Rank The Afc North Draft
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oh, ive never seen hyperbole before.
if you're gonna run into our house and demand us be reasonable when talking about you, then try being reasonable first.
you fucking illiterates dont come here to talk football, you come here to gloat.....seemingly about anything and everything you can....whether its based on fact or not. so, you can very kindly fuck off and and go dip it in your big sister again. keep that gene pool in pittsburgh clean.
i'd be more than happy to talk football with you guys, as i live in pittsburgh, work in pittsburgh, and am surrounded by pitttsburghers. you guys seem to be the young generation of fan that has no respect, no knowledge, and no history to remember...the idiots that call into talk radio to bitch about pedro last month, and turn around to call in to put him at #4 because he's been able to make contact with the ball over the last 3 weeks. you're as fair weather as they come....as you dont have any clue what real pittsburgh fans endured years ago. kinda like the pirates now....except the city and fans abandoned that team 15 years ago.
for a city that knows what it feels like to field a perennial loser in such a storied franchise in the pirates...afterall, much like the browns, a good portion of the pitt population has never seen a winning season, i figured i'd see more compassion rather than attitude.
so lets recap....completely fairweather fans that abandoned the bucs long ago. every year, the Nuttings spend the least amount possible and gladly rape the city and few fans for everything they can. good luck extending the record for most consective losing seasons....i'd say you should be proud, but you dont care.
oh the pens....one of the most talented teams in the NHL that can't seem to get past the first round of the playoffs. yeah, its nice to at least get there. its worse when you've got sydney crosby and the NHL scoring leader, yet can't get past the instate rival that owns you in the consol energy center, made you look foolish with the jagr deal, and embarrassed you time after time on the ice. remember what the pens looked like before shiro and crosby? nope....you dont, cause you didn't care. if not for a one mario lemeuiescsiurhjsoisx, you wouldn't even have a hockey team.
then the steelers....the one almost constant in the city. know why this city breathes football? cause you're other sports suck. it was the pirates well before football ever became big here.....ironically, right around the time the pathetic steelers franchise started compromising the health of its players to be relevant.
i'd love to have a real conversation with you guys....but considering that your relative intelligence compared with those i normally talk with is very sub-par, i see no reason to respond. perhaps if you could drop the facade of "the city of champions" and realize all you have is a good football team, stop condescending like your shit doesn't stink, and stop making shit up......maybe i'll respond in kind. otherwise, you just continue to perpetuate what everyone already think about you....you're a dying city with nothing but a fucking football team to cheer for.
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A- to the Ravens,
B+ to the Steelers and Ratbirds
B- to the Browns
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I don't know if I can grade their drafts, but I can grade them:
Bengals: S
Steelers: SA
Ravens: U.W.C.G.F.T
Browns: C
I don't know if I can grade their drafts, but I can grade them:
Bengals: S
Steelers: SA
Ravens: U.W.C.G.F.T
Browns: C
I will interpret:
S: Sucks
SA: Sucks Ass
U.W.C.G.F.T.: Usurpers Who Can Get Fucked Today
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Ok bro it is a team by team list of draft picks. Do as you will.
There isn't a realistic person on the planet that would grade the Browns higher than the Steelers. You could argue the Bengals but they also had more picks in the higher rounds. The Ravens had a solid draft but it wasn't all that great and the Browns certainly didn't have a poor draft by any stretch. I think every team in the division improved but the Steelers grabbed some SERIOUS steals, all the way through round 5. It's hard for me to get super excited because you don't know a damn thing until you see them on the NFL field but as of right now it may be the best Steeler draft since 74. The Browns did not have a stronger draft. Period.
Homotron said:
There isn't a realistic person on the planet that would grade the Browns higher than the Steelers. You could argue the Bengals but they also had more picks in the higher rounds. The Ravens had a solid draft but it wasn't all that great and the Browns certainly didn't have a poor draft by any stretch. I think every team in the division improved but the Steelers grabbed some SERIOUS steals, all the way through round 5. It's hard for me to get super excited because you don't know a damn thing until you see them on the NFL field but as of right now it may be the best Steeler draft since 74. The Browns did not have a stronger draft. Period.
That's right. Just your opinion. Only time will tell who had the better drafts.
If you think you got some steals, then apparently other must think you have reached.
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A- to the Ravens,
B+ to the Steelers and Ratbirds
B- to the Browns
A- to the Ravens,
B+ to the Steelers and Ratbirds
B- to the Browns
Arent the Ravens amd rat birds the same.
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Considering the dramatic impact on the team, the Browns get an A+++. The Bengals get a C-....
the stupid, ugly stinkin ratbirds get a C...
and the sterioders of the three rivers scum get a C.
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You don't think DeCastro and Adams will have a dramatic impact on the Steelers? Either way it's all beside the point as it's a matter of personal opinion. I haven't read or heard the Browns being mentioned as the teams that drafted the strongest. I have however seen the Steelers mentioned in that regard.
Homotron said:
You don't think DeCastro and Adams will have a dramatic impact on the Steelers? Either way it's all beside the point as it's a matter of personal opinion. I haven't read or heard the Browns being mentioned as the teams that drafted the strongest. I have however seen the Steelers mentioned in that regard.
The Steelers filled positions of need. The Browns filled positions of need.
The only thing I have heard is that the Steelers filled their needs.
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Homotron said:
Unless one team is of lesser quality across the board than the others. However the Steelers could have 5 contribute immediately. I expect Spence and Rainey to contribute on special teams. DeCastro will start and Adams should as well. I also expect Alameda to rotate in if his camp goes well but he may just go depth this season as he's still a bit raw despite his second round grade by most scouting agencies.
Well we drafted our starting rb,qb,rt,og
Johnson and acho will be special teams also
And added dl depth and a decent db to compete,
Also we added Smelley balls and he will be our starting fb by week 1. So we will have 5 rookies starting this yr. So how do you decide if we had a better draft or not.
Well we drafted our starting rb,qb,rt,og
Johnson and acho will be special teams also
And added dl depth and a decent db to compete,
Also we added Smelley balls and he will be our starting fb by week 1. So we will have 5 rookies starting this yr. So how do you decide if we had a better draft or not.
I understand what he is saying: That a team that has to have 5 rookies starting must be a crappy team. That would be a proper assessment where the Browns are concerned.
The part that he doesn't do is to do any self reflection: The Steelers too need about 5 of their rookies to start. So, that team, despite its record, had serious deficiencies.
Both team filled needs. How well remains to be seen.
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Steelroiders = F, worst draft in NFL history
Browns = A, best draft of the year
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collectively, the AFCN had by far, the best drafts. besides the adams pick, i thought the stools had a great draft. as per usual, taking guys with high upsides that need coaching up. i normally don ever make player predictions.....but something about adams strikes me as strange. he basically went crawling back to colbert, begging for a chance. he has his motivation to work hard now, but if he's as lazy as reported, we'll have a weak point on that line to attack.
maybe they'll play him at RT at first....let sheard embarrass him a bit.
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Well we drafted our starting rb,qb,rt,og
Johnson and acho will be special teams also
And added dl depth and a decent db to compete,
Also we added Smelley balls and he will be our starting fb by week 1. So we will have 5 rookies starting this yr. So how do you decide if we had a better draft or not.
I understand what he is saying: That a team that has to have 5 rookies starting must be a crappy team. That would be a proper assessment where the Browns are concerned.
The part that he doesn't do is to do any self reflection: The Steelers too need about 5 of their rookies to start. So, that team, despite its record, had serious deficiencies.
Both team filled needs. How well remains to be seen.
I understand what he is saying: That a team that has to have 5 rookies starting must be a crappy team. That would be a proper assessment where the Browns are concerned.
The part that he doesn't do is to do any self reflection: The Steelers too need about 5 of their rookies to start. So, that team, despite its record, had serious deficiencies.
Both team filled needs. How well remains to be seen.
As I said several time I didn't come out of hiding to sh.it on the Browns draft. I was simply reading and read the OP assessment and thought it was ridiculous so I commented. DeCastro will start and Adams may start. I want Adams to start because I think he's a tremendous talent that fell because of a "weed problem" the same problem Marvel Smith had when we drafted him and he was an anchor on the left side of our line for a long time. Do you fellas realize what Adams did TO get drafted by the Steelers? (For those calling the kid lazy and of substandard character)
He was mortified about lying about his failed drug test and told the Steelers he wanted a face to face. He drove to the Steeler facility for a face to face and Colbert and Tomlin told him he was off their draft board. He was then told that if he wanted back on the draft board he was going to have to meet certain criteria to get back on the board. He met all the criteria AND agreed to defer his signing bonus for 18 months. During those 18 months he'll receive drug tests to ensure he's clean. He went out of his way to be drafted by the team he wanted to go to most and showed some real character in the process. He's one one of 3 tackles in the draft capable of truly playing the left tackle position and there are a few prominent analysts that believe he could end up being the best tackle in the draft.
Sooo to get back to what I was saying above DeCastro starts immediately (We did cut Kemo after all) and Adams may start. Spence will play special teams and Alameda certainly won't start. I imagine Rainey will also roll special teams both ways AND be used in the same capacity of McCluster. The Steelers addressed needs BUT still drafted BPA as they always do. The Steelers have never hit a "rebuilding" point and have addressed all their supposed "problem areas" before they became problems.
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them. If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact. It's precisely why the Browns are routinely being ranked 4th for draft grades across the board. They made a great pick in Richardson and then sh.it the bed for the next 4 picks. They then had a bunch of solid picks AFTER Benjamin. They freaked out when they selected Weeden because they wanted a WR and the biggies were flying off the board. You can't like that Weeden will be in his early 30's when his first contract expires mileage or not. You then draft Schwartz over Glenn AND Martin and continue to ignore wr. Hughes was also a terrible pick and Benjamin was a "Oh we need a WR pick" when it was too late. I loved the Acho/Winn and Wade selections and Winn was labeled as a steal of a deal by a lot of outlets.
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I understand what he is saying: That a team that has to have 5 rookies starting must be a crappy team. That would be a proper assessment where the Browns are concerned.
The part that he doesn't do is to do any self reflection: The Steelers too need about 5 of their rookies to start. So, that team, despite its record, had serious deficiencies.
Both team filled needs. How well remains to be seen.
As I said several time I didn't come out of hiding to sh.it on the Browns draft. I was simply reading and read the OP assessment and thought it was ridiculous so I commented. DeCastro will start and Adams may start. I want Adams to start because I think he's a tremendous talent that fell because of a "weed problem" the same problem Marvel Smith had when we drafted him and he was an anchor on the left side of our line for a long time. Do you fellas realize what Adams did TO get drafted by the Steelers? (For those calling the kid lazy and of substandard character)
He was mortified about lying about his failed drug test and told the Steelers he wanted a face to face. He drove to the Steeler facility for a face to face and Colbert and Tomlin told him he was off their draft board. He was then told that if he wanted back on the draft board he was going to have to meet certain criteria to get back on the board. He met all the criteria AND agreed to defer his signing bonus for 18 months. During those 18 months he'll receive drug tests to ensure he's clean. He went out of his way to be drafted by the team he wanted to go to most and showed some real character in the process. He's one one of 3 tackles in the draft capable of truly playing the left tackle position and there are a few prominent analysts that believe he could end up being the best tackle in the draft.
Sooo to get back to what I was saying above DeCastro starts immediately (We did cut Kemo after all) and Adams may start. Spence will play special teams and Alameda certainly won't start. I imagine Rainey will also roll special teams both ways AND be used in the same capacity of McCluster. The Steelers addressed needs BUT still drafted BPA as they always do. The Steelers have never hit a "rebuilding" point and have addressed all their supposed "problem areas" before they became problems.
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them. If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact. It's precisely why the Browns are routinely being ranked 4th for draft grades across the board. They made a great pick in Richardson and then sh.it the bed for the next 4 picks. They then had a bunch of solid picks AFTER Benjamin. They freaked out when they selected Weeden because they wanted a WR and the biggies were flying off the board. You can't like that Weeden will be in his early 30's when his first contract expires mileage or not. You then draft Schwartz over Glenn AND Martin and continue to ignore wr. Hughes was also a terrible pick and Benjamin was a "Oh we need a WR pick" when it was too late. I loved the Acho/Winn and Wade selections and Winn was labeled as a steal of a deal by a lot of outlets.
Homotron said:
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them. If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact.
yeah, ya woulda thought so.
everyone bitched about our receiving corp and how bad they were and it was a top need in the draft and we walk away with who??? and we let a franchise OL slip to our arch nemesis and draft kelly fuckin holcomb?
GTFO.
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Homotron said:
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them. If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact.
yeah, ya woulda thought so.
everyone bitched about our receiving corp and how bad they were and it was a top need in the draft and we walk away with who??? and we let a franchise OL slip to our arch nemesis and draft kelly fuckin holcomb?
GTFO.
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I understand what he is saying: That a team that has to have 5 rookies starting must be a crappy team. That would be a proper assessment where the Browns are concerned.
The part that he doesn't do is to do any self reflection: The Steelers too need about 5 of their rookies to start. So, that team, despite its record, had serious deficiencies.
Both team filled needs. How well remains to be seen.
As I said several time I didn't come out of hiding to sh.it on the Browns draft. I was simply reading and read the OP assessment and thought it was ridiculous so I commented. DeCastro will start and Adams may start. I want Adams to start because I think he's a tremendous talent that fell because of a "weed problem" the same problem Marvel Smith had when we drafted him and he was an anchor on the left side of our line for a long time. Do you fellas realize what Adams did TO get drafted by the Steelers? (For those calling the kid lazy and of substandard character)
He was mortified about lying about his failed drug test and told the Steelers he wanted a face to face. He drove to the Steeler facility for a face to face and Colbert and Tomlin told him he was off their draft board. He was then told that if he wanted back on the draft board he was going to have to meet certain criteria to get back on the board. He met all the criteria AND agreed to defer his signing bonus for 18 months. During those 18 months he'll receive drug tests to ensure he's clean. He went out of his way to be drafted by the team he wanted to go to most and showed some real character in the process. He's one one of 3 tackles in the draft capable of truly playing the left tackle position and there are a few prominent analysts that believe he could end up being the best tackle in the draft.
Sooo to get back to what I was saying above DeCastro starts immediately (We did cut Kemo after all) and Adams may start. Spence will play special teams and Alameda certainly won't start. I imagine Rainey will also roll special teams both ways AND be used in the same capacity of McCluster. The Steelers addressed needs BUT still drafted BPA as they always do. The Steelers have never hit a "rebuilding" point and have addressed all their supposed "problem areas" before they became problems.
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them. If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact. It's precisely why the Browns are routinely being ranked 4th for draft grades across the board. They made a great pick in Richardson and then sh.it the bed for the next 4 picks. They then had a bunch of solid picks AFTER Benjamin. They freaked out when they selected Weeden because they wanted a WR and the biggies were flying off the board. You can't like that Weeden will be in his early 30's when his first contract expires mileage or not. You then draft Schwartz over Glenn AND Martin and continue to ignore wr. Hughes was also a terrible pick and Benjamin was a "Oh we need a WR pick" when it was too late. I loved the Acho/Winn and Wade selections and Winn was labeled as a steal of a deal by a lot of outlets.
Homotron said:
As I said several time I didn't come out of hiding to sh.it on the Browns draft. I was simply reading and read the OP assessment and thought it was ridiculous so I commented. DeCastro will start and Adams may start. I want Adams to start because I think he's a tremendous talent that fell because of a "weed problem" the same problem Marvel Smith had when we drafted him and he was an anchor on the left side of our line for a long time. Do you fellas realize what Adams did TO get drafted by the Steelers? (For those calling the kid lazy and of substandard character)
He was mortified about lying about his failed drug test and told the Steelers he wanted a face to face. He drove to the Steeler facility for a face to face and Colbert and Tomlin told him he was off their draft board. He was then told that if he wanted back on the draft board he was going to have to meet certain criteria to get back on the board. He met all the criteria AND agreed to defer his signing bonus for 18 months. During those 18 months he'll receive drug tests to ensure he's clean. He went out of his way to be drafted by the team he wanted to go to most and showed some real character in the process. He's one one of 3 tackles in the draft capable of truly playing the left tackle position and there are a few prominent analysts that believe he could end up being the best tackle in the draft.
Sooo to get back to what I was saying above DeCastro starts immediately (We did cut Kemo after all) and Adams may start. Spence will play special teams and Alameda certainly won't start. I imagine Rainey will also roll special teams both ways AND be used in the same capacity of McCluster. The Steelers addressed needs BUT still drafted BPA as they always do. The Steelers have never hit a "rebuilding" point and have addressed all their supposed "problem areas" before they became problems.
The Browns definitely had a few head scratch worthy picks and not addressing the wide receiver position earlier was one of them.
The Browns had big, big holes to fill in a lot of places. With their picks they got the best RB in the draft, the best pure RT in the draft. They got a QB everyone said they needed.
If the WR spot was the ONLY thing they needed, they would have addressed it.
What they did do with that spot is to address the very thing that was wrong with it for them: lack of speed. And Though this Benjamin may not have graded out as the very best WR in the draft....he was the fastest WR in the draft. (or among the top 2 perhaps). And that is they the DID need: speed. They didn't have anyone to go long for 30-40 yard and run under a throw. Now they do.
So, I guess I am saying is that you are wrong: they addressed when they could and in the fashion that was most appropriate for them to do so.
If your team has 13 draft picks the draft should have more of an impact. It's precisely why the Browns are routinely being ranked 4th for draft grades across the board. They made a great pick in Richardson and then sh.it the bed for the next 4 picks. They then had a bunch of solid picks AFTER Benjamin. They freaked out when they selected Weeden because they wanted a WR and the biggies were flying off the board. You can't like that Weeden will be in his early 30's when his first contract expires mileage or not. You then draft Schwartz over Glenn AND Martin and continue to ignore wr.
If the Browns needed a LT, or if OG was their priority, then those two might have been considered. They have the best LT in the league. They needed a RT. Schwartz was better at that position.
If you are going to comment, do it from a position of knowledge...not from lack of it.
Hughes was also a terrible pick
How the fuck do you know? For all you and I know he may make the Hall of Fame one day.
The Browns needed a run stopper. All indications are this guy was one of the best run stoppers in the draft.
Again, you have no freeking clue of what the Browns needed. And as between Heckert's capabilities of evaluating talent and yours, I will take Heckert's, because He knows jack and you know shit.
and Benjamin was a "Oh we need a WR pick" when it was too late.
Where was Mike Wallace picked? Like 4th round, right? This guy is faster than Wallace. They picked the best they thought they could. They needed speed. You need speed to get your brain moving, because right now its not.
I loved the Acho/Winn and Wade selections and Winn was labeled as a steal of a deal by a lot of outlets.
Let's hope so.
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@josephsuxdick said:
A foolish and immature rant. I assure you, chum, I'm no bandwagon come-lately type. I've probably been watching a lot longer than you have, son.
Pittsburgh is a football town "because the other teams suck"? Uh tell that to the Pens who won it all a few short years ago. No, Pittsburgh is, and always has been a football town because it IS football. The pro game was first played in Western PA. just for starters. And quite the opposite -- Pittsburgh fans were all into the Steelers for the decades when they totally sucked, before the '70s. I know, because my own relatives held tickets. No championships, just lots of stories of Bullet Bill and Ernie. Sorry, your wishful little theory won't wash.
Stereotyping sucks -- like you.
But, then their interest waned in the 80s when you didn't have a winner...and they had crowds of 35-40K.
Peetown is as big a hockey town as Cleveland is a basketballtown: when they have a winner, great. When they don't...so-so.
(I agree that Pitt seems like a football town...though I do wonder how they would do if they had years of extended losing)
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I'm a bit of a draft nerd and my primary Steeler board is VERY, VERY mock draft heavy leading in to the draft. We also have a few scouts so I read up plenty on a TON of prospects especially those the Steelers may be interested so it's not like I'm pulling stuff from my ass. Schwartz may be the best "Pure RT" in the draft but that's like saying he's the second cutest bridesmaid. A left tackle is going to be able to play right tackle and passing on Glenn and Martin was a mistake by the Browns if they wanted to go o-line. Glenn CAN play RT and Martin certainly can as well and both were players with first or second round grades that fell. Either way Schwartz isn't a bum he just wasn't a great pick ESPECIALLY when they Browns need a WR and there were plenty on the board when he was selected. John Hughes was mocked in SEVERAL prominent mock drafts in the 7th round. I saw him on at least 10 occasions ranked in the 250 or worse range and he was drafted in what the 3rd round? Benjamin was also taken higher than he should have been and Mike Wallace is arguably one of the fastest players in the NFL. I guess Benjamin is immediately Mike Wallace. Nevermind the highest I saw him ranked on the various pre-draft big boards was in the 170's. Wallace was also a 3rd round selection.
AND my opinion is based on a lot of reading leading up to the draft. I haven't watched tape on all these guys but from what I've read the Browns reached on everything from round 1 with Weeden all the way through Benjamin. It's also why the Browns draft is getting C's across the board. If not for Richardson and some late round gems like Winn it would be a pretty poor draft considering the Browns had 13! draft picks with two in the first round. You should have had a Bengal type draft and the Browns floundered.
Chew on this one a bit as well.
McCoy, Julio Jones and Richardon OR Weeden, Little, Richardson. The Browns reached for Weeden when they needed a receiver. Holmgren didn't expect the Titans to draft Jeffery and when they did you got Weeden. Who will be 33 when his first contract expires.
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@josephsuxdick said:
A foolish and immature rant. I assure you, chum, I'm no bandwagon come-lately type. I've probably been watching a lot longer than you have, son.
Pittsburgh is a football town "because the other teams suck"? Uh tell that to the Pens who won it all a few short years ago. No, Pittsburgh is, and always has been a football town because it IS football. The pro game was first played in Western PA. just for starters. And quite the opposite -- Pittsburgh fans were all into the Steelers for the decades when they totally sucked, before the '70s. I know, because my own relatives held tickets. No championships, just lots of stories of Bullet Bill and Ernie. Sorry, your wishful little theory won't wash.
Stereotyping sucks -- like you.
But, then their interest waned in the 80s when you didn't have a winner...and they had crowds of 35-40K.
Peetown is as big a hockey town as Cleveland is a basketballtown: when they have a winner, great. When they don't...so-so.
(I agree that Pitt seems like a football town...though I do wonder how they would do if they had years of extended losing)
But, then their interest waned in the 80s when you didn't have a winner...and they had crowds of 35-40K.
Peetown is as big a hockey town as Cleveland is a basketballtown: when they have a winner, great. When they don't...so-so.
(I agree that Pitt seems like a football town...though I do wonder how they would do if they had years of extended losing)
When should we expect the losing to begin? The Steelers have drafted in ridiculous fashion since Colbert was in the front office and they groom starters behind current starters. It's a formula that works for good reason.
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@josephsuxdick said:
As debated ad nauseum some years ago here, the Steelers actually filled a greater percentage of stadium seats during their down '80s years than Cleveland did their stadium during the glory Kosar era. Something to chew on...
Liar, Liar, fucking pants on fire. Three Rivers stadium capacity: 59K. when they had 40K it was filled to about two thirds (67%)
Cleveland Muni Stadium: capacity: 78,000. I would venture there was hardly ever a game that did not have at least 75,000 in attendance.
I HAVE done the research. I HAVE documented it.
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I'm a bit of a draft nerd and my primary Steeler board is VERY, VERY mock draft heavy leading in to the draft. We also have a few scouts so I read up plenty on a TON of prospects especially those the Steelers may be interested so it's not like I'm pulling stuff from my ass. Schwartz may be the best "Pure RT" in the draft but that's like saying he's the second cutest bridesmaid. A left tackle is going to be able to play right tackle and passing on Glenn and Martin was a mistake by the Browns if they wanted to go o-line. Glenn CAN play RT and Martin certainly can as well and both were players with first or second round grades that fell. Either way Schwartz isn't a bum he just wasn't a great pick ESPECIALLY when they Browns need a WR and there were plenty on the board when he was selected. John Hughes was mocked in SEVERAL prominent mock drafts in the 7th round. I saw him on at least 10 occasions ranked in the 250 or worse range and he was drafted in what the 3rd round? Benjamin was also taken higher than he should have been and Mike Wallace is arguably one of the fastest players in the NFL. I guess Benjamin is immediately Mike Wallace. Nevermind the highest I saw him ranked on the various pre-draft big boards was in the 170's. Wallace was also a 3rd round selection.
AND my opinion is based on a lot of reading leading up to the draft. I haven't watched tape on all these guys but from what I've read the Browns reached on everything from round 1 with Weeden all the way through Benjamin. It's also why the Browns draft is getting C's across the board. If not for Richardson and some late round gems like Winn it would be a pretty poor draft considering the Browns had 13! draft picks with two in the first round. You should have had a Bengal type draft and the Browns floundered.
Chew on this one a bit as well.
McCoy, Julio Jones and Richardon OR Weeden, Little, Richardson. The Browns reached for Weeden when they needed a receiver. Holmgren didn't expect the Titans to draft Jeffery and when they did you got Weeden. Who will be 33 when his first contract expires.
Homotron said:
I'm a bit of a draft nerd and my primary Steeler board is VERY, VERY mock draft heavy leading in to the draft. We also have a few scouts so I read up plenty on a TON of prospects especially those the Steelers may be interested so it's not like I'm pulling stuff from my ass. Schwartz may be the best "Pure RT" in the draft but that's like saying he's the second cutest bridesmaid. A left tackle is going to be able to play right tackle and passing on Glenn and Martin was a mistake by the Browns if they wanted to go o-line. Glenn CAN play RT and Martin certainly can as well and both were players with first or second round grades that fell. Either way Schwartz isn't a bum he just wasn't a great pick ESPECIALLY when they Browns need a WR and there were plenty on the board when he was selected. John Hughes was mocked in SEVERAL prominent mock drafts in the 7th round. I saw him on at least 10 occasions ranked in the 250 or worse range and he was drafted in what the 3rd round? Benjamin was also taken higher than he should have been and Mike Wallace is arguably one of the fastest players in the NFL. I guess Benjamin is immediately Mike Wallace. Nevermind the highest I saw him ranked on the various pre-draft big boards was in the 170's. Wallace was also a 3rd round selection.
No problem with the Schwartz pick. I was thinking J. Martin in the weeks leading up to the draft- and I comfortable finding more out about Schwartz that he can be every bit as good if not better. Benjamin is knocked as a speed track guy that plays football- I actually see some decent hands in some of the tape that I saw. At the very least he is a great special teamer- what more can you ask for in the 4th round. I know WR is not fixed, (or was it???Richardson, Weeden) but it wasn't our only need. Having said that, I would have much rather drafted TY Hilton over Benjamin instead of Hughes and used the 1st 4th round pick on a Corner. FYI T. Rich is a draft. I can't wait to actually see a superstar playmaker in a Browns uniform. I'm proud that the Browns FO didn't giving into the this is not a RB League- true...if you don't have an elite back.
AND my opinion is based on a lot of reading leading up to the draft. I haven't watched tape on all these guys but from what I've read the Browns reached on everything from round 1 with Weeden all the way through Benjamin. It's also why the Browns draft is getting C's across the board. If not for Richardson and some late round gems like Winn it would be a pretty poor draft considering the Browns had 13! draft picks with two in the first round. You should have had a Bengal type draft and the Browns floundered.
Chew on this one a bit as well.
McCoy, Julio Jones and Richardon OR Weeden, Little, Richardson. The Browns reached for Weeden when they needed a receiver. Holmgren didn't expect the Titans to draft Jeffery and when they did you got Weeden. Who will be 33 when his first contract expires.
That's too easy to use that comparison- we also have a young promising DT and a starting fullback (not sold on him though). I'll take Jones over Little, but I'd probably think twice about it if you consider Little and Taylor or Jones. Here's what I'm looking at with Weeden...If he can elude pressure as well as McCoy this pick Weeden at #22 is fine by me. McCoy was very good at feeling pressure and making plays (although they weren't big plays) but I think he also put himself in that position quite a bit by not processing defensive schemes quickly enough. There are people on here that are really down on last years oline- go back and watch last years sacks- I would put 80% of them on Colt. That's not to say he wouldn't get better at it. All else considered- Weeden's arm is legit the dumb INTs worry me.
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I'm a bit of a draft nerd and my primary Steeler board is VERY, VERY mock draft heavy leading in to the draft. We also have a few scouts so I read up plenty on a TON of prospects especially those the Steelers may be interested so it's not like I'm pulling stuff from my ass. Schwartz may be the best "Pure RT" in the draft but that's like saying he's the second cutest bridesmaid. A left tackle is going to be able to play right tackle and passing on Glenn and Martin was a mistake by the Browns if they wanted to go o-line. Glenn CAN play RT and Martin certainly can as well and both were players with first or second round grades that fell. Either way Schwartz isn't a bum he just wasn't a great pick ESPECIALLY when they Browns need a WR and there were plenty on the board when he was selected. John Hughes was mocked in SEVERAL prominent mock drafts in the 7th round. I saw him on at least 10 occasions ranked in the 250 or worse range and he was drafted in what the 3rd round? Benjamin was also taken higher than he should have been and Mike Wallace is arguably one of the fastest players in the NFL. I guess Benjamin is immediately Mike Wallace. Nevermind the highest I saw him ranked on the various pre-draft big boards was in the 170's. Wallace was also a 3rd round selection.
AND my opinion is based on a lot of reading leading up to the draft. I haven't watched tape on all these guys but from what I've read the Browns reached on everything from round 1 with Weeden all the way through Benjamin. It's also why the Browns draft is getting C's across the board. If not for Richardson and some late round gems like Winn it would be a pretty poor draft considering the Browns had 13! draft picks with two in the first round. You should have had a Bengal type draft and the Browns floundered.
Chew on this one a bit as well.
McCoy, Julio Jones and Richardon OR Weeden, Little, Richardson. The Browns reached for Weeden when they needed a receiver. Holmgren didn't expect the Titans to draft Jeffery and when they did you got Weeden. Who will be 33 when his first contract expires.
Homotron said:
I'm a bit of a draft nerd and my primary Steeler board is VERY, VERY mock draft heavy leading in to the draft. We also have a few scouts so I read up plenty on a TON of prospects especially those the Steelers may be interested so it's not like I'm pulling stuff from my ass. Schwartz may be the best "Pure RT" in the draft but that's like saying he's the second cutest bridesmaid. A left tackle is going to be able to play right tackle and passing on Glenn and Martin was a mistake by the Browns if they wanted to go o-line.
Bullshit. You want to put a square peg into a round hole.
Glenn CAN play RT
I CAN play the flute....even though I have never picked one up in my life. And that is what you ar doing: playing the flute. The violin would perhaps be more apt.
Your analogy would be like saying: Josh Cribbs CAN play QB. Why don't we put him in there full time.
and Martin certainly can as well and both were players with first or second round grades that fell. Either way Schwartz isn't a bum he just wasn't a great pick ESPECIALLY when they Browns need a WR and there were plenty on the board when he was selected. John Hughes was mocked in SEVERAL prominent mock drafts in the 7th round.
And Jamarcus Russell was the #1 best player available his year, and Tom Brady was maybe only a 6th 7th round QB.
At this point, who gives a shit where they were drafted. It is whether or not they can play.
I saw him on at least 10 occasions ranked in the 250 or worse range and he was drafted in what the 3rd round? Benjamin was also taken higher than he should have been and Mike Wallace is arguably one of the fastest players in the NFL. I guess Benjamin is immediately Mike Wallace. Nevermind the highest I saw him ranked on the various pre-draft big boards was in the 170's. Wallace was also a 3rd round selection.
And maybe Wallace was only considered a 6th-7th round value when he was drafted. Who knows, I don't follow that shit that close.
Maybe Benjamin is the second coming of Bob Hayes HOF taken in late round. Or Ray Berry #232 overall.
What he is is fast. The Browns needed fast. They got the fastest there was. They got what they aimed for an what they needed. Who gives a shit what your nerdy draft mocks said.
AND my opinion is based on a lot of reading leading up to the draft. I haven't watched tape on all these guys but from what I've read the Browns reached on everything from round 1 with Weeden all the way through Benjamin. It's also why the Browns draft is getting C's across the board. If not for Richardson and some late round gems like Winn it would be a pretty poor draft considering the Browns had 13! draft picks with two in the first round. You should have had a Bengal type draft and the Browns floundered.
Chew on this one a bit as well.
Chew on this: It don't fuking matter. It is how well they perform on the field that matters. The Browns got tough, fast, talented players. No one will be asking Benjamin's draft position when he is flying by your old, worn out DBs.
McCoy, Julio Jones and Richardon OR Weeden, Little, Richardson. The Browns reached for Weeden when they needed a receiver. Holmgren didn't expect the Titans to draft Jeffery and when they did you got Weeden. Who will be 33 when his first contract expires.
And who gives a shit about his age? In case you hadn't noticed, it would be a minor miracle for a Browns QB to go 4-5 years. I hope we get 4-5 years out of this guys contract and that the Browns will be wanting to keep him...as a 33 year old QB. That means he will be doing something that hasn/t been done since BK (or at least Tim Couch)...lasted more than a year and a half as the Browns starting QB.
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But, then their interest waned in the 80s when you didn't have a winner...and they had crowds of 35-40K.
Peetown is as big a hockey town as Cleveland is a basketballtown: when they have a winner, great. When they don't...so-so.
(I agree that Pitt seems like a football town...though I do wonder how they would do if they had years of extended losing)
When should we expect the losing to begin? The Steelers have drafted in ridiculous fashion since Colbert was in the front office and they groom starters behind current starters. It's a formula that works for good reason.
Homotron said:
When should we expect the losing to begin? The Steelers have drafted in ridiculous fashion since Colbert was in the front office and they groom starters behind current starters. It's a formula that works for good reason.
Yes, the point is noted. The Steelers have done well drafting. (When did this "Colbert" start for yinz?)
In case you haven't been paying attention (and it seems that your attention span is selective), we have all been bitching here for years about the poor talent evaluation capabilities of the guys running the Browns...from Dwight Clark to Butch Davis to Phil Savage to Kokinis to Mangini etc.
The point is: when the losing does start, the rats will scatter. I doubt that we will see or hear from you.
Though based on what I hear you (and others) saying....the age of the Bengal Tiger may be upon us.
You are touting the Bengals draft...as have others...and prior drafts...and the way they have gone about their business under the new CBA.
Has the Bengal hegemony begun?
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