 11 Jay Cutler QB DEN 2006 2011 Vanderbilt
11 2005 1 1 Alex Smith QB SFO 2005 2011 Utah
12 2005 1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB GNB 2005 2011 California
13 2005 1 25 Jason Campbell QB WAS 2006 2011 Auburn
14 2004 1 1 Eli Manning QB SDG 2004 2011 Mississippi
15 2004 1 4 Philip Rivers QB NYG 2004 2011 North Carolina St.
16 2004 1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT 2004 2011
17 J.P. Losman QB BUF 2004 2011 Tulane
50/50
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and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
The point being? My point is, if Weeden were here last year through all that we went through as a team he would have fared no better than McCoy did. If you want the jist of it, trot Weeden out behind the same Oline, unlearn Pinkston to play at a rookie level, try to find a RT as bad as the one we had last year. You have to use Owen at FB. You've gotta convince the WR to drop the most passes in the league for a second straight year and Childress isn't allowed to help on offense. Then we'll see how good Weeden is compared to Colt. Just sayin. It's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools... Oh yeah, the weedster can't use Trent either. Like I was saying it's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools to be successful and proclaim him the prodigy while Colt had shit to work with and deem him a bust. Fair and equal is fair and equal. IMO.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
If the Browns trade McCoy it will be because they know that they have screwed him over royally and that they owe him the opportunity to be able to do something with a team that is capable of utilizing his skills....and it will be a recognition that their coaching staff is not competent enough to utilize his skills.
And by the way, there is no telling if they are competent enough to utilize BW's skills either.
Hopefully they will fucking wise up and get a good receiver and a good RT to go along with BW and TR...because without those elements the Browns offense will continue to be trying to row upstream without a paddle.
If the Browns trade McCoy it will be because they know that they have screwed him over royally and that they owe him the opportunity to be able to do something with a team that is capable of utilizing his skills....and it will be a recognition that their coaching staff is not competent enough to utilize his skills.
And by the way, there is no telling if they are competent enough to utilize BW's skills either.
Hopefully they will fucking wise up and get a good receiver and a good RT to go along with BW and TR...because without those elements the Browns offense will continue to be trying to row upstream without a paddle.
I agree completely Gipper...
Not only is there questions about this staff lacking the ability to build around the Weedeaters strengths but he still has complete shit for a WR corp, i would also point out that just like mccoy weedy is a shotgun QB and had blackmon as a primary target and now he has an incompetent HC and nothing but a couple TEs to throw the ball to......
This will be either an unexpected incredible year or a complete bust, verdict yet unknown but i know which way i am leaning...
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
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and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
The point being? My point is, if Weeden were here last year through all that we went through as a team he would have fared no better than McCoy did. If you want the jist of it, trot Weeden out behind the same Oline, unlearn Pinkston to play at a rookie level, try to find a RT as bad as the one we had last year. You have to use Owen at FB. You've gotta convince the WR to drop the most passes in the league for a second straight year and Childress isn't allowed to help on offense. Then we'll see how good Weeden is compared to Colt. Just sayin. It's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools... Oh yeah, the weedster can't use Trent either. Like I was saying it's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools to be successful and proclaim him the prodigy while Colt had shit to work with and deem him a bust. Fair and equal is fair and equal. IMO.
The point being? My point is, if Weeden were here last year through all that we went through as a team he would have fared no better than McCoy did. If you want the jist of it, trot Weeden out behind the same Oline, unlearn Pinkston to play at a rookie level, try to find a RT as bad as the one we had last year. You have to use Owen at FB. You've gotta convince the WR to drop the most passes in the league for a second straight year and Childress isn't allowed to help on offense. Then we'll see how good Weeden is compared to Colt. Just sayin. It's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools... Oh yeah, the weedster can't use Trent either. Like I was saying it's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools to be successful and proclaim him the prodigy while Colt had shit to work with and deem him a bust. Fair and equal is fair and equal. IMO.
Yes and no. Part of me wonders if our anemic play calling was due to Colt. I mean we rarely threw down field. It very well could be on our WR's, Colt or both. But one thing is for sure, the play calling has GOT to be a lot better this year, or it doesn't matter who we got in the draft. Give us RG3, Blackmon, Kalil, Richardson and with our pathetic play calling we had last year we would have been hard up to win even 6-7 games.
Last year was such a myriad of "Bad Things" it's really hard to place it on one thing. One thing is for sure our play calling has to get better. We can't drop 30+ passes again. We have to protect better. We need to stretch the field. Utilize our TE's more. and the list goes on and on and on and on...
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
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Colt's no longer going to be our starter, so what's the point in this argument?
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Honestly I think I would rather have Wallace as our backup then McCoy. All I keep thinking about is that game last season where Colt went down and they brought Seneca in to take over and he managed to move the ball downfield up to aobut the 10 yard line. Once he moved the ball 80 yards they pulled him out and put Colt back in. I think the first pass Colt threw was incomplete and the very next pass was an interception. It was then and there I decided I would rather see what Seneca can do for 3 or 4 games instead of Colt.
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U have no idea if weeden would better. It stands to reason that with better QB play, the O would be better. Upgrade any position and the same holds true.
Would wr's be able to catch the ball if it was on time and accurate, rather than a late throw 10 feet too high with a linebacker ready to lay a lick?
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
Nothing wrong with saying they made each other. that's how I feel anyway
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Fair question. Not sure there is a knowable answer at this point.
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
Note: Montana was winning Super Bowls before Rice arrived. Rice was winning SBs after Montana left.
I am pretty sure in saying that in that case, both players were great. They won with each other and without each other.
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Our WRs led the league in dropped passes. Between Colt's inconsistency and concussions and our WRs being slow and not catching the ball... we need serious help in one of those areas.
I was wondering if the Browns would be able to send McCoy to Houston or Dallas for a 5th, 6th or 7th Rd Pick... Thoughts?
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I thought for sure the Packers might do a trade for a 6th rounder. I wonder if we could do a osi umenyura for colt plus a late rounder.
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